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[esper]

Tesclo wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

Someone got trolled on the internet? This never happens!

Seriously, who cares?

Well, that may be myself, Bioware, EA, fair minded indv that dislike bullies, non-apathetic members of the community, and perhaps those that have a wider peripheral view than themselves; just a guess.

Someone got trolled on the internet (never happens) and it's a big deal because she works for Bioware.

Just because no one ever have had the guts to stand up against if before does not make it okay. Someone has to be the first to say: We do not tolerate this.

[Elhanan]

Guess the part of about the invasion of privacy, family harassment, death threats, and on-going persecution escapes some people's notice. But do not let the facts clarify someone's cloudy prejudgements....

Whether she be a Developer, player, or simply another poster within this community, she or anyone here should expect better than this kind of treatment. And as a supposed civilized society,all of us should expect better from each other.

[rapscallioness]

This angers me to no end. It truly does. There's a definite mob mentality these days. And...some ppl are just crazy. I mean, serious crazy. Like mental illness; they're off their medication crazy.

When criticism goes to death threats, harassing someone's family, invasion of privacy---we're talking criminal actions. The kind that can be prosecuted in a court of law. If it were me, I'd alert the authorities (if she already hasn't); have them track these ppl, and drag them thru the legal system.

What they're doing is illegal. It's also gone to the level of hate crime. This is serious stuff. This isn't just whiny/raging fanboy crap.

Ppl go to jail for this kind of stuff. This isn't a game.

BW/EA, I sincerely hope you're documenting this stuff and do take legal action against these ppl. And yes, they can be tracked even on twitter.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Tesclo wrote...

Someone got trolled on the internet (never happens) and it's a big deal because she works for Bioware.

I think you missed the part where the 'trolling' it didn't stay on the internet.

[Meeszy Alexy]

Tesclo wrote...

Someone got trolled on the internet (never happens) and it's a big deal because she works for Bioware.

She started getting calls at her house and death threats. She had to close her Twitter down because of the level of harrassment. I think that counts as going too far! There's trolling, and then there's this.

[Felene]

Totally unacceptable behavior please consider taking legal action against those people, I support and enjoy Mr. Hepler's work in both DA:O and DA2, hope to see more of her work in the future Dragon Age franchise.

[ilcane87]

After a thorough read of this thread, here's just a little notice that I hope won't be taken the wrong way.

I only recently found out about the mess derived from that old interview, for nonsensical and spiteful reasons as far as I understand it, and I would, normally, add my voice in condemning all the harassers who apparently joined together in a madmen crusade against Miss Hepler.

But I'm afraid I can't do so in good faith, and here is why: it is next to impossible for me, as a newcomer to the whole situation, to get an idea of everything that actually transpired, because I keep getting the impression that a great number of users in this thread (namely, the disagreeing part) is being hastily silenced/censored, with very few uninformative exceptions.
I have also tried looking elsewhere on the forums, but I couldn't find any topic that allowed free discussion from the other side of the debate, and therefore I'm unable to make fair judgements until I read about it from outside sources.

Since I'm positive that "Miss Hepler's side" is mostly in the right, in the interest of not giving newcomers like me the wrong impression of hiding facts, I would advise to limit the "cuts" to actual offensive statements, which is not synonimous of criticisms; there's no benefit in overdoing it, to either side.

[Heather Cline]

Never saw the post or postings by people but yeah it's not right. Hope she can ignore the crap thrown her way.

[Kyda]

I want to send my sympathies to Jennifer and any other bioware staff that suffered from these attacks. Bioware is a company that allows us (gamers) to actively participate in their ideas and interact with the people that makes those games we care about. I usually get in the forums to read, more than post, but every once in a while I post and sometimes I even get an answer from a Bioware member and it is nice to feel acknowledge. Bioware staff like Jennifer, David and Mary (from the top of my head, I apologized for the others I didn´t mention) don´t really need to come to the forums or interact with fans at all. It is sad that some folks don´t understand that "it is a privilege" to get them to interact with us and even maybe take some of the ideas some forumnites have and make them real. People take for granted all of these things. I just wish Bioware doesn´t lose this great interaction with the community because of a band of irrational and violent people.

[SilentK]

Had no idea that it was that bad. Ohh... I am so so sorry for Jennifer Hepler.

Wish there was something that we could do to show support, so glad to know that they stand up for her.

