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[Silfren]

casadechrisso wrote...

Silfren wrote...

So, please, I'm seriously asking here--have you actually seen any non-personal criticisms of Hepler get shut down?  

Even though you probably don't ask me, but: No.

I've complained a lot. I hated DA2 when it came out, I hated the Demo, I complained about multiple aspects of it, participated in threads filled with complaints ranging from "poorly written" to "this game sucks horribly". Complained about Origin etc. etc. Those threads existed, those threads remained open as long as they were civil. Threads getting personal, like the "Mike Laidlaw should be fired" ones were closed. That's it. Stay civil, don't attack people personally, don't namecall, and you can complain as long as you wish. My personal experience.

And that this thread isn't the place to complain about the writing of Ms. Hepler should be obvious. This is a thread showing support for her, personal support regarding the bullying, and her writing and opinions should be discussed in other threads. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that.

I do.  Maybe I'm a little too cynical, but I think it boils down to the fact that the peopel who insist on coming here and going all "Sure the bullying was wrong, BUT...!" clearly believe that the attacks on Hepler are nowhere near as important as everything Bioware supposedly did wrong.

[Kira_Sadi]

You guys are awesome!  I love what you guys do and seeing you support one of your employees makes me like you guys more then I already did. Keep on Turking bioware!

[seraphymon]

Silfren wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Of course bullying is wrong. But the reasons that inspired the bullying were real and genuine concerns.

The only thing that inspired the bullying were those people's inclination to be cruel and to have no respect for another person's right to privacy...and the right to be free from abusive behavior.  No, really, it's true: the miscreants responsible didn't do this because of "real and genuine concerns," but because they wanted to be assh*les and decided that Hepler would be a good target.

Were it otherwise, then this thread would not exist because Bioware's detractors actually would have restricted their remarks to constructive criticism.

That is just simply not true. People didnt have to act that way, but again its expected. but this goes for anything, They didnt just bully and threaten just out of a whim, but because of what she said, but in retrospec she probably could have said anything, but as long as its public, people like them will always use anything as ammunition. If you were completely silent, then being attacked is a different story, since there is no reason why, and much less of a reason for being justified. Her being attacked  because of her idea, wasnt justified, but that is the reason why? It only became worse when she started fighting back. thats all.

[Rorschachinstein]

seraphymon wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Of course bullying is wrong. But the reasons that inspired the bullying were real and genuine concerns.

The only thing that inspired the bullying were those people's inclination to be cruel and to have no respect for another person's right to privacy...and the right to be free from abusive behavior.  No, really, it's true: the miscreants responsible didn't do this because of "real and genuine concerns," but because they wanted to be assh*les and decided that Hepler would be a good target.

Were it otherwise, then this thread would not exist because Bioware's detractors actually would have restricted their remarks to constructive criticism.

That is just simply not true. People didnt have to act that way, but again its expected. but this goes for anything, They didnt just bully and threaten just out of a whim, but because of what she said, but in retrospec she probably could have said anything, but as long as its public, people like them will always use anything as ammunition. If you were completely silent, then being attacked is a different story, since there is no reason why, and much less of a reason for being justified. Her being attacked  because of her idea, wasnt justified, but that is the reason why? It only became worse when she started fighting back. thats all.

Didn't she make that comment to personal friend? Is that really considered calling out the internet

[Please don't misrepresent my action or lack of action in your post]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 28 février 2012 - 08:49 .

[Aren19]

Bullying needs to stop. I hope Ms. Hepler's doing better

[Megaton_Hope]

For th' record, the reason I decided to respond to this thread about Hepler's interview rather than another thread, is because every thread I've seen on the issue in whatever sense has been locked or deleted, and it seemed unlikely to happen here. Though I note that my reproduction of the text and link to the source material wound up redacted.

I think that the company's supportive response is generally the right idea, the Redditor who went out of their way to put Hepler in a bad light (especially regarding fraudulent Mass Effect development quotes) and the people who followed their lead should be ashamed of themselves, and the whole thing's become too ridiculously polarized, as seems to happen on the internet and when talking about games.

