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[The Elder King]

N7Raider wrote...

hhh89 wrote...



I'd prefer to be pessimist about that. It could be that the "temporary" status will be like Mordin's role on Sur'kesh, and not like Liara  on LOTSB (I think it's more likely the former than the latter).

but don't you get Mordin as a squad member like you got Liara in LoTSB on Tuchanka?  

I don't know about that. From the Tuchanka part of the mission that Bioware showed at the VGA last December, the squadmate were Vega and Garrus.

Mike Shepard wrote...


I think they'll be different.
Some might be like Mordin others might be more like Liara. Miranda for
instance might help you take down TIM (if that's possible) while Legion
we saw in an E3 Demo driving a tank.

Legion driving a tank doesn't mean that we can use him as a temporary squadmate though.
I hope you're right, but I prefer to be pessimist and think that all the ME2 squadmate will not be usable as squadmate. I'll not be disappointed if that's right, and I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

[PlumPaul93]

Tazzmission wrote...not true. if you read the leaked script you would know otherwise.

Let's hope that's still true, he's too important to only be available thru DLC.

[Guanxii]

mauro2222 wrote...See closer, they have squid faces, unless the Protheans wanted to send some random video about some random species being killed.

Is it not possible that the statues on Ilos could be of the species who came before the Protheans, either the Arthenn or the Inusannon for example who the protheans may have revered as we do them?

[Tazzmission]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...not true. if you read the leaked script you would know otherwise.

Let's hope that's still true, he's too important to only be available thru DLC.

trust me hes important.

what im thinking is maybe him being dlc will just somehow make him playable wile if you dont get him he could be npc :shrugs:

[The Elder King]

Mr.Toast wrote...

ACWolfe wrote...
[...]
If you don't get Mr. P, the list is down to 6. If only Garrus died and not Tali (or the other way around), you get just 5. If both died, your squad only consists of 4. That's... a really, really small squad; smaller than ME1, even. Wow. [...]

Not true, in ME1 it is possible to not  recruit Garrus and Wrex, so that would be 4 as well, and after Virmire only 3.

And to have Garrus and/or Tali dead in ME3 you have to import a ME2 character, so you know what you do and accept your decisions.

New players who doesnt played ME2 will have Garrus and Tali (unless it is possible to flag them as dead in the character creation, I dont know), but they normally wont have to deal with a "only 4 person squad".

It'd have been your decision to not recruit Garrus and Wrex in ME. In ME3, you can't recruit more than 4 person if Tali and Garrus are dead  and if you're not willing to pay extra for the CE or the dlc.

[N7Raider]

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Siddan wrote...

OT perhaps, but how come the Prothean resemble a collector so much? From what I remember, the Prothean statues on Ilos looked more like "squid faced" husks :s

Because it's a retcon.

How is it a retcon when we had absolutely no idea what the protheans looked like to begin with?  

Shepard's visions. And not only their looks, but their "Empire" too.

That means absolutely nothing, we were never once told that the protheans had squid faces.  Now if it had been implied that they had squid faces than maybe it would be retcon, but we were never told what those statues were none of the characters in game even ever guessed at what they were, it can't be retcon when nothing was ever established.  

See closer, they have squid faces, unless the Protheans wanted to send some random video about some random species being killed.

the fact that they have squid faces is irrelevant, you're claiming that it's retcon that protheans look like collectors, but the fact of the matter is we were never once shown a prothean before, it was never even implied that we had seen a prothean before.  You're basing this off the statues on Ilos but we were never told what those statues were, there were never any theories in game as to what those statues were, nothing was ever established so it can not be retcon.  

[mauro2222]

N7Raider wrote...

the fact that they have squid faces is irrelevant, you're claiming that it's retcon that protheans look like collectors, but the fact of the matter is we were never once shown a prothean before, it was never even implied that we had seen a prothean before.  You're basing this off the statues on Ilos but we were never told what those statues were, there were never any theories in game as to what those statues were, nothing was ever established so it can not be retcon.  

I never talked about the statues, I said "PROTHEAN BEACON".

[Corpsegrindr895]

seems like getting a CE is pointless since SE owners get that DLC anyways, in that case I WANT THE COLLECTOR ARMOR AND RIFLE ON THE MARKETPLACE NOW

[PsychoWARD23]

Corpsegrindr895 wrote...

seems like getting a CE is pointless since SE owners get that DLC anyways, in that case I WANT THE COLLECTOR ARMOR AND RIFLE ON THE MARKETPLACE NOW

Squadmate =/= Armor and a weapon

[Mr.Toast]

hhh89 wrote...

Mr.Toast wrote...

ACWolfe wrote...
[...]
If you don't get Mr. P, the list is down to 6. If only Garrus died and not Tali (or the other way around), you get just 5. If both died, your squad only consists of 4. That's... a really, really small squad; smaller than ME1, even. Wow. [...]

Not true, in ME1 it is possible to not  recruit Garrus and Wrex, so that would be 4 as well, and after Virmire only 3.

