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[Chala]

Doofe2012 wrote...

Microsoft is just f***ing up big time when it comes to this game, aren't they?

I'm pretty sure that they didn't take well the idea of losing an exclusive.

[GnusmasTHX]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Statues can always be false, or statues could have been in fact a different species and people just thought they where prothean. Also prothean can in fact not be a race but a group of different aliens. We will know when ME3 comes out

No, the statues were meant to be Prothean, and so were the visions. That's why they resembled each other. BioWare claims they designed the statues to be ambiguous, to basically make room for a retcon, which they did. Development-wise however, the statues were Protheans during ME1 and ME2. The Art of the Mass Effect Universe basically says as much.

The Prothean in ME3 was designed backwards from the Collector's in ME2.

So a retcon.

in order to be a retcon it had to have been SPECIFICALLY, OFFICIALLY announced. Which the statues never were. While I agree the statues were probably at first meant to be the Protheans, it was never specifically said by bioware that they were so not a retcon. Unless the art book says that they were Protheans speciafically (i don't have the art book)

First of all, no it doesn't. Look up the meaning. More over no creator has to say anything about anything. Grounds for retcon can be fully within the subject matter itself. 

Second, the artbook does say the statues on Ilos are Protheans.

"The Prothean statues on Ilos in the original Mass Effect were visually ambiguous, because we were never sure how much of the Protheans we would show over the course of the trilogy. By the time Mass Effect 3 came around..."

The part that makes it a retcon is that they weren't ambiguous at all. The Prothean statues on Ilos matched the visions in the beacon, wherein the species become Collector's. Now that the ME3 Prothean has been revealed, it resembles neither the beings in the visions that were turned into Collector's, nor the statues on Ilos.

It continues to say that the Protheans were made after the Collector's, which appeared and were created for Mass Effect 2, therefore the statues and visions in ME1 had no bearing on their design. Retconned.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 21 février 2012 - 11:26 .

[legion999]

Omega-202 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

What bothers me the most, is that the demo has loads of audi files from this squadmate. It's clearly content that has been cut, just so that it can be sold as DLC on day-1. 

This I agree with.  

Zaeed and Kasumi were perfectly justified.  Zaeed was done to discourage resales even though he was done for release and he was free to all new copies.  Kasumi wasn't ready for the release date.

Prothy is a straight up money grab.  Its unashamed, unabashed greed.  I have no problem with any of ME2's DLC, not even the weapon or outfit packs.  But this "From Ashes" pack is disgraceful.  There's no logical argument that anyone at BioWare can make to have this sounds fair.  

And they can't pull the "he wasn't ready before we went gold" argument because the leaked advertisement showed that he was always planned for day 1 DLC.  Its shameful.  

This is the one thing I don't understand. Why isn't this in the main game? It's Day one DLC that even if you buy a new copy for (unless it's the CE) you don't get for free. And from what I've heard he's quite tied into the plot (may not be true just what I heard). This as you said is greed pure and simple, there's no reason for it not to be in the game.

[nitefyre410]

Omega-202 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

What bothers me the most, is that the demo has loads of audi files from this squadmate. It's clearly content that has been cut, just so that it can be sold as DLC on day-1. 

This I agree with.  

Zaeed and Kasumi were perfectly justified.  Zaeed was done to discourage resales even though he was done for release and he was free to all new copies.  Kasumi wasn't ready for the release date.

Prothy is a straight up money grab.  Its unashamed, unabashed greed.  I have no problem with any of ME2's DLC, not even the weapon or outfit packs.  But this "From Ashes" pack is disgraceful.  There's no logical argument that anyone at BioWare can make to have this sounds fair.  

And they can't pull the "he wasn't ready before we went gold" argument because the leaked advertisement showed that he was always planned for day 1 DLC.  Its shameful.  

 

Now  that is  rather interesting and legit  point... .Yes its a money grab and BIoware part, they know it. Is it underhanded...eehh yeah depending on how look at it.     Its the nature of the beast now  

What  Bioware has to learn is that if  are going to play these type of games... try to keep these things under wraps better this is second time happpen  something being leaked over Xbox live.   


Either way... I'm not upset ... it is what it  is.

[STARKILLER423]

Mendelevosa wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

All this time I had hoped there wouldn't be a Prothean squadmate. And now there is.

I no longer see the Reapers as the huge threat they used to be. I find this sloppy. Very sloppy.

There better be a darn good reason as to why this Prothean exists. And when I say darn good I want a really really really darn good explanation. If they fail at that, I'll just disregard this DLC. There's simply no justification for a living Prothean.

So one Prothean can destroy the entire reaper fleet?...
EDIT: If you don't like it don't get it...simple as that

Well in case you forgot, the Reapers completely missed the Protheans on Ilos. Therefore, your feelings for the Reapers should have changed a while back.

That is not the one prothean that is the squadmate. That was a team of Prothean scientist that survived their cycle. Different people entirely

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

The PLC wrote...

Seriously, WHY THE ****, is such a major thing as a live Prothean a piece of DLC? Are you actually trying to make people hate you as much as possible at this point, Bioware?

