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[rumbalumba]

this reminds me of Cellular companies charging $10 for Call Waiting and Caller ID. like, seriously.

[STARKILLER423]

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I will never buy this DLC... Over my dead body man.

Now all I can do is criticize their policy that I find abusive. You know, I every responsible consumer did this, the world would be much better.

But not every one feels this way. Are you also ready to tolerate the other side? Or are they just Bioware defenders that are stupid and wrong? Not saying that you believe this of course but most people on this forum attack others for different points of view.

Then let's debate this like civilised persons. You are the one trying to kill every understanding between the two sides of the opinion with your "DONT LIKE DAT DONT BUY DAT LOL."

So? It's not permited to not buy the DLC and complain about the policy at the same time? 

You know, things are not as simple as "don't buy it lol"

Did you read my other posts? I stated my opinions on when I felt this was ok and when I didn't A few pages back I also presented the other side that the prothean might not be as important as everyone is making him out to be 

[Mclouvins]

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I will never buy this DLC... Over my dead body man.

Now all I can do is criticize their policy that I find abusive. You know, I every responsible consumer did this, the world would be much better.

But not every one feels this way. Are you also ready to tolerate the other side? Or are they just Bioware defenders that are stupid and wrong? Not saying that you believe this of course but most people on this forum attack others for different points of view.

Then let's debate this like civilised persons. You are the one trying to kill every understanding between the two sides of the opinion with your "DONT LIKE DAT DONT BUY DAT LOL."

So? It's not permited to not buy the DLC and complain about the policy at the same time? 

You know, things are not as simple as "don't buy it lol"

Except that it really is. DLC like everything else is based on market forces and the rate of return. The only way to stop its production is by altering the market conditions via lower consumption. Of course that would lead not to an inclusion of all the dlc but to the content being left on the cutting room floor like a lot of pre-high speed internet content was.

[The Executioner]

I'm not buying it i just spent big bucks on the game and stategy guide, there are limits to these things.

[drak4806.2]

I'll be fine with this if Prothy is not essential to the game and ME3 wasn't designed to include him. For example if someone thought that it would be cool to have Prothy halfway through development. And i hope like previous comments suggested that he will be like Shale in DAO.

[WeWant]

Mclouvins wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I will never buy this DLC... Over my dead body man.

Now all I can do is criticize their policy that I find abusive. You know, I every responsible consumer did this, the world would be much better.

But not every one feels this way. Are you also ready to tolerate the other side? Or are they just Bioware defenders that are stupid and wrong? Not saying that you believe this of course but most people on this forum attack others for different points of view.

Then let's debate this like civilised persons. You are the one trying to kill every understanding between the two sides of the opinion with your "DONT LIKE DAT DONT BUY DAT LOL."

So? It's not permited to not buy the DLC and complain about the policy at the same time? 

You know, things are not as simple as "don't buy it lol"

Except that it really is. DLC like everything else is based on market forces and the rate of return. The only way to stop its production is by altering the market conditions via lower consumption. Of course that would lead not to an inclusion of all the dlc but to the content being left on the cutting room floor like a lot of pre-high speed internet content was.

Well we are talking about content that was cut from the main product here. In cases like this, it's less likely that this content would be left on the cutting room since.. It has been judged worth of beinf sold for 10$ DAY ONE.

It's not like LOTSB, where the content was truly ADDITIONAL. Developed AFTER ME2 in order to add/fix stuf the may have missed during the deadline.

[kingsims]

I think the issue is if the character was a Human Vega/Kaiden Character then most people wouldn't really care but to have a prothean which was cut from the game is just sad really (he should have been a Zaeed or shale, where all new and pre-order copies get him free of charge)

The only thing you get for buying new is the multiplayer and ANN daily feeds (this is irrelevant on the xbox if you don't have xbox live gold anyway since no gold means no multiplayer anyway) and some people have already stated they don't care about the MP.

Id honestly they rather made prothy an incentive for pre-ordering any Mass effect 3 copy like the M-55.

Modifié par kingsims, 22 février 2012 - 06:33 .