I still think that support for Hepler is swamping legitimate and potentially important criticism of her public remarks, some of which people are only reading now because of the way this thing has dragged on.

[Johanna]

I've only now learned that Jennifer Hepler wrote the Dwarven Commoner origin, which is very dear to me. Thank you for bringing her to the team, BioWare. Haters can hop in a lava pit.

Modifié par pants witch, 28 février 2012 - 03:46 .

[AydinPaladin]

[off-topic comments removed]

I agree that many of the things people said to her were absolutely awful and cruel, but her was response was the definition of unprofessional. She should have deleted the account instead of responding over and over and over.

I know I am one of very few women here who feel this way and as such I want to voice my opinion as a devil's advocate. Saying people who are critical of your work because you are female and they are jealous is incredibly petty, not to mention sexist. It implies that all women love her work or that she speaks fr the female gender. This is clearly not the case.
Unfortunately, it seems my opinion is likely to be hidden. The fact that mods are hiding posts that are in any way critical of Hepler just makes it worse. It's a very bad PR move, I can tell you as a PR professional myself.

[Off-topic comments removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 28 février 2012 - 08:51 .

[seraphymon]

Rorschachinstein wrote...
Didn't she make that comment to personal friend? Is that really considered calling out the internet

I am not sure if it was or wasnt. but clearly it was so private. So many people can view that statement in different ways and to who it really pertained to. Some can see the use of the word as 'they' can be a very broad audience,  and could have potentially insulted alot of people.

[Stanley Woo]

Aydin Paladin wrote...
*snip*

The fact that you come into the thread so late and say what you say indicates that you have not read the many Moderator posts here defining what is and is not acceptable discussion for this thread. This point, however, is negated by my third point, below.

The fact that you parrot opinions that have been refuted, and are demonstrably false, indicates that you don't enjoy following rules.

The fact that you also make such a post knowing or suspecting it's going to get locked indicates that you wish to start trouble, but though you believe your post will be redacted or removed simply because it's critical of Jennifer and/or her opinions, it is in fact redacted because such discussion is not appropriate for this thread, as I and others have said several times now. Such discussion is already being held in one of the DA2 Registered User General Discussion forums, in a thread entitled http://social.biowar.../index/9388250] Hepler's Work in Dragon Age[/url].

Please don't use this thread as your soapbox again. Your opinions and ideas can be discussed elsewhere in our community. THank you.

[GroverA 125]

For gods sake, why is it that we always seem to be doing well as a community, then a bunch of unloved idiots come along and start ruining everything? Why can we not go five minutes without some complete dung-for-brains from coming along and ruining everything we work for? This is starting to get out of hand now, somebody needs to do something, or frankly, I fear that this issue will only get worse in the coming months. Haven't you got any way to track this down, Bioware? You need to have some way of preventing this happening again.

[hallfing]

Maybe it would be better... if Bioware sat down and took both sides of the story seriously enough to actually realize the argument is not completely one sided... The "writer" in question did write a ridiculously funny opinion on gameplay  which openly invited trolls to engage in what has now been completely blown out of proportion thanks to idiots from reddit...

Which I really don't give a flying toss about, but... But If you were a writer and you said something about gaming that I know more about than you: not to mention the nature of said opinion, then you best prepare for some fiery comments from the actual gamers. None of which still justifies what people did to her on a personal level...

But retaliation of that type only happens if a franchise or a developing company has some serious fans (a bit too serious to take gaming for what it is; pure engaging fun) that actually care what the developers are doing and the direction they are heading toward...

So, even though I do not support the extent those fools went to traumatize her... If she wants people to take her opinions seriously then she should be ready for the consequences as well...

ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY "SKIP" GAMEPLAY!

P.S - I do care enough about Bioware... so I'm going to have to say I disagree with the writer's opinion and also the morons that went overboard on this matter. But I hope she stays with Bioware and continues to write stories that are more in common with DA:O's epicness, than it's rather forgettable sequel.

Modifié par hallfing, 28 février 2012 - 09:26 .

