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[STARKILLER423]

rumbalumba wrote...

Tails in Sonic 2 was not even vital to anything. he didn't help you, there was nothing about him that was essential to gameplay, story, etc. you could play as him but he had the same move set as Sonic, but having Tails around in Sonic 2, his existence made an impact even though he was just there. people identified with the character.


just because this Prothean may potentially be useless does not give Bioware or EA the right to justify his character being locked out of the full game and charging for its access.

Except that it does. Again i am explain the other side here. IF he is not vital. IF he is not important to the story line. IF he only offers new insight into certain things and a few new dialogue options or comments in certain places. Then it is perfectly resonable to have this person as an exclusive character to the CE and offer hime as an addition DLC character to those that wish to purchase him.
Now, IF he is vital and important to the story. IF he provides a MAJOR impact to the plot, and they still cut him out and offer him as DLC, then I feel it is wrong.

[Mclouvins]

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...


Thank you, somebody who sees that labeling this as pure day-1 dlc is misleading on its face. Bioware made a decision to include in-game bonus for their collector's edition instead of making some crappy plastic dragon or other such swag as a bonus and as an incentive. They could have easily left the character limited to the CE but they didn't, giving consumers the option to purchase the character or not to do so.

Not many people consider this point as well. When the first rumors of the collector's edition were being talked about the main speculation was who this exclusive character was. Now it is being offered to everyone, but they are crying foul because they think that he is going to be the most important character in video game history in terms of the story of ME3. 

Lol, let's sanctify the marketing guys in EA for the awesome courage of cutting content and selling them separately!

This place is filled with such fanboys...

If you want to go the pejorative route, fine. The fact remains that the character and his mission were originally marketed as a part of the collector's edition, whether that was the conceptual intent, I don't know and I'm not attempting to know. Eventually the development team let it be known that he would be available to everyone. You are certainly entitled to your opinion to assert that he should be free to everyone regarless of how misguided you may be. With that being the case it becomes a necessary condition that all of the other in-game stuff like the hoodie and the dog should be free to all as well. You may very well think that, I don't know, however a lot of people have expressed the opinion that that sort of stuff is okay to leave, which causes us to arrive at two possibilities: A. consumers making arbitrary demands, or B. a collector's edition that is extremely difficult to justify the price differential on. The former scenario is basically consumers having their cake and eating it too, and the latter is bad business because CE orders would drop sharply.

[Paula Deen]

What I don't get is the price: it's one bonus character and mission. I can completely understand and support not providing it for free, or even really cheap, but $10? What?

That's a sixth of the price of the entire game. I can't remember the exact price, but Kasumi's DLC, at least, provided a new squadmate, a new, unique, and useful SMG, a great new mission, and a new Advanced Training power--and even then, it wasn't a day 1 release, nor was it even as close to as plot-relevant as a freaking Prothean squadmate.

If it was priced at a reasonable 5 dollars, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat...but as it stands, it's just not even close to fairly priced.

[deathscythe517]

Paula Deen wrote...

What I don't get is the price: it's one bonus character and mission. I can completely understand and support not providing it for free, or even really cheap, but $10? What?

That's a sixth of the price of the entire game. I can't remember the exact price, but Kasumi's DLC, at least, provided a new squadmate, a new, unique, and useful SMG, a great new mission, and a new Advanced Training power--and even then, it wasn't a day 1 release, nor was it even as close to as plot-relevant as a freaking Prothean squadmate.

If it was priced at a reasonable 5 dollars, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat...but as it stands, it's just not even close to fairly priced.

Kasumi was 560 Microsoft Points, which is about five bucks, yeah.

Am I the only one who thinks the idea of a prothean teammate is a bit...well...silly?

[Tazzmission]

Paula Deen wrote...

What I don't get is the price: it's one bonus character and mission. I can completely understand and support not providing it for free, or even really cheap, but $10? What?
.

since when is 10 bucks to expensive?

for all w eknow it can be a charachter with a 2 hour mission we just dont know the full details yet

[Tazzmission]

deathscythe517 wrote...

Paula Deen wrote...

What I don't get is the price: it's one bonus character and mission. I can completely understand and support not providing it for free, or even really cheap, but $10? What?