[rwilli80]

I don't get why everyone thinks this is a goof, could it be possible that Bioware/EA are working with Microsoft to release the DLC because they are supposed "launching" game discs with weather balloons so fans can get the game early?

[LinksOcarina]

Mclouvins wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I will never buy this DLC... Over my dead body man.

Now all I can do is criticize their policy that I find abusive. You know, I every responsible consumer did this, the world would be much better.

But not every one feels this way. Are you also ready to tolerate the other side? Or are they just Bioware defenders that are stupid and wrong? Not saying that you believe this of course but most people on this forum attack others for different points of view.

Then let's debate this like civilised persons. You are the one trying to kill every understanding between the two sides of the opinion with your "DONT LIKE DAT DONT BUY DAT LOL."

So? It's not permited to not buy the DLC and complain about the policy at the same time? 

You know, things are not as simple as "don't buy it lol"

Except that it really is. DLC like everything else is based on market forces and the rate of return. The only way to stop its production is by altering the market conditions via lower consumption. Of course that would lead not to an inclusion of all the dlc but to the content being left on the cutting room floor like a lot of pre-high speed internet content was.

This.

And since the DLC is a day one purchase that was obviously planned because it was a part of the Collectors Edition of the game, chances are it was something that was left out of the main development and will cater to it being extra stuff.

Key word here is extra, there is no way Bioware or any company for that matter, would jepordize a game franchise that hinges on a DLC deal. So if you don't want to use the Prothean or buy the DLC, it will not affect the game. That would be suicidal if it did and you NEED the character to beat the game. 

One more thing I want to point out as well. Bioware has done this four times before, with Zaeed, Shale, Sebastian, and now the Prothean. You got Shale and Zaeed for free when signing up for the S/N, but people ****ed about that because they felt they were being nickeled and dimed. So then the policy changed, we won't force a sign-up but well offer them as DLC, this is what Sebastian was for Dragon Age II, and what the Prothean will be for Mass Effect 3. 

So people complained when it was given out as incentive to buy the game new, and people complained when they had to pay for it new. Either way, its a catch-22 here which I find ironic, because people still bought it and it was still worth it, given the amount of extra content in all of their packs.

So honestly, no one has the right to complain about this, because it was pretty much public knowledge that a extra character was available for the collectors edition of the game. Of course if you want it for free thats how you get it, paying ten dollars more at the counter (the cost of the DLC anyway) for the pre-order to begin with. 

In fact, now that I look at it, the Collectors Edition will cost $79.99, so $10 for From Ashes and $10 from the other extras, the artbook and soundtrack, are not a bad deal in the end. But still, its the same price no matter how you slice it. 

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but stop moaning about it because you knew it was coming anyway and no one is really spending more than someone else here on launch. In the end. it's just DLC, I chose to pay more for the game by preordering a collectors edition of it because I was interested in the artbook and the character, you can choose to not buy DLC for the very same reason. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 22 février 2012 - 06:36 .

[drak4806.2]

rwilli80 wrote...

I don't get why everyone thinks this is a goof, could it be possible that Bioware/EA are working with Microsoft to release the DLC because they are supposed "launching" game discs with weather balloons so fans can get the game early?

Because when you try to buy it you can't complete the transaction anymore.

[STARKILLER423]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I will never buy this DLC... Over my dead body man.

Now all I can do is criticize their policy that I find abusive. You know, I every responsible consumer did this, the world would be much better.

But not every one feels this way. Are you also ready to tolerate the other side? Or are they just Bioware defenders that are stupid and wrong? Not saying that you believe this of course but most people on this forum attack others for different points of view.

Then let's debate this like civilised persons. You are the one trying to kill every understanding between the two sides of the opinion with your "DONT LIKE DAT DONT BUY DAT LOL."

So? It's not permited to not buy the DLC and complain about the policy at the same time? 

You know, things are not as simple as "don't buy it lol"

Key word here is extra, there is no way Bioware or any company for that matter, would jepordize a game franchise that hinges on a DLC deal. So if you don't want to use the Prothean or buy the DLC, it will not affect the game. That would be suicidal if it did and you NEED the character to beat the game. 