I have to agree with this. I mean, it's a living species from the previous cycle for christ's sake... How is that not at least somewhat integral to the main plot of ANY mass effect game?

The fact it's been turned into DLC also has me wondering if it will flop horrendously and just be a huge joke.

[TK EL_]

I'm confused. Would people have preferred if this stayed as a CE exclusive? Because that is what it was before

[flexxdk]

Oh, will you please stop re-posting my old comment? People might actually reply on that and I'll have a lot of explaining to do... 

I already have seen the errors of my ways. 

[Tazzmission]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

All this time I had hoped there wouldn't be a Prothean squadmate. And now there is.

I no longer see the Reapers as the huge threat they used to be. I find this sloppy. Very sloppy.

There better be a darn good reason as to why this Prothean exists. And when I say darn good I want a really really really darn good explanation. If they fail at that, I'll just disregard this DLC. There's simply no justification for a living Prothean.

So one Prothean can destroy the entire reaper fleet?...
EDIT: If you don't like it don't get it...simple as that

Well in case you forgot, the Reapers completely missed the Protheans on Ilos. Therefore, your feelings for the Reapers should have changed a while back.

That is not the one prothean that is the squadmate. That was a team of Prothean scientist that survived their cycle. Different people entirely

exactly! also prothy has a purpose according to the script and no i wont pm what it is because its something people need to see for themselves

[DrAbysmal]

Doofe2012 wrote...

Microsoft is just f***ing up big time when it comes to this game, aren't they?

Can't get on Microsoft's case too much about this one when EA did a good job immediately spoiling it last year as soon as the CE was announced with "Day 1 DLC - The Prothean (Adventure/Character)" in the list of features.

[CptBomBom00]

its like I would turn Reapers or Cerberus into DLC.

[Illusive]

Why did they change the name from "From Dust" to "From Ashes"?

[Legendaryred]

Can't wait 2 weeks for the full game >. They should release the game already if DLC is comming out already booo.

[sackyhack]

I got the N7 edition so it doesn't bother me. I just hope he's not a half-assed squadmate like Zaeed or Kasumi where they had one cool mission and then just randomized dialogue afterwards.

[STARKILLER423]

Legendaryred wrote...

Can't wait 2 weeks for the full game >. They should release the game already if DLC is comming out already booo.

it wasn't meant to be released yet. MS already took it down

[nevar00]

People defending this being DLC aren't fooling anyone.

You have content that obviously in the game that was cut and is now being sold for an extra $60. Whether you are happy there's a Prothean squadmate or not, we should all be able to agree that this is an outrage, and is just insulting. I bought the CE so I'm getting this already anyway, but it doesn't change the fact that the gaming industry has become such a money-hungry monster that it's really just sad to see how far things have fallen.

[riddick 116]

TK EL wrote...

I'm confused. Would people have preferred if this stayed as a CE exclusive? Because that is what it was before

No it wasnt, dont act like an idiot. This is EA were talking about, they would go after any kind of money they can get. 

And seriously what game has ever came out that had significant dlc (like actual missions) that was only released 
 to CE?

[Josh123914]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Seriously, WHY THE ****, is such a major thing as a live Prothean a piece of DLC? Are you actually trying to make people hate you as much as possible at this point, Bioware?

I have to agree with this. I mean, it's a living species from the previous cycle for christ's sake... How is that not at least somewhat integral to the main plot of ANY mass effect game?

The fact it's been turned into DLC also has me wondering if it will flop horrendously and just be a huge joke.

This is ridiculous, I mean this would be like them holding fackin' Legion over our heads as paid DLC from the sounds of it, although the more I think about it, the more I feel like maybe the retail copies will come with a code that lets you buy this for free, because from what I've heard this is packaged up with the CE, so I don't see why normal copies wouldn't get something similar, I would assume this is more akin to a ''Zaeed'', but with actual conversations and a handy plotline to deal with in the 3rd Act.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

After hearing the prothean voice, I'm glad I won't be forced to have him in my game.

[nitefyre410]

TK EL wrote...

I'm confused. Would people have preferred if this stayed as a CE exclusive? Because that is what it was before

 

Thats the way that I'm looking at it but I can understand why they are pissed off..  its not like the Protheans are some  side player race. They are THE  race that has the most knowledge of the  Reapers it a little crazy that a character   that is the last survivor of the race is regulated to a DLC /CE   character.

[Lancelot Albion]

This DLC should have been treated similar to the Cereberus Network/Zaeed free with all brand new purchases regardless if you have the CE or not. If you have to purchase it separately whats the point of getting the game day 1?

Modifié par Lancelot X, 21 février 2012 - 11:27 .

[Guanxii]

How is it a money grab or withholding content.... it is part of the N7 collector's edition.
 
If you don't want to pay for the full N7 collector's edition or couldn't get hold of one they are giving you the opportunity to pay for it separately. It's entirely optional.

As such people who would HATE this content can ignore it without having it forced into their game and otherwise completely ruining their experience.

Modifié par Guanxii, 21 février 2012 - 11:34 .