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[SubspaceGirl]

Why join a site and buy the games from a company that you despise and moan about being ****? Do you really not have anything better to do?

[Marionetten]

SubspaceGirl wrote...

I'm not using the gender card. But I can understand why she said what she said.

So can I. In a lapse of judgement she decided to play their game. After all, she's only human and we're emotional creatures. Unfortunately the only winning move is to not play it.

[Minimooo]

Manlytearsuk wrote...

Minimooo wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

She's talentless and incompetent.

Totally deserved all of this.

She's just proof of how much Bioware has fallen.

Yes because HARRASMENT, a serious crime punishable by law, is a viable form of displaying your dislike of someone's ability at their job... 

What is wrong with some people on the internet? <_<

I agree, she is a wonderful person and truely an inspiration to us gamers, I would like to personally wish her well and hopefully she returns to work without the weight of this incident on her shoulders.

-Ignore this post, I made a mistake regarding who I was quoting-

Modifié par Minimooo, 21 février 2012 - 10:12 .

[Ionized Crab]

So, the mods are deleting perfectly good posts without any insults in them just because they're against popular opinion?

Wow.

[Kereanil]

>Jennifer is a valued, talented employee
>talented employee

[Galadreal]

Jennifer is an awesome writer (althoug Anders did make me sad). It is really screwed up that people are attacking her like this. I hope she can keep from getting discouraged by these trolling twits and keep bringing so much life and meaning to the character we love and love to hate. Thank you for supporting her and being awesome in general.

[teh_619]

redBadger14 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Ionized Crab wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

She's talentless and incompetent.

Totally deserved all of this.

She's just proof of how much Bioware has fallen.

I think she's talentless and an awful writer but she doesn't deserve personal insults and slander.

She does but I'll forgive her if she just quits from video games industry.

People don't have to like Hepler's writing but the attacks she received are uncalled for; no one deserves that kind of vitriol. 

Its rediculous how far angry, insecure nerds will go on the internet just to ruin someone. I got about a million things that are better worth their time. For starters, not getting butthurt and taking something completely out of context. Next would actually be searching for a job. After that, moving out of their parent's basement. Etcetera.

Cry me a river or deal with it.

[Ionized Crab]

SubspaceGirl wrote...

Why join a site and buy the games from a company that you despise and moan about being ****? Do you really not have anything better to do?

BECAUSE WE USED TO LOVE THIS COMPANY

IMAGE A NICE SLICE OF CAKE

NOW IMAGE A GIANT COMES OVER AND STEPS ON THAT CAKE, RUINS IT, DESTROYS IT

THATS BIOWARE FOR US

[Draythe]

TheMutant wrote...
There's no way of settling the 'is this a gender/feminism' thing, of course, but I stand firm in my belief that she wouldn't be putting up with a quarter of this nonsense if she had a Y chromosome.

I stand firm in my belief that you are wrong.

[Briiel]

Draythe wrote...

Briiel wrote...

Ok when has calling a person FAT ever been a criticism ???Abuse has never been OK . EVER !
Calling her at home ? NOT OK ! Stalking her on the forums/twitter/etc ?? NOT OK !!Telling her to kill herself ?? NOT OK !! For those of you wanting to argue about what she said in response. I would have said FAR worse had it been me. 

here I will quote some things people should remember and think about.

"Judge not lest Ye be judged and found wanting "
"If you don't have nothing nice to say , Don't say anything at all"

Fat is an adjective. It's not up to debate whether someone is or isn't. It is a valid negative critique of a person's health and appearance. The more extreme behavior shown by Reddit the other night is completely unjustified, but you can't just live in a little fantasy world where you are free from critique. She very easily could have just ignored it.

Is this the only part you can wrap your head around ?? That she should have ignored being called fat on top of all the nasty stuff she has endured ?? If I was bullied and backed into a corner like she was . I wouldn't have turned the other cheek and walked away either.

[Remmak]

MadLaughter wrote...


Here's the difference:

Person A calls her a fat ***** who can't write worth ****.   I hate that person and think they are scum.
Person B (me) thinks that one thing she said was disappointing and, in a moment of weakness, she showed some immaturity.

I don't know for sure if she is an overall arrogant person, but that single line sure was.

There is no difference. A name call is a name call. Whether you swear or not doesn't matter, you're just expressing you're displeasure by saying something hurtful to someone else.

[leeboi2]

I liek Turtlez.

[saMoorai]

Hey, look! Another reason to hate Bioware's fans!

Seriously, this is just terrible. I feel really bad for her, she didn't deserve these kinds of attacks.

[Manlytearsuk]

HelperFan119 wrote...

Manlytearsuk wrote...

Most of these brave keyboard warriors originate from a website called reddit I believe, sadly cyber bullying isn't illegal.

So true, I have already donated $60 to your foundation which I was going to spend on me3.

Thank you for showing me it really isn't worth the weight.

Bless you for your kindness, i'll be sure to add you to my donaters list when my site is up and running.

[Ionized Crab]

It's funny how the only people saying that Hepler is being attacked because she's female are female posters themselves. No one cares if you're female, people just get annoyed when you shove it in everyones faces.

Which Hepler did.

[Pinkflu]

Ionized Crab wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

As disgusting as the attacks may have been I'd argue that trying to turn this into some feminist agenda is even more disgusting. She wasn't targeted by these trolls for her gender. In fact, she was the one who brought gender into the equation.

I agree.

If anything feminism is the real 'cancer'.

Feminism is the greatest civil and human rights movement to ever have existed, and will be the most vital ideology in terms of improving the human condition in the remainder of the twenty-first century.