[Calamista]

SilentK wrote...

Had no idea that it was that bad. Ohh... I am so so sorry for Jennifer Hepler.

Wish there was something that we could do to show support, so glad to know that they stand up for her.

THIS.  

Especially with this context beefing up of the forum rules makes sense.

[Rorschachinstein]

Kroitz wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Happy ending would be Helper saying everything is "aaaallllllllllllllllllll riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight". But I admit I know next to nothing of her personal life. So let's hope this whole incedent isn't lemon on a wound.

Kroitz wrote...

I admire your reaction Bioware and I salute to Ms. Hepler for giving them some of their own medicine.

If you´re throwing punches at someone you should also be able to take them, simple as that.

You seem to have put together a story that is the opposite of what actually happend.

I´m intrigued, tell me your version. Don´t leave out the part that victimizes the people who started it. 

Helper couldn't have given them their own "medicine" since she tried to delete her twitter account and the fine gentlemen at 4chan and redit wouldn't relent, and were only encouraged to attack poor Helper after she talked back.

ilcane87 wrote...

After a thorough read of this thread, here's just a little notice that I hope won't be taken the wrong way. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png

I
only recently found out about the mess derived from that old interview,
for nonsensical and spiteful reasons as far as I understand it, and I would, normally, add my voice in condemning all the harassers who apparently joined together in a madmen crusade against Miss Hepler.

But
I'm afraid I can't do so in good faith, and here is why: it is next to
impossible for me, as a newcomer to the whole situation, to get an idea
of everything that actually transpired, because I keep getting the
impression that a great number of users in this thread (namely, the
disagreeing part) is being hastily silenced/censored, with very few
uninformative exceptions.
I have also tried looking elsewhere on the
forums, but I couldn't find any topic that allowed free discussion from
the other side of the debate, and therefore I'm unable to make fair
judgements until I read about it from outside sources.

Since I'm
positive that "Miss Hepler's side" is mostly in the right, in the
interest of not giving newcomers like me the wrong impression of hiding
facts, I would advise to limit the "cuts" to actual offensive statements, which is not synonimous of criticisms; there's no benefit in overdoing it, to either side. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

There isn't much of a debate. People went buttinsane at Helper. But people who are sympathetic to the flamers are being silenced because we're being told this isn't Encyclopedia Dramatica

[Silfren]

SilentK wrote...

Had no idea that it was that bad. Ohh... I am so so sorry for Jennifer Hepler.

Wish there was something that we could do to show support, so glad to know that they stand up for her.

I liked Bioware's idea of donating to Bullying Canada, so that's what I did.  I couldn't match the amount they put up, but I don't imagine that really matters. 

[Silfren]

ilcane87 wrote...

After a thorough read of this thread, here's just a little notice that I hope won't be taken the wrong way.

I only recently found out about the mess derived from that old interview, for nonsensical and spiteful reasons as far as I understand it, and I would, normally, add my voice in condemning all the harassers who apparently joined together in a madmen crusade against Miss Hepler.

But I'm afraid I can't do so in good faith, and here is why: it is next to impossible for me, as a newcomer to the whole situation, to get an idea of everything that actually transpired, because I keep getting the impression that a great number of users in this thread (namely, the disagreeing part) is being hastily silenced/censored, with very few uninformative exceptions.
I have also tried looking elsewhere on the forums, but I couldn't find any topic that allowed free discussion from the other side of the debate, and therefore I'm unable to make fair judgements until I read about it from outside sources.

Since I'm positive that "Miss Hepler's side" is mostly in the right, in the interest of not giving newcomers like me the wrong impression of hiding facts, I would advise to limit the "cuts" to actual offensive statements, which is not synonimous of criticisms; there's no benefit in overdoing it, to either side.

The impression that a "great number of users...is being hastily silenced/censored" is true, but not without due cause.  Posts have been deleted either because they are too far off-topic, are being combative and insulting, or are trying to sympathize with Hepler's attackers.  Those are the only posts that have been deleted, and I'm speaking as someone whose own posts were included in that.  It isn't necessary for you to advise Bioware in this regard, because they've alreayd been doing exactly that--deleting offensive posts, not constructively critical ones. 