That's a sixth of the price of the entire game. I can't remember the exact price, but Kasumi's DLC, at least, provided a new squadmate, a new, unique, and useful SMG, a great new mission, and a new Advanced Training power--and even then, it wasn't a day 1 release, nor was it even as close to as plot-relevant as a freaking Prothean squadmate.

If it was priced at a reasonable 5 dollars, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat...but as it stands, it's just not even close to fairly priced.

Kasumi was 560 Microsoft Points, which is about five bucks, yeah.

Am I the only one who thinks the idea of a prothean teammate is a bit...well...silly?

you must be since i wanted this to happen after me2 came out


think about it for a second

what better way to end this trilogy is with the way it began? wich is how the protheans died out


and now that i think of it... i think the prothean orbs from both games were hints honestly

Modifié par Tazzmission, 22 février 2012 - 07:13 .

[FoxShadowblade]

Paula Deen wrote...

What I don't get is the price: it's one bonus character and mission. I can completely understand and support not providing it for free, or even really cheap, but $10? What?

That's a sixth of the price of the entire game. I can't remember the exact price, but Kasumi's DLC, at least, provided a new squadmate, a new, unique, and useful SMG, a great new mission, and a new Advanced Training power--and even then, it wasn't a day 1 release, nor was it even as close to as plot-relevant as a freaking Prothean squadmate.

If it was priced at a reasonable 5 dollars, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat...but as it stands, it's just not even close to fairly priced.

$10 is pretty much standard for any addon on a AAA title...You learn to live with it.

[STARKILLER423]

Paula Deen wrote...

What I don't get is the price: it's one bonus character and mission. I can completely understand and support not providing it for free, or even really cheap, but $10? What?

That's a sixth of the price of the entire game. I can't remember the exact price, but Kasumi's DLC, at least, provided a new squadmate, a new, unique, and useful SMG, a great new mission, and a new Advanced Training power--and even then, it wasn't a day 1 release, nor was it even as close to as plot-relevant as a freaking Prothean squadmate.

If it was priced at a reasonable 5 dollars, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat...but as it stands, it's just not even close to fairly priced.

It could include the prothean and a lengthy mission or maybe even a few alternate costumes or weapons. We just don't really know. I stated above or back a page an argument about how the Prothean might not be that important. But again this is just my speculation and another point of view on the situation

[Tazzmission]

what id like to know is... will the protheans be unlocked in multiplayer? if so i would be really exicted about it

[Aargh12]

Tazzmission wrote...
since when is 10 bucks to expensive?

It is. The game itself costs 60 bucks. And one character with one mission (probably) costs 1/6 of that. Something is not right.

for all w eknow it can be a charachter with a 2 hour mission we just dont know the full details yet

Yea, 10bucks for two hour mission for 10 backs is a great deal. Really.

I laugh at all that say that this DLC is extra and won't change the main plot. Sure as hell that the last living member of a long extinct race that was responsible for humanity's rise to power (I mean teh discovery and all) is an extra. Yeah, extra my a**.

[LinksOcarina]

To your points WeWant

We shall see if the prothean is a major player. We don't know yet but considering the nature of what dlc is in video games, I doubt it very much.

2. That is a false argument as well, mainly because the draw of mass effect 2 was the character relationships and the formulating of the team. The game needed to have a larger cast because of this, a sort of team of rivals thing going on, so limiting it to the point where 7 out of 12 characters are dlc is not only ludacris, but against the games design. This is why we only saw 2 extras, zaeed and kasumi. Both of which were good characters but designed to be extras.

From what I've seen, nothing about the prothean says its not designed to be an extra at this point.

[rumbalumba]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Tails in Sonic 2 was not even vital to anything. he didn't help you, there was nothing about him that was essential to gameplay, story, etc. you could play as him but he had the same move set as Sonic, but having Tails around in Sonic 2, his existence made an impact even though he was just there. people identified with the character.


just because this Prothean may potentially be useless does not give Bioware or EA the right to justify his character being locked out of the full game and charging for its access.