[Stanley Woo]

We are taking steps to prevent people from doing something similar within our community, which is completely within our control. We can do nothing against those who choose to attack via other social networking, as we have no control over those. And most jurisdictions have laws against harassment, stalking, and uttering threats, so there is legal support as well.

I would encourage those outraged by the behaviour of a bunch of internet jerkfaces to stand up and be counted here in the BioWare Social Network. Due to the booming popularity of games of BioWare franchises like Mass Effect and Dragon Age, we have seen an influx of many new faces around here. Many of them are, like you, rational, civil, mature individuals who can articulate their dislike or disagreement without swearing, insulting, or using any objectionable language. I would encourage each and every one of you to assist us in monitoring our community and reporting (via private message) threads, posts, or users who are violating our Site Rules.

This isn't about tattling or narcing anyone out. It's about having an open, friendly community where we can disagree with each other without resorting to name-calling or insults. And if you love our community that much, heck, we may be looking for more Moderators in the future and we are always biased towards those known to be helpful, vigilant, and articulate in the forums.

[Stanley Woo]

hallfing wrote...

Maybe it would be better... if Bioware sat down and took both sides of the story seriously enough to actually realize the argument is not completely one sided... The "writer" in question did write a ridiculously funny opinion on gameplay  which openly invited trolls to engage in what has now been completely blown out of proportion thanks to idiots from reddit...

Not an excuse for harassment, stalking, threats, or invading someone's privacy. Point: Jennifer's side.

Which I really don't give a flying toss about, but... But If you were a writer and you said something about gaming that I know more about than you: not to mention the nature of said opinion, then you best prepare for some fiery comments from the actual gamers. None of which still justifies what people did to her on a personal level...

As you say, not an excuse for harassment, stalking, threats, or invading someone's privacy. Point: Jennifer's side.

But retaliation of that type only happens if a franchise or a developing company has some serious fans (a bit too serious to take gaming for what it is; pure engaging fun) that actually care what the developers are doing and the direction they are heading toward...

If that's what "fans" do, we don't want fans like that. Being passionate about something does not give someone a license to engage in harassment, stalking, uttering threats, or invading someone's privacy, particularly when the person they're harassing is a creator of the thing these people purportedly love. Point; Jennifer's side.

So, even though I do not support the extent those fools went to traumatize her... If she wants people to take her opinions seriously then she should be ready for the consequences as well...

Victim-blaming. Automatic point: Jennifer's side.

ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY "SKIP" GAMEPLAY!

Yes, one does. PC gamers have used BioWare's "killallhostiles" command to quickly end combats before, even back in the NEverwinter Nights days, when Ctrl-Y was the insta-kill button when cheating was turned on. One also consults online walkthroughs when one is having a difficult or frustrating time with combats or puzzles. One powerlevels characters in MMOs. One uses godmode or reduces the game's difficulty setting. One uses quick travel in sandbox games. One "simply skips gameplay" all the time. One just isn't all too concerned when one chooses to do it.

P.S - I do care enough about Bioware... so I'm going to have to say I disagree with the writer's opinion and also the morons that went overboard on this matter. But I hope she stays with Bioware and continues to write stories that are more in common with DA:O's epicness, than it's rather forgettable sequel.

Jennifer has given no indication that she plans on leaving BioWare, as far as I know, but I cannot speak for her.

So to calculate the score here, hallfing, I don't see any points for the "other side of the story," where somehow they were in the right to do something really douchey.

[seraphymon]

and there is no excuse for Jennifers insult either. This isnt about a point system and whose right or wrong, everyone is to blame in some sort of fashion. justified or not. as for the argument goes it is not one sided. and you cant have your cake and eat it too, like you always want to do stanley. You want to make the best games possible, so inevitably you are going to drawn in fans like these, like it or not. They are customers just like any others.