So I really don't think it is necessary for you to worry about people being unfairly censored as seems to be the case.  The bottom line is that a LOT of people went after Hepler, leaving not only personal insults and sexist slurs, but calls for her termination from Bioware, and threats of violence not only against her, but her family as well.  These attacks didn't simply take place online, either, but the abusers in question also took to calling her house phone.  This went on for months, literally.  Hepler responded by making one or two comments that called into question the virginity of her detractors and to accuse them of jealousy.  That is the gist of what happened in a nutshell. 

The only other "side" to this are people who want to talk about what Bioware and Hepler allegedly did to provoke the attacks, or to make Hepler's retorts morally equivalent to the many months' worth of abuse she was subjected to. 

[Rorschachinstein]

Silfren wrote...

ilcane87 wrote...

After a thorough read of this thread, here's just a little notice that I hope won't be taken the wrong way.

I only recently found out about the mess derived from that old interview, for nonsensical and spiteful reasons as far as I understand it, and I would, normally, add my voice in condemning all the harassers who apparently joined together in a madmen crusade against Miss Hepler.

But I'm afraid I can't do so in good faith, and here is why: it is next to impossible for me, as a newcomer to the whole situation, to get an idea of everything that actually transpired, because I keep getting the impression that a great number of users in this thread (namely, the disagreeing part) is being hastily silenced/censored, with very few uninformative exceptions.
I have also tried looking elsewhere on the forums, but I couldn't find any topic that allowed free discussion from the other side of the debate, and therefore I'm unable to make fair judgements until I read about it from outside sources.

Since I'm positive that "Miss Hepler's side" is mostly in the right, in the interest of not giving newcomers like me the wrong impression of hiding facts, I would advise to limit the "cuts" to actual offensive statements, which is not synonimous of criticisms; there's no benefit in overdoing it, to either side.

The impression that a "great number of users...is being hastily silenced/censored" is true, but not without due cause.  Posts have been deleted either because they are too far off-topic, are being combative and insulting, or are trying to sympathize with Hepler's attackers.  Those are the only posts that have been deleted, and I'm speaking as someone whose own posts were included in that.  It isn't necessary for you to advise Bioware in this regard, because they've alreayd been doing exactly that--deleting offensive posts, not constructively critical ones. 

So I really don't think it is necessary for you to worry about people being unfairly censored as seems to be the case.  The bottom line is that a LOT of people went after Hepler, leaving not only personal insults and sexist slurs, but calls for her termination from Bioware, and threats of violence not only against her, but her family as well.  These attacks didn't simply take place online, either, but the abusers in question also took to calling her house phone.  This went on for months, literally.  Hepler responded by making one or two comments that called into question the virginity of her detractors and to accuse them of jealousy.  That is the gist of what happened in a nutshell. 

The only other "side" to this are people who want to talk about what Bioware and Hepler allegedly did to provoke the attacks, or to make Hepler's retorts morally equivalent to the many months' worth of abuse she was subjected to. 

That shouldn't warrant deletion Amigos.

[esper]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Silfren wrote...

ilcane87 wrote...

After a thorough read of this thread, here's just a little notice that I hope won't be taken the wrong way.

I only recently found out about the mess derived from that old interview, for nonsensical and spiteful reasons as far as I understand it, and I would, normally, add my voice in condemning all the harassers who apparently joined together in a madmen crusade against Miss Hepler.

But I'm afraid I can't do so in good faith, and here is why: it is next to impossible for me, as a newcomer to the whole situation, to get an idea of everything that actually transpired, because I keep getting the impression that a great number of users in this thread (namely, the disagreeing part) is being hastily silenced/censored, with very few uninformative exceptions.
I have also tried looking elsewhere on the forums, but I couldn't find any topic that allowed free discussion from the other side of the debate, and therefore I'm unable to make fair judgements until I read about it from outside sources.

Since I'm positive that "Miss Hepler's side" is mostly in the right, in the interest of not giving newcomers like me the wrong impression of hiding facts, I would advise to limit the "cuts" to actual offensive statements, which is not synonimous of criticisms; there's no benefit in overdoing it, to either side.

The impression that a "great number of users...is being hastily silenced/censored" is true, but not without due cause.  Posts have been deleted either because they are too far off-topic, are being combative and insulting, or are trying to sympathize with Hepler's attackers.  Those are the only posts that have been deleted, and I'm speaking as someone whose own posts were included in that.  It isn't necessary for you to advise Bioware in this regard, because they've alreayd been doing exactly that--deleting offensive posts, not constructively critical ones. 