Except that it does. Again i am explain the other side here. IF he is not vital. IF he is not important to the story line. IF he only offers new insight into certain things and a few new dialogue options or comments in certain places. Then it is perfectly resonable to have this person as an exclusive character to the CE and offer hime as an addition DLC character to those that wish to purchase him.
Now, IF he is vital and important to the story. IF he provides a MAJOR impact to the plot, and they still cut him out and offer him as DLC, then I feel it is wrong.

and you really think a non-vital, non-important Prothean who has little dialogue is worth $10?? i.e. 1/6th of what you're paying to play Mass Effect 3?

of course he won't be vital to the story. do you think Jacob was VITAL to Mass Effect 2? he wasn't but there he was. the involvement of a character to the storyline does not preclude their inclusion to the game. WHY? because not every character in a game has to be a game-changer, kinda like in movies and books where roles are divided some get big roles some get small but at the end of the day they're all characters of the game, movie or book.

[STARKILLER423]

Aargh12 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
since when is 10 bucks to expensive?

It is. The game itself costs 60 bucks. And one character with one mission (probably) costs 1/6 of that. Something is not right.

for all w eknow it can be a charachter with a 2 hour mission we just dont know the full details yet

Yea, 10bucks for two hour mission for 10 backs is a great deal. Really.

I laugh at all that say that this DLC is extra and won't change the main plot. Sure as hell that the last living member of a long extinct race that was responsible for humanity's rise to power (I mean teh discovery and all) is an extra. Yeah, extra my a**.

Look at my argument on why he might not be that important. Granted it is just my opinion and speculation and you of course are entilted to your own as am i. But I feel that my argument is fairly resonable as to we he might not be that important.

[WeWant]

Mclouvins wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...


Thank you, somebody who sees that labeling this as pure day-1 dlc is misleading on its face. Bioware made a decision to include in-game bonus for their collector's edition instead of making some crappy plastic dragon or other such swag as a bonus and as an incentive. They could have easily left the character limited to the CE but they didn't, giving consumers the option to purchase the character or not to do so.

Not many people consider this point as well. When the first rumors of the collector's edition were being talked about the main speculation was who this exclusive character was. Now it is being offered to everyone, but they are crying foul because they think that he is going to be the most important character in video game history in terms of the story of ME3. 

Lol, let's sanctify the marketing guys in EA for the awesome courage of cutting content and selling them separately!

This place is filled with such fanboys...

The fact remains that the character and his mission were originally marketed as a part of the collector's edition, whether that was the conceptual intent, I don't know and I'm not attempting to know. Eventually the development team let it be known that he would be available to everyone. (...) The former scenario is basically consumers having their cake and eating it too, and the latter is bad business because CE orders would drop sharply.

What difference does that make? Why should I care if that was their original decision or not.That doesn't make this more acceptable.
And no it isn't aviable to everyone. Not for free at least.  It's just the occasion for them to make more profit and you make it sound like they are making us a favor...lol?


You know what the best scenario would be? Don't cut content from the game and propose REAL content for the CE. 

[STARKILLER423]

rumbalumba wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Tails in Sonic 2 was not even vital to anything. he didn't help you, there was nothing about him that was essential to gameplay, story, etc. you could play as him but he had the same move set as Sonic, but having Tails around in Sonic 2, his existence made an impact even though he was just there. people identified with the character.


just because this Prothean may potentially be useless does not give Bioware or EA the right to justify his character being locked out of the full game and charging for its access.

Except that it does. Again i am explain the other side here. IF he is not vital. IF he is not important to the story line. IF he only offers new insight into certain things and a few new dialogue options or comments in certain places. Then it is perfectly resonable to have this person as an exclusive character to the CE and offer hime as an addition DLC character to those that wish to purchase him.
Now, IF he is vital and important to the story. IF he provides a MAJOR impact to the plot, and they still cut him out and offer him as DLC, then I feel it is wrong.

and you really think a non-vital, non-important Prothean who has little dialogue is worth $10?? i.e. 1/6th of what you're paying to play Mass Effect 3?

of course he won't be vital to the story. do you think Jacob was VITAL to Mass Effect 2? he wasn't but there he was. the involvement of a character to the storyline does not preclude their inclusion to the game. WHY? because not every