As for all your skip gameplay points, that is a bit different i feel. Those are common yes, but that is to skip usually when farming stuff, walkthroughs im sorry doesnt count. it isnt to really skip but as a help. Now when i usually skip or see people skip it is only "after" a person has been through it before. such as an mmo or playing through a game or scenario multiple times. Much like skipping cutscenes. When we know what is gonna be said, or when we die iin a fight, and have to suffer through the cutscene again.

[casadechrisso]

I can only facepalm about people who even take that as an insult, given it's a reply to those who harassed her.
You call names, lash out with the lowest insults possible, then go crying in a corner when you get back that "you're just jealous because..." line? Re-read that, don't you notice how absolutely ridiculous that is? Do you really expect an intelligent person to shed a tear for you or even run to your defense?
Even more ridiculous defending that behavior with the skip-combat-button comment she made. That justifies absolutely nothing. It's a valid idea many people would even appreciate as an option. I hate frustrating combat too sometimes, I usually start a game on easy or normal when I want to enjoy the story, and I surely would've skipped a lot of DA2's annoying waves. It's an OPTION, and you guys who call it outrageous and take it as a valid reason for such low behavior are NOT speaking for or even ARE anything like the gamer base.
Look at Mass Effect 3 now, what's the problem with giving some players the Story option? You can go to your action mode and skip all dialogue, or like me stick to the RPG mode. What is the damn problem, what does this ruin for you? Nothing! Really, don't you see how ridiculous everything you say to defend the attacks sounds? There are no two sides, there is no excuse.

[Elhanan]

seraphymon wrote...

and there is no excuse for Jennifers insult either. This isnt about a point system and whose right or wrong, everyone is to blame in some sort of fashion. justified or not. as for the argument goes it is not one sided. and you cant have your cake and eat it too, like you always want to do stanley. You want to make the best games possible, so inevitably you are going to drawn in fans like these, like it or not. They are customers just like any others.

As for all your skip gameplay points, that is a bit different i feel. Those are common yes, but that is to skip usually when farming stuff, walkthroughs im sorry doesnt count. it isnt to really skip but as a help. Now when i usually skip or see people skip it is only "after" a person has been through it before. such as an mmo or playing through a game or scenario multiple times. Much like skipping cutscenes. When we know what is gonna be said, or when we die iin a fight, and have to suffer through the cutscene again.

Edit: Mine

Sorry; nope. They are customers that chose to invalidate their products when spewing hatred, verbally assaulting, hacking info, bully, harass, and use criminal methods to illustrate their opinions,  and use EA or Bioware products to do so. If other media was used, hope those other Terms of Conduct offer sim forms of recourse, and silence these chicken nuggets for good.

No excuse for an insult? From where I sit, there is no excuse for supporting these 'Griefers' at all; either as gamers, customers, or other human beings.

As for this thread, I support both Jennifer Helper and Bioware, and hope that this community is lighter a few dead-heads moving forward; making room for those that like to color in the rather large circle provided.

[CarpeOmnios]

Stanley Woo wrote...

hallfing wrote...

Maybe it would be better... if Bioware sat down and took both sides of the story seriously enough to actually realize the argument is not completely one sided... The "writer" in question did write a ridiculously funny opinion on gameplay  which openly invited trolls to engage in what has now been completely blown out of proportion thanks to idiots from reddit...

Not an excuse for harassment, stalking, threats, or invading someone's privacy. Point: Jennifer's side.

Which I really don't give a flying toss about, but... But If you were a writer and you said something about gaming that I know more about than you: not to mention the nature of said opinion, then you best prepare for some fiery comments from the actual gamers. None of which still justifies what people did to her on a personal level...

As you say, not an excuse for harassment, stalking, threats, or invading someone's privacy. Point: Jennifer's side.

But retaliation of that type only happens if a franchise or a developing company has some serious fans (a bit too serious to take gaming for what it is; pure engaging fun) that actually care what the developers are doing and the direction they are heading toward...

If that's what "fans" do, we don't want fans like that. Being passionate about something does not give someone a license to engage in harassment, stalking, uttering threats, or invading someone's privacy, particularly when the person they're harassing is a creator of the thing these people purportedly love. Point; Jennifer's side.