So I really don't think it is necessary for you to worry about people being unfairly censored as seems to be the case.  The bottom line is that a LOT of people went after Hepler, leaving not only personal insults and sexist slurs, but calls for her termination from Bioware, and threats of violence not only against her, but her family as well.  These attacks didn't simply take place online, either, but the abusers in question also took to calling her house phone.  This went on for months, literally.  Hepler responded by making one or two comments that called into question the virginity of her detractors and to accuse them of jealousy.  That is the gist of what happened in a nutshell. 

The only other "side" to this are people who want to talk about what Bioware and Hepler allegedly did to provoke the attacks, or to make Hepler's retorts morally equivalent to the many months' worth of abuse she was subjected to. 

That shouldn't warrant deletion Amigos.

Actually it does. Half of those post were attacks themself and should not be tolerated, the other half were discussing gameplay and both pro- and against were removed since we went off topic there.

[Silfren]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Silfren wrote...

ilcane87 wrote...

After a thorough read of this thread, here's just a little notice that I hope won't be taken the wrong way.

I only recently found out about the mess derived from that old interview, for nonsensical and spiteful reasons as far as I understand it, and I would, normally, add my voice in condemning all the harassers who apparently joined together in a madmen crusade against Miss Hepler.

But I'm afraid I can't do so in good faith, and here is why: it is next to impossible for me, as a newcomer to the whole situation, to get an idea of everything that actually transpired, because I keep getting the impression that a great number of users in this thread (namely, the disagreeing part) is being hastily silenced/censored, with very few uninformative exceptions.
I have also tried looking elsewhere on the forums, but I couldn't find any topic that allowed free discussion from the other side of the debate, and therefore I'm unable to make fair judgements until I read about it from outside sources.

Since I'm positive that "Miss Hepler's side" is mostly in the right, in the interest of not giving newcomers like me the wrong impression of hiding facts, I would advise to limit the "cuts" to actual offensive statements, which is not synonimous of criticisms; there's no benefit in overdoing it, to either side.

The impression that a "great number of users...is being hastily silenced/censored" is true, but not without due cause.  Posts have been deleted either because they are too far off-topic, are being combative and insulting, or are trying to sympathize with Hepler's attackers.  Those are the only posts that have been deleted, and I'm speaking as someone whose own posts were included in that.  It isn't necessary for you to advise Bioware in this regard, because they've alreayd been doing exactly that--deleting offensive posts, not constructively critical ones. 

So I really don't think it is necessary for you to worry about people being unfairly censored as seems to be the case.  The bottom line is that a LOT of people went after Hepler, leaving not only personal insults and sexist slurs, but calls for her termination from Bioware, and threats of violence not only against her, but her family as well.  These attacks didn't simply take place online, either, but the abusers in question also took to calling her house phone.  This went on for months, literally.  Hepler responded by making one or two comments that called into question the virginity of her detractors and to accuse them of jealousy.  That is the gist of what happened in a nutshell. 

The only other "side" to this are people who want to talk about what Bioware and Hepler allegedly did to provoke the attacks, or to make Hepler's retorts morally equivalent to the many months' worth of abuse she was subjected to. 

That shouldn't warrant deletion Amigos.

Yes, it should.  Sympathizing with Hepler's attackers amounts to sympathizing with people who engaged in abusive slurs against Hepler, and threats of violence against herself and her children.  People who sympathize with people who engage in criminal behavior absolutely should be censored.

[Gotholhorakh]

Good grief! This thread is still going?!

Tesclo wrote...

Someone got trolled on the internet (never happens) and it's a big deal because she works for Bioware.

For years through various communications media (not just the web) I've come across people who do this, and tbh dismissing it as 'trolling' or whatever doesn't alter the fact that it's real harrassment in the real world, real individual human beings deciding to do it, real people being affected and a real extension of those " trolls' " personalities whether they like to think so or not.

There is a reason why that level of harrassment in person or using the telephone could see you in prison, and it's a pretty fair reason.

Society is far too tolerant of punks imo

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 01 mars 2012 - 10:23 .

[Lindum]

It is brilliant to see Bioware supporting Jennifer Hepler and making a donation to Bullying Canada.