This was pretty much my point. I believe that it is fine to offer an exclusive character to the CE or a DLC character as long as they are not vital to the story. When they try to make you buy a character extra because he has a MAJOR impact on the story is when I feel it would be wrong.

[Mclouvins]

LinksOcarina wrote...

This.

And since the DLC is a day one purchase that was obviously planned because it was a part of the Collectors Edition of the game, chances are it was something that was left out of the main development and will cater to it being extra stuff.

Key word here is extra, there is no way Bioware or any company for that matter, would jepordize a game franchise that hinges on a DLC deal. So if you don't want to use the Prothean or buy the DLC, it will not affect the game. That would be suicidal if it did and you NEED the character to beat the game. 

One more thing I want to point out as well. Bioware has done this four times before, with Zaeed, Shale, Sebastian, and now the Prothean. You got Shale and Zaeed for free when signing up for the S/N, but people ****ed about that because they felt they were being nickeled and dimed. So then the policy changed, we won't force a sign-up but well offer them as DLC, this is what Sebastian was for Dragon Age II, and what the Prothean will be for Mass Effect 3. 

So people complained when it was given out as incentive to buy the game new, and people complained when they had to pay for it new. Either way, its a catch-22 here which I find ironic, because people still bought it and it was still worth it, given the amount of extra content in all of their packs.

So honestly, no one has the right to complain about this, because it was pretty much public knowledge that a extra character was available for the collectors edition of the game. Of course if you want it for free thats how you get it, paying ten dollars more at the counter (the cost of the DLC anyway) for the pre-order to begin with. 

In fact, now that I look at it, the Collectors Edition will cost $79.99, so $10 for From Ashes and $10 from the other extras, the artbook and soundtrack, are not a bad deal in the end. But still, its the same price no matter how you slice it. 

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but stop moaning about it because you knew it was coming anyway and no one is really spending more than someone else here on launch. In the end. it's just DLC, I chose to pay more for the game by preordering a collectors edition of it because I was interested in the artbook and the character, you can choose to not buy DLC for the very same reason. 

Thank you, somebody who sees that labeling this as pure day-1 dlc is misleading on its face. Bioware made a decision to include in-game bonus for their collector's edition instead of making some crappy plastic dragon or other such swag as a bonus and as an incentive. They could have easily left the character limited to the CE but they didn't, giving consumers the option to purchase the character or not to do so.

Modifié par Mclouvins, 22 février 2012 - 06:41 .

[WeWant]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I will never buy this DLC... Over my dead body man.

Now all I can do is criticize their policy that I find abusive. You know, I every responsible consumer did this, the world would be much better.

But not every one feels this way. Are you also ready to tolerate the other side? Or are they just Bioware defenders that are stupid and wrong? Not saying that you believe this of course but most people on this forum attack others for different points of view.

Then let's debate this like civilised persons. You are the one trying to kill every understanding between the two sides of the opinion with your "DONT LIKE DAT DONT BUY DAT LOL."

So? It's not permited to not buy the DLC and complain about the policy at the same time? 

You know, things are not as simple as "don't buy it lol"

Except that it really is. DLC like everything else is based on market forces and the rate of return. The only way to stop its production is by altering the market conditions via lower consumption. Of course that would lead not to an inclusion of all the dlc but to the content being left on the cutting room floor like a lot of pre-high speed internet content was.

This.

And since the DLC is a day one purchase that was obviously planned because it was a part of the Collectors Edition of the game, chances are it was something that was left out of the main development and will cater to it being extra stuff.

Key word here is extra, there is no way Bioware or any company for that matter, would jepordize a game franchise that hinges on a DLC deal. So if you don't want to use the Prothean or buy the DLC, it will not affect the game. That would be suicidal if it did and you NEED the character to beat the game. 

One more thing I want to point out as well. Bioware has done this four times before, with Zaeed, Shale, Sebastian, and now the Prothean. You got Shale and Zaeed for free when signing up for the S/N, but people ****ed about that because they felt they were being nickeled and dimed. So then the policy changed, we won't force a sign-up but well offer them as DLC, this is what Sebastian was for Dragon Age II, and what the Prothean will be for Mass Effect 3. 