So, even though I do not support the extent those fools went to traumatize her... If she wants people to take her opinions seriously then she should be ready for the consequences as well...

Victim-blaming. Automatic point: Jennifer's side.

ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY "SKIP" GAMEPLAY!

Yes, one does. PC gamers have used BioWare's "killallhostiles" command to quickly end combats before, even back in the NEverwinter Nights days, when Ctrl-Y was the insta-kill button when cheating was turned on. One also consults online walkthroughs when one is having a difficult or frustrating time with combats or puzzles. One powerlevels characters in MMOs. One uses godmode or reduces the game's difficulty setting. One uses quick travel in sandbox games. One "simply skips gameplay" all the time. One just isn't all too concerned when one chooses to do it.

P.S - I do care enough about Bioware... so I'm going to have to say I disagree with the writer's opinion and also the morons that went overboard on this matter. But I hope she stays with Bioware and continues to write stories that are more in common with DA:O's epicness, than it's rather forgettable sequel.

Jennifer has given no indication that she plans on leaving BioWare, as far as I know, but I cannot speak for her.

So to calculate the score here, hallfing, I don't see any points for the "other side of the story," where somehow they were in the right to do something really douchey.

^ That. There is absolutely no excuse that can justify what happened, and people who try to excuse it by saying "Oh I don't condone bullying but Jennifer said this blah blah" are just as bad. You are not only shifting blame to the victim, but you are also enabling this kind of disgusting abuse.

[CarpeOmnios]

seraphymon wrote...

and there is no excuse for Jennifers insult either. This isnt about a point system and whose right or wrong, everyone is to blame in some sort of fashion. justified or not. as for the argument goes it is not one sided. and you cant have your cake and eat it too, like you always want to do stanley. You want to make the best games possible, so inevitably you are going to drawn in fans like these, like it or not. They are customers just like any others.

As for all your skip gameplay points, that is a bit different i feel. Those are common yes, but that is to skip usually when farming stuff, walkthroughs im sorry doesnt count. it isnt to really skip but as a help. Now when i usually skip or see people skip it is only "after" a person has been through it before. such as an mmo or playing through a game or scenario multiple times. Much like skipping cutscenes. When we know what is gonna be said, or when we die iin a fight, and have to suffer through the cutscene again.

The point, you're missing it.

The point is not that Jennifer said something "insulting" (which is BS, by the way, it was nothing compared to what those ****s said to her). The point is she was subjected to a torrent of abuse, not only insults to her writing but personal comments which are completely uncalled for and totally irrelevant. And not only that. There have been people threatening her, threatening her family, telling her they hope she 'commits suicide' and calling her at her home.

There is absolutely nothing that she could say that would ever make that kind of behaviour acceptable. That is utterly reprehensible.

There is NOTHING that justifies it. Nothing. And you saying 'there is no excuse' for what she said, well, frankly that is BS. Absolute BS.

[gimpyh]

I'm pretty sure if someone was yelling insults to you on the street, a big chunk of us would probably tell them to f*** off. Or at least I would It is pretty hard for people to not to become defensive when under attack in any form. Do they wish they didn't respond that way, probably, but in all reality their responses just show they are human like anyone else.

To set forth a campaign to commit libel on someone any purpose is just malicious and many areas allow legal action against these forms of defamation.  How you can support people like that against someone who was just stating a personal opinion is just crazy.  Also I'm pretty sure Canada and most US states consider it a felony for suggesting someone to commit suicide.

[Removed didnt realize people would take it farther then what I was implying]

Modifié par gimpyh, 28 février 2012 - 12:24 .

[Megaton_Hope]

gimpyh wrote...
People saying that everyone has a fault.  If someone attacked physically, but you were able to overpower them and in return physically injured them, should you be charged with assault as well? Get Real.

You might, actually, it depends on how your options are for leaving the vicinity. The right to defend your own life doesn't extend to a right to commit grievous injury just because you were provoked.