There is no excuse for bullying.
Please keep up the great work Jennifer and Bioware 

Modifié par Lindum , 01 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[AudioEpics]

I agree with Jennifer's statement that it makes sense for games to have the option to skip combat. I happen to enjoy both dialogue and combat myself, but I completely understand people who just want to enjoy an interactive story.
To be honest, I don't know exactly what dialogue she's written so I can't really comment on that, but I have to admire the simple fact that she is a writer for Bioware who has worked on the Dragon Age games and The Old Republic. It would be a dream come true for me if I could be in that position. I've always dreamed of living in Canada and writing fantasy for a living.

[Taint Master]

I feel like I missed something hilarious.

Where can I find some cliffs on what went down here?

[LadyVaJedi]

In some ways this will show that people can be bullied at all ages not just kids and teens.

[Silfren]

Taint Master wrote...

I feel like I missed something hilarious.

Where can I find some cliffs on what went down here?

You didn't miss anything hilarious at all.  I have a "gist" post a page or two back.  

[esper]

@Rorschachinstein.Bullying should never be acceptable nor should it needs to be explaineed. In fact if you try to explain bulling you a condoning it because you are saying: What happened is bad, but it was because of X, Y and Z - by saying that you are saying that if the victim had not done c, y or z it would not have happened. Which means you are implict blaming the victim.

Bullies should not be allowed to explains their behaviour. They are bullies and need to learn how to speak proberly to another person or simply don't speak. Bullying is not excuseable: End of discussion.

As for the gameplay discussion it is happening in gameplay related threads and it is fair enough of the moderators to ask us to take that discussion there.

Hope it is the right thread now.

[Paragongunner]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hi Everyone

Below, please see a message from BioWare co-founder Dr. Ray Muzyka in regards to the recent attacks on Jennfer Hepler.

Jennifer is a valued, talented employee who has been with BioWare for many years and we hope will be with us for many more. It is awful that a few people have decided to make her a target for hate and threats, going so far as fabricating forum posts and attributing them to her, and singling her out for projects to which she has not contributed (i.e., Jennifer is not even a part of the Mass Effect writing team). All of us at BioWare support and will continue to support Jennifer fully, and are happy to see so many people out there are also supporting her during this difficult time.

 - Dr. Ray Muzyka. Co-Founder of BioWare; General Manager, BioWare Label; Senior Vice President, Electronic Arts



Additionally we will be making a donation of $1000 in Jennifer's name to Bullying Canada. Please feel free to also donate to this worthy cause in support.

Thank you again to everyone who has supported Jennifer and BioWare in this difficult time.

Dear Jennifer Hepler, Casey Hudson, and Bioware Employees,

I am truly sorry that this has been happening to you.  I believe that the people who have been harrassing and threatening you have taken things way too far.  They have not been given enough credit for all that you've accomplished.  In my personal opinion, I think you guys have done such a wonderful job in bringing us to the lands of Thedas or fighting the Reapers with squadmates like Garrus or Tali by our sides.   I have been a major fan of the Dragon  Age and Mass Effect series since the begining.  In each installment of the series, you've given me the chance to develop the characters that I play into a story that I could control.  In the Mass Effect series, I could play as Commander Matthew Shepard (mainly paragon ofcourse), a colonist plagued by tragedy who quickly became the war hero of the Skylian Blitz.  In ME2, he falls in love with super biotic Jack, who learns to open up to him. 

In Dragon Age Origins, you gave me the chance to play as Auron Cousland, who quickly became the Hero of Ferelden and happily went together with Morrigan into the unknown at the end of the dlc Witch Hunt.  As I played Dragon Age 2 on the Xbox 360, I went on to experience Matthew Hawke's adventures, his romance with Isabella, and make difficult choices as he saw the conflict between the Mages and Templars rise.

Finally, you gave me the ultimate oppurtunity to experience both factions in Star Wars the Old Republic to play both a light sided jedi and a light sided bounty hunter, who will eventually turns on his sith employer to help the Republic chairman at the end of the story.

Even though there were a few glitches I encountered, it still didn't stop me from enjoying the story!  I want to take this time to thank each and every one of you for your efforts to bring us these experiences.  Regardless on what some people say,  you will always have my support and thanks for the games you have given us today.

Sincerely,
Paragongunner
P.S:  Is there a way I can send a copy of this to an address?  I just want to continue sending my support

(also, please don't bash or rip on this post/letter.  I think that enough is enough.  I just want to send my support and condolences)

Modifié par Paragongunner, 02 mars 2012 - 01:18 .