So people complained when it was given out as incentive to buy the game new, and people complained when they had to pay for it new. Either way, its a catch-22 here which I find ironic, because people still bought it and it was still worth it, given the amount of extra content in all of their packs.

So honestly, no one has the right to complain about this, because it was pretty much public knowledge that a extra character was available for the collectors edition of the game. Of course if you want it for free thats how you get it, paying ten dollars more at the counter (the cost of the DLC anyway) for the pre-order to begin with. 

In fact, now that I look at it, the Collectors Edition will cost $79.99, so $10 for From Ashes and $10 from the other extras, the artbook and soundtrack, are not a bad deal in the end. But still, its the same price no matter how you slice it. 

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but stop moaning about it because you knew it was coming anyway and no one is really spending more than someone else here on launch. In the end. it's just DLC, I chose to pay more for the game by preordering a collectors edition of it because I was interested in the artbook and the character, you can choose to not buy DLC for the very same reason. 

A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I don't see it on XBL

800pts? sadness. I only have about 650 left. Oh well. Will save

[Mclouvins]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

This was pretty much my point. I believe that it is fine to offer an exclusive character to the CE or a DLC character as long as they are not vital to the story. When they try to make you buy a character extra because he has a MAJOR impact on the story is when I feel it would be wrong.

^This as well. People are getting all bent out of shape simply because he is a Prothean. Unless he does follow the in game yet not recruitable model he's not going to be vital in the narrative. but people see Prothean and start going off before actually considering that the history and legacy of the Protheans is what is important and not the species themselves.

[Tazzmission]

Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

I don't see it on XBL

800pts? sadness. I only have about 650 left. Oh well. Will save

they took it down bruh

[STARKILLER423]

Mclouvins wrote...


Thank you, somebody who sees that labeling this as pure day-1 dlc is misleading on its face. Bioware made a decision to include in-game bonus for their collector's edition instead of making some crappy plastic dragon or other such swag as a bonus and as an incentive. They could have easily left the character limited to the CE but they didn't, giving consumers the option to purchase the character or not to do so.

Not many people consider this point as well. When the first rumors of the collector's edition were being talked about the main speculation was who this exclusive character was. Now it is being offered to everyone, but they are crying foul because they think that he is going to be the most important character in video game history in terms of the story of ME3. 

[WeWant]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...


Thank you, somebody who sees that labeling this as pure day-1 dlc is misleading on its face. Bioware made a decision to include in-game bonus for their collector's edition instead of making some crappy plastic dragon or other such swag as a bonus and as an incentive. They could have easily left the character limited to the CE but they didn't, giving consumers the option to purchase the character or not to do so.

Not many people consider this point as well. When the first rumors of the collector's edition were being talked about the main speculation was who this exclusive character was. Now it is being offered to everyone, but they are crying foul because they think that he is going to be the most important character in video game history in terms of the story of ME3. 

Lol, let's sanctify the marketing guys in EA for the awesome courage of cutting content and selling them separately!

This place is filled with such fanboys...

Modifié par WeWant, 22 février 2012 - 06:53 .

[LinksOcarina]

WeWant wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I will never buy this DLC... Over my dead body man.

Now all I can do is criticize their policy that I find abusive. You know, I every responsible consumer did this, the world would be much better.

But not every one feels this way. Are you also ready to tolerate the other side? Or are they just Bioware defenders that are stupid and wrong? Not saying that you believe this of course but most people on this forum attack others for different points of view.

Then let's debate this like civilised persons. You are the one trying to kill every understanding between the two sides of the opinion with your "DONT LIKE DAT DONT BUY DAT LOL."

So? It's not permited to not buy the DLC and complain about the policy at the same time? 

You know, things are not as simple as "don't buy it lol"

Except that it really is. DLC like everything else is based on market forces and the rate of return. The only way to stop its production is by altering the market conditions via lower consumption. Of course that would lead not to an inclusion of all the dlc but to the content being left on the cutting room floor like a lot of pre-high speed internet content was.