As in the case of harassing somebody whose statement offended you, there isn't an absolute right to respond involved. And, particularly, if your response exceeds the degree to which the original action harmed you, you can be criminally liable - many homeowners are surprised to find that they don't in fact possess the right to kill any intruder, regardless of imminent threats to their life and property. (Voluntary manslaughter, it's called.)

Not trying to draw a parallel there, of course, but it looked like there's an erroneous assumption underlying this analogy.

[hallfing]

Stanley Woo wrote...

hallfing wrote...

Maybe it would be better... if Bioware sat down and took both sides of the story seriously enough to actually realize the argument is not completely one sided... The "writer" in question did write a ridiculously funny opinion on gameplay  which openly invited trolls to engage in what has now been completely blown out of proportion thanks to idiots from reddit...

Not an excuse for harassment, stalking, threats, or invading someone's privacy. Point: Jennifer's side.

Which I really don't give a flying toss about, but... But If you were a writer and you said something about gaming that I know more about than you: not to mention the nature of said opinion, then you best prepare for some fiery comments from the actual gamers. None of which still justifies what people did to her on a personal level...

As you say, not an excuse for harassment, stalking, threats, or invading someone's privacy. Point: Jennifer's side.

But retaliation of that type only happens if a franchise or a developing company has some serious fans (a bit too serious to take gaming for what it is; pure engaging fun) that actually care what the developers are doing and the direction they are heading toward...

If that's what "fans" do, we don't want fans like that. Being passionate about something does not give someone a license to engage in harassment, stalking, uttering threats, or invading someone's privacy, particularly when the person they're harassing is a creator of the thing these people purportedly love. Point; Jennifer's side.

So, even though I do not support the extent those fools went to traumatize her... If she wants people to take her opinions seriously then she should be ready for the consequences as well...

Victim-blaming. Automatic point: Jennifer's side.

ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY "SKIP" GAMEPLAY!

Yes, one does. PC gamers have used BioWare's "killallhostiles" command to quickly end combats before, even back in the NEverwinter Nights days, when Ctrl-Y was the insta-kill button when cheating was turned on. One also consults online walkthroughs when one is having a difficult or frustrating time with combats or puzzles. One powerlevels characters in MMOs. One uses godmode or reduces the game's difficulty setting. One uses quick travel in sandbox games. One "simply skips gameplay" all the time. One just isn't all too concerned when one chooses to do it.

P.S - I do care enough about Bioware... so I'm going to have to say I disagree with the writer's opinion and also the morons that went overboard on this matter. But I hope she stays with Bioware and continues to write stories that are more in common with DA:O's epicness, than it's rather forgettable sequel.

Jennifer has given no indication that she plans on leaving BioWare, as far as I know, but I cannot speak for her.

So to calculate the score here, hallfing, I don't see any points for the "other side of the story," where somehow they were in the right to do something really douchey.

I'll explain myself because you might have misunderstood me...


I said I don't support  the morons that did all of the horrible things to Jennifer Helper that you have mentioned!! Because I know that doing such things to another human being is not only uncivilized but also that such things can scar any human being who has responsibiliites that can be exploited in such manner...

But I also said that such things happen only if the the opinions of that person are taken too seriously by a select few who take themselves a bit too seriously... in fact it only happens with a certain kind: that spent money expecting too much too soon only to be disappointed and that disappointment turns into anger which is then lashed out at anyone they feel is responsible for their disatisfaction. Now you might or might not think of it this way... but I think they got a bit too attached to your games (Bioware's games) and that obsession made them to question their entitlement with each released game... It's the developers' job to appeal to their fanbase with exciting games but it's not their obligation to make sure each fan is satisfied because let's be honest that is "horse radish" from DAY 1... and that's a risk you guys are taking with the direction you choose to go with! Not everyone will like it (DA2 PROOF OF THAT)...