And to have Garrus and/or Tali dead in ME3 you have to import a ME2 character, so you know what you do and accept your decisions.

New players who doesnt played ME2 will have Garrus and Tali (unless it is possible to flag them as dead in the character creation, I dont know), but they normally wont have to deal with a "only 4 person squad".

It'd have been your decision to not recruit Garrus and Wrex in ME. In ME3, you can't recruit more than 4 person if Tali and Garrus are dead  and if you're not willing to pay extra for the CE or the dlc.

Yes, it is your decision to not recruit them in ME1 as well as it is your decision to let them die in ME2, dont see the problem with that.

Modifié par Mr.Toast, 22 février 2012 - 12:56 .

[tomorrowstation]

Corpsegrindr895 wrote...

seems like getting a CE is pointless since SE owners get that DLC anyways, in that case I WANT THE COLLECTOR ARMOR AND RIFLE ON THE MARKETPLACE NOW

CE owners get the alt squad armors, gun skins, patch, book, freakin' robo dog and a hoodie.  Doubt any of that will go XBL Marketplace.

Modifié par tomorrowstation, 22 février 2012 - 12:56 .

[N7Raider]

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

the fact that they have squid faces is irrelevant, you're claiming that it's retcon that protheans look like collectors, but the fact of the matter is we were never once shown a prothean before, it was never even implied that we had seen a prothean before.  You're basing this off the statues on Ilos but we were never told what those statues were, there were never any theories in game as to what those statues were, nothing was ever established so it can not be retcon.  

I never talked about the statues, I said "PROTHEAN BEACON".

you never said beacon you said vision, besides the statues on Ilos are the same statues in the vision.  Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that we were never told what those statues were nor was it ever hinted at what Protheans looked like.  

[Crackseed]

Yeah, Bioware has actually done a good job before ME3 with their DLC characters. Anyone who played DA:O and got Shale for example will know this. Shale was DLC but definitely integrated incredibly well into the main storyline and even changed up some of the major lore scenes like the quests down in Orzammar.

[Mike Shepard]

hhh89 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

hhh89 wrote...



I'd prefer to be pessimist about that. It could be that the "temporary" status will be like Mordin's role on Sur'kesh, and not like Liara  on LOTSB (I think it's more likely the former than the latter).

but don't you get Mordin as a squad member like you got Liara in LoTSB on Tuchanka?  

I don't know about that. From the Tuchanka part of the mission that Bioware showed at the VGA last December, the squadmate were Vega and Garrus.

Mike Shepard wrote...


I think they'll be different.
Some might be like Mordin others might be more like Liara. Miranda for
instance might help you take down TIM (if that's possible) while Legion
we saw in an E3 Demo driving a tank.

Legion driving a tank doesn't mean that we can use him as a temporary squadmate though.
I hope you're right, but I prefer to be pessimist and think that all the ME2 squadmate will not be usable as squadmate. I'll not be disappointed if that's right, and I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

but re-read my quote. I said Miranda might join you ('help you') take down TIM while Legion was seen driving that tank. I was giving an example of  a (possible) temp squadmate situation for a ME2 character and contrasting it against one that seems to be not a temporary squadmate situation for a ME2 character.

[mauro2222]

N7Raider wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

the fact that they have squid faces is irrelevant, you're claiming that it's retcon that protheans look like collectors, but the fact of the matter is we were never once shown a prothean before, it was never even implied that we had seen a prothean before.  You're basing this off the statues on Ilos but we were never told what those statues were, there were never any theories in game as to what those statues were, nothing was ever established so it can not be retcon.  

I never talked about the statues, I said "PROTHEAN BEACON".

you never said beacon you said vision, besides the statues on Ilos are the same statues in the vision.  Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that we were never told what those statues were nor was it ever hinted at what Protheans looked like.  

Jesus Christ! PROTHEAN BEACON + MESSAGE = SHEPARD VISION

You're seriously blind.

Modifié par mauro2222, 22 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[The Elder King]

Mr.Toast wrote...



Yes, it is your decision to not recruit them in ME1 as well as it is your decision to let them die in ME2, dont see the problem with that.

In ME, you made that decision during the same game. This time, you don't have the freedom to recruit them, since it's a decision you took in the previous game, withouth knowing that it'll bite your back later.
I don't care much, since they're alive in my games, and I like them, but people who don't like them and let them die, or people who don't metagame/fail the SM in some way the first, time will have the squad reduced. It's not fair in my opinion to choose two squad members that may be dead withouth having some replacement for them.
It'd have been better to make new squad members.

[The Elder King]

Mike Shepard wrote...


but re-read my quote. I said Miranda might join you ('help you') take down TIM while Legion was seen driving that tank. I was giving an example of  a (possible) temp squadmate situation for a ME2 character and contrasting it against one that seems to be not a temporary squadmate situation for a ME2 character.

Ok, sorry. I misread your posy.

[R3DKL0UD]

So instead of $60, I actually have to pay $70 to play the complete game (especially considering this would be one of the most important characters in the game)?