This.

And since the DLC is a day one purchase that was obviously planned because it was a part of the Collectors Edition of the game, chances are it was something that was left out of the main development and will cater to it being extra stuff.

Key word here is extra, there is no way Bioware or any company for that matter, would jepordize a game franchise that hinges on a DLC deal. So if you don't want to use the Prothean or buy the DLC, it will not affect the game. That would be suicidal if it did and you NEED the character to beat the game. 

One more thing I want to point out as well. Bioware has done this four times before, with Zaeed, Shale, Sebastian, and now the Prothean. You got Shale and Zaeed for free when signing up for the S/N, but people ****ed about that because they felt they were being nickeled and dimed. So then the policy changed, we won't force a sign-up but well offer them as DLC, this is what Sebastian was for Dragon Age II, and what the Prothean will be for Mass Effect 3. 

So people complained when it was given out as incentive to buy the game new, and people complained when they had to pay for it new. Either way, its a catch-22 here which I find ironic, because people still bought it and it was still worth it, given the amount of extra content in all of their packs.

So honestly, no one has the right to complain about this, because it was pretty much public knowledge that a extra character was available for the collectors edition of the game. Of course if you want it for free thats how you get it, paying ten dollars more at the counter (the cost of the DLC anyway) for the pre-order to begin with. 

In fact, now that I look at it, the Collectors Edition will cost $79.99, so $10 for From Ashes and $10 from the other extras, the artbook and soundtrack, are not a bad deal in the end. But still, its the same price no matter how you slice it. 

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but stop moaning about it because you knew it was coming anyway and no one is really spending more than someone else here on launch. In the end. it's just DLC, I chose to pay more for the game by preordering a collectors edition of it because I was interested in the artbook and the character, you can choose to not buy DLC for the very same reason. 

A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table in Mass Effect 2? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission that i'm unaware of? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is that people would complain yes, but they have no entitlement to because they knew it was coming. It doesn't matter who was DLC,  fact is people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far and only playing the game with that character will tell us anything really. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 22 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[Ryzaki]

Prothy isn't essential to the story anymore at least.

He *was* essential in the first script it seems but they rewrote that and made him nonessential (probably so they could sell him as a price gouge).

Still a crappy way of doing things but you're not missing anything vital if you don't get Prothy now.

[STARKILLER423]

WeWant wrote...





A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

This all depends on how imprtant the prothean is in the game. As I stated earlier in the thread (i dont know if you went back to my previous posts or not) the prothean might not be that important. While the Protheans as a whole were indeed very important to the story of ME, a single prothean might not be. I used Futurama as an example. Think of this in terms of the human race. If we were all destroyed and some other race was studying our culture and civilization. They discover that one human is left alive. Now imagine if that person were like Fry in futurama, would they be able to convey the greatness of some of the human race's breakthroughs and advancement? No they wouldn't. People were arguing that the protheans were so important that this one prothean must know everything about the race and play a key role in defeating the reapers. But again in human civilization, Do we not have people that do not understand the sciences? Do we not have people that do not understand our technology fully? Yes we do.We should the Protheans be any different?

Modifié par STARKILLER423, 22 février 2012 - 07:01 .

[rumbalumba]

Tails in Sonic 2 was not even vital to anything. he didn't help you, there was nothing about him that was essential to gameplay, story, etc. you could play as him but he had the same move set as Sonic, but having Tails around in Sonic 2, his existence made an impact even though he was just there. people identified with the character.


just because this Prothean may potentially be useless does not give Bioware or EA the right to justify his character being locked out of the full game and charging for its access.

[WeWant]

LinksOcarina wrote...

WeWant wrote...



A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is no, Legion as DLC also works, and the fact of the matter is, people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far. 

1) A freaking Prothean look like something kinda important storywise, doesn't he? 
2) 90% of your crew in ME2 doesn't bring anything to the table either. So maybe they should have sold the main game with only 4 characters and Jack, Samara, Thane, Grunt and Legion purchaseble for 10$ each. Damn I think EA wants to hire me now.