Not everyone knows to take an opinion as it is for what it is... I for one think that the skiping part is stupid because your own games contradict it! That is excluding DA2 of course (If I could skip anything in that.... I'll get to it later)

Now you may say that you don't want "fans" like that but it's not in your power to control who or what kind of a person buys your games... what if a psychopath buys your games and decides he/she didn't get his/her money's worth and decides to smear you or all your franchises because he/she felt they were ripped off... you can't do anything to them unless it's on EA  forums or here... People like that exist to make others' life miserable! Try changing it, many have and still do I HATE THEM JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO AND I HOPE THEY LEAVE JENNIFER ALONE AS WELL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S GOING OVER THE POINT OF JUST BEING STUPID AND SHAMELESS...

That being said, NONE OF WHAT I HAVE STATED ABOVE IS EVEN REMOTELY JUSTIFYING THE TREATMENT JENNIFER HAS BEEN GETTING THE PAST FEW DAYS!! because it doesn't... nothing can.

Moving on... to the next point, you have stated that people do skip gameplay by doing the consolecommands that make them godlike or instakill enimies and stuff like that... But you're talking about PC gamers and also about ones that like to cheat or experiment for the sake of it... I DON'T USE IT AND MANY OF MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE PLAYED ME1, ME2 DON'T USE IT so that's not a valid point at all...

Yes, one does. PC gamers have used BioWare's "killallhostiles" command
to quickly end combats before, even back in the NEverwinter Nights days,
when Ctrl-Y was the insta-kill button when cheating was turned on. One
also consults online walkthroughs when one is having a difficult or
frustrating time with combats or puzzles. One powerlevels characters in
MMOs. One uses godmode or reduces the game's difficulty setting. One
uses quick travel in sandbox games. One "simply skips gameplay" all the
time. One just isn't all too concerned when one chooses to do it.

Can one simply assume everyone has PC?
Can one simply do "killallhostiles" on Consoles as skip method? (no pun intended)
Can one simply skip ME2's mineral mining and achieve perfect ending?
Can one simply skip half of ME1's mainstory Mako missions nonetheless?
Can one simply watch walkthroughs and get through randomly generated puzzles or items?
Can one simply assume walkthroughs are always accurate?
Can one watch  walkthroughs of a PRO-league starcraft player and become PRO with their next try?
Can one say for sure that power-leveling always works out free of cost?
Can one skip planet scanning in ME2 and get free minerals by reducing game difficulty?
Can one reduce game difficlty and make the boss die in one shot without "console commands"?
Can one quick travel to a place that was not previously visited because it was a drag to do so?
Can one assume all games have same mechanics and gameplay styles?
Can one assume all games have "killhostiles" or have console commands for that matter?

I think not, sir!

THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SKIP IN ANY OF BIOWARE'S GAMES is the copy paste waves in Dragon Age 2

As for what I meant by "If she wants people to take her opinions seriously then she should be ready for the consequences as well..."

Well... an interview is an interview no matter how you look at it! people will read it and there will be feedback regardless of whether or not the person in question wanted it ot not... and since she had an opinion that was related to gameplay people who thought otherwise have also made it known albeit through somewhat awkward means this time around.

and you really didn't have to add points to support Jennifer >_> I was never against her, I wish I could find the guy that went so far and give him a good boll*cksing ~_~" I only said there are two sides to an arguement always and I mean ALWAYS!! Otherwise it's not considered an arguement at all and wouldn't exist to begin with... the problem here lies with who gets to play the blame game.... ^_^" looks like the morons over at reddit found who to play it with keeping in mind the previous "reddit" incidents <_<


as for victim blaming... no no no don't be silly no one was blaming her! well not me at least. I only said that she should be ready for the consequences because I was refering to her opinion and not the fabricated BS with rage trolling going on all around her... what I was refering to was the "Kotaku" post T_T

Modifié par hallfing, 28 février 2012 - 12:36 .

[esper]

As for the first point, by implying that the bullies has a side that bioware should consider you are automatically siding with them (even if you don't mean too which you proberly don't but that is how it is coming off). Basically everything constructive those who bully Jennifer wanted to say was negated the moment they decided to act the way they did. There is not two side to the argument when the one side behave the way those bullies are behaving.

Console gamers would skip features too if they could, believe you me. And we already do; fast travel in Skyrim, skipping dialog in bioware games... and so fort. It would simply be a matter of making the killallhostiles - function which the pc can do to something everybody can acces if they want to.