Shady tatics gets you a shady reputation.

Right back at you EA/Bioware, I'll be buying this used.

[kingsims]

Guys don't compare this character to zaeed or kasumi. He is more like Shale in DA:O so that means he is fully interactive on board the normandy or has a big storyline (take shale to orzammar and you ll see what i mean, she has very unique dialogue). Still $10 is very expensive

[Illusive]

It seems strange that of all characters to use as DLC, they choose the one that may be most integral to the story. I think someone like Vega would have been better suited if they absolutely had to have DLC character + mission.

[N7Raider]

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

the fact that they have squid faces is irrelevant, you're claiming that it's retcon that protheans look like collectors, but the fact of the matter is we were never once shown a prothean before, it was never even implied that we had seen a prothean before.  You're basing this off the statues on Ilos but we were never told what those statues were, there were never any theories in game as to what those statues were, nothing was ever established so it can not be retcon.  

I never talked about the statues, I said "PROTHEAN BEACON".

you never said beacon you said vision, besides the statues on Ilos are the same statues in the vision.  Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that we were never told what those statues were nor was it ever hinted at what Protheans looked like.  

Jesus Christ! PROTHEAN BEACON + MESSAGE = SHEPARD VISION

You're seriously blind.

Ya know what genius why don't you point out to me at what point we were EVER told those were protheans?  At what point did any character ever tell us this tidbit of information?  I try to have a civil discussion here and of course this is the crap it unfolds into, if anyone's "blind" here it's you, we were never told these were protheans it was never even implied simple as that what part of that can you not understand?  Whether it's the statues or the vision doesn't matter for sh!t, we were never told these statues were protheans simple as that.  Here's the definition for retcon you obviously need it.  

Modifié par N7Raider, 22 février 2012 - 01:12 .

[kidbd15]

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

the fact that they have squid faces is irrelevant, you're claiming that it's retcon that protheans look like collectors, but the fact of the matter is we were never once shown a prothean before, it was never even implied that we had seen a prothean before.  You're basing this off the statues on Ilos but we were never told what those statues were, there were never any theories in game as to what those statues were, nothing was ever established so it can not be retcon.  

I never talked about the statues, I said "PROTHEAN BEACON".

you never said beacon you said vision, besides the statues on Ilos are the same statues in the vision.  Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that we were never told what those statues were nor was it ever hinted at what Protheans looked like.  

Jesus Christ! PROTHEAN BEACON + MESSAGE = SHEPARD VISION

You're seriously blind.

IF the squid type beings are not Protheans, THEN the squid beings should be explained as to who or what they are.  IF they are not explained, THEN evidence points that they were Protheans and the Protheans were indeed RETCONNED.

For me it's pretty simple, Prothean appearance was retconned, which sucks.

[STARKILLER423]

kidbd15 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

the fact that they have squid faces is irrelevant, you're claiming that it's retcon that protheans look like collectors, but the fact of the matter is we were never once shown a prothean before, it was never even implied that we had seen a prothean before.  You're basing this off the statues on Ilos but we were never told what those statues were, there were never any theories in game as to what those statues were, nothing was ever established so it can not be retcon.  

I never talked about the statues, I said "PROTHEAN BEACON".

you never said beacon you said vision, besides the statues on Ilos are the same statues in the vision.  Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that we were never told what those statues were nor was it ever hinted at what Protheans looked like.  

Jesus Christ! PROTHEAN BEACON + MESSAGE = SHEPARD VISION

You're seriously blind.

IF the squid type beings are not Protheans, THEN the squid beings should be explained as to who or what they are.  IF they are not explained, THEN evidence points that they were Protheans and the Protheans were indeed RETCONNED.

For me it's pretty simple, Prothean appearance was retconned, which sucks.

That is the golden part of this conversation. Have you played the game? No. They could very well be explained in the game. Bioware did say that they are answering all our question and wraping everything up. And there are people that have read the leak (I am NOT one of them) That say that they are explained.

[mauro2222]

N7Raider wrote...

Ya know what genius why don't you point out to me at what point we were EVER told those were protheans?  At what point did any character ever tell us this tidbit of information?  I try to have a civil discussion here and of course this is the crap it unfolds into, if anyone's "blind" here it's you, we were never told these were protheans it was never even implied simple as that what part of that can you not understand?  Whether it's the statues or the vision doesn't matter for sh!t, we were never told these statues were protheans simple as that.  Here's the definition for retcon you obviously need it.  

Oh yeah, the Protheans wanted to send some random video about some random species being killed.

Sadistic Protheans, they were all sick.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

crackseed wrote...

Yeah, Bioware has actually done a good job before ME3 with their DLC characters. Anyone who played DA:O and got Shale for example will know this. Shale was DLC but definitely integrated incredibly well into the main storyline and even changed up some of the major lore scenes like the quests down in Orzammar.

I loved that about Shale, it was well done.

I think people need to stop the doom and gloom and just wait for the game to come out and decide then if something is bad about it. The demo can leave an impression, but a full game can always improve.