Rampant, vicious misogyny like that suffered by Hepler is (one of) the 'real cancer(s)'. Yes, people are attacking her for her statements regarding her personal feelings on gaming (which alone is intensely pathetic), but it is incredibly unlikely that the average man making the same statement would face the same level of abuse.

The internet can often be a hostile place, for people of all kinds. However, there is a special, passionate vitriol reserved for women who dare voice unpopular opinions on the web. I would be happy to link you to many examples and blogs in support of this statement, if you wish.

Back on topic; Bioware is deserving of respect and praise in coming out in defence of their unjustly victimised employee. I made a donation to Bullying Canada to also show my support. Good job Bioware. :]

[Deviija]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen, this is absolutely unacceptable.

Thanks for moderating this one so I didn't have to reply to it.  Had absolutely ZERO value beyond justifying bullying and harrassment of Hepler, and whinging about how horrible BioWare is. 

Just a heads up: If people want to give constructive criticism, then give constructive criticism.  But back that up with specifics and explanations.  'This is awful because I don't like it' does not work for any discussion. 

[SubspaceGirl]

Marionetten wrote...

SubspaceGirl wrote...

I'm not using the gender card. But I can understand why she said what she said.

So can I. In a lapse of judgement she decided to play their game. After all, she's only human and we're emotional creatures. Unfortunately the only winning move is to not play it.

Agreed. But something like that cannot be left unfixed. Otherwise the 'trolls' will get what they want. I hate using that word because for some reason, losers sat behind a screen find satisfaction from being recognized as a troll. I think if someone had officially said something before Jennifer had replied then a lot of this could have be prevented. But I only know what I've been told. And I know EXACTLY what people on the internet are like, they say the most horrendous things to randomers and I can safely say if I was in her shoes, I would've said A LOT more than she did. So well done to her. Really.

[Anna Rardin]

leeboi2 wrote...

I liek Turtlez.

me 2

[Aeowyn]

Ionized Crab wrote...

SubspaceGirl wrote...

Why join a site and buy the games from a company that you despise and moan about being ****? Do you really not have anything better to do?

BECAUSE WE USED TO LOVE THIS COMPANY

IMAGE A NICE SLICE OF CAKE

NOW IMAGE A GIANT COMES OVER AND STEPS ON THAT CAKE, RUINS IT, DESTROYS IT

THATS BIOWARE FOR US

Oh boo bloody hoo. Cry me a river will you. "We used to love this company and now I'm going to nerd rage all over their forums because they don't do what I WANT them to do QQ". 

Get over yourself. 

[Remmak]

Marionetten wrote...

SubspaceGirl wrote...

I'm not using the gender card. But I can understand why she said what she said.

So can I. In a lapse of judgement she decided to play their game. After all, she's only human and we're emotional creatures. Unfortunately the only winning move is to not play it.

I prefer to think of it as, the only losing move is to stop making games. And since Bioware seems fond of her, I doubt that'll happen any time soon.

Everything else is noise.

[SubspaceGirl]

Ionized Crab wrote...

SubspaceGirl wrote...

Why join a site and buy the games from a company that you despise and moan about being ****? Do you really not have anything better to do?

BECAUSE WE USED TO LOVE THIS COMPANY

IMAGE A NICE SLICE OF CAKE

NOW IMAGE A GIANT COMES OVER AND STEPS ON THAT CAKE, RUINS IT, DESTROYS IT

THATS BIOWARE FOR US

So leave the site, and stop buying the games. It's really that simple. 

[Ionized Crab]

Pinkflu wrote...

Ionized Crab wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

As disgusting as the attacks may have been I'd argue that trying to turn this into some feminist agenda is even more disgusting. She wasn't targeted by these trolls for her gender. In fact, she was the one who brought gender into the equation.

I agree.

If anything feminism is the real 'cancer'.

Feminism is the greatest civil and human rights movement to ever have existed, and will be the most vital ideology in terms of improving the human condition in the remainder of the twenty-first century.

Rampant, vicious misogyny like that suffered by Hepler is (one of) the 'real cancer(s)'. Yes, people are attacking her for her statements regarding her personal feelings on gaming (which alone is intensely pathetic), but it is incredibly unlikely that the average man making the same statement would face the same level of abuse.

The internet can often be a hostile place, for people of all kinds. However, there is a special, passionate vitriol reserved for women who dare voice unpopular opinions on the web. I would be happy to link you to many examples and blogs in support of this statement, if you wish.

Back on topic; Bioware is deserving of respect and praise in coming out in defence of their unjustly victimised employee. I made a donation to Bullying Canada to also show my support. Good job Bioware. :]

Oh god my sides you're just hilarious today.

People would accept females in gaming if they didn't do the whole LOOK AT ME IM A GRRRL XD I PLAY GAEMS personality. Oh , and when anyone critsizes a writer or someone in the gaming industry who is female it's automatically sexist!!!

Feminism is an awful hypocritical thing.

[Draythe]

It's makes me sad to see the mods did go all North Korea on The Courier's post after all. If they didn't want our input this thread should have been locked from the start. Unless we're all meant to agree with you?

[xvise66]

Remmak wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...


Here's the difference:

Person A calls her a fat ***** who can't write worth ****.   I hate that person and think they are scum.
Person B (me) thinks that one thing she said was disappointing and, in a moment of weakness, she showed some immaturity.

I don't know for sure if she is an overall arrogant person, but that single line sure was.

There is no difference. A name call is a name call. Whether you swear or not doesn't matter, you're just expressing you're displeasure by saying something hurtful to someone else.

So then by that logic Helper is no different from her attackers because they both name called.

SO then I guess bioware should be writing a check out to all the people that she name called since its the same amirite?