[AydinPaladin]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Aydin Paladin wrote...
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The fact that you come into the thread so late and say what you say indicates that you have not read the many Moderator posts here defining what is and is not acceptable discussion for this thread. This point, however, is negated by my third point, below.

The fact that you parrot opinions that have been refuted, and are demonstrably false, indicates that you don't enjoy following rules.

The fact that you also make such a post knowing or suspecting it's going to get locked indicates that you wish to start trouble, but though you believe your post will be redacted or removed simply because it's critical of Jennifer and/or her opinions, it is in fact redacted because such discussion is not appropriate for this thread, as I and others have said several times now. Such discussion is already being held in one of the DA2 Registered User General Discussion forums, in a thread entitled http://social.biowar.../index/9388250] Hepler's Work in Dragon Age[/url].

Please don't use this thread as your soapbox again. Your opinions and ideas can be discussed elsewhere in our community. THank you.

Actually, I've waited to say anything because I was waiting for the debate to cool down and I was actually in the process of writting a  PR analysis of BioWare for a personal project so I thought I would voice my opinion. I've been monitoring their recent PR activity, including this response, something totally related to the topic at hand, in a SWOT accessment of the organization.
But, please, make assumptions about me. 
Thank you for kinda proving my point about having opinions towards Hepler and the sitaution.
Dont enjoy following rules? The rules are that everyone must have the same opinion? 
It really is shameful PR, especially when you link this thread to your social media outlets.

[hallfing]

esper wrote...

As for the first point, by implying that the bullies has a side that bioware should consider you are automatically siding with them (even if you don't mean too which you proberly don't but that is how it is coming off). Basically everything constructive those who bully Jennifer wanted to say was negated the moment they decided to act the way they did. There is not two side to the argument when the one side behave the way those bullies are behaving.

Console gamers would skip features too if they could, believe you me. And we already do; fast travel in Skyrim, skipping dialog in bioware games... and so fort. It would simply be a matter of making the killallhostiles - function which the pc can do to something everybody can acces if they want to.

doesn't matter if they implement those things into console... we are only talking about minority of the people that will skip things in that manner... and as for skipping dialogue ~_~" no that's not skipping it at all when you already know what it is or you don't care enough about the game to want to know what it is, in which case it's skipping the game effectively... see? Also not every game is the same and not every game has gameplay that is skip friendly so if you want skip stuff in all the games then you're not really in for the story you're just stress busting your time to nowhere with skyrim's direction that might actually be true. But that's just me because I'm in it for the awesome experience and I don't skip anything unless it's the 2nd playthrough and I don't skip things I missed from my first playthrough in my 2nd one either... So that is in fact my opinion which you're disagreeing to, the same as the mod

same thing I did with Jennifer's opinion... problem?

as for two sides of the arguement... I'm afraid you can't change it, there is always another side to an arguement and nothing automatically just flips over to one side... (not refering to this situation of course)

on Kotaku people are saying as long as Jennfer Hepler stays away from ME franchise they don't have any problems with her... and that's because of her opinion of skiping things which people obviously did not take a liking to and to be completely honest if developers took her suggestion seriously enough then they'd have to find ways of making the story important in ways that people dont have to skip because let's face it skiping stuff is now wholely accepted by developers themselves... "hey guys we made game with useless features so just skip at it and enjoy the rest of the game"

EXAMPLE: ME3 Galaxy exploring... even though reapers will attack me if I start scanning stuff I still find it quite boring why didn't they add a skip button to it? why don't we just go to the next part of the game directly? because it's all about the diversity of the gameplay that makes games so awesome if devs wanted to skip that at will then "overused" and "overrated" would actually have a meaning other than "Oh, I don't like this game because it's so overrated and I don't like this feature because it's sooo overused"

I really do not care enough about the whole "reddit" thing to bother writing anything about that whole incident because I've been on reddit and trust me it's not the first time either ~_~"

Modifié par hallfing, 28 février 2012 - 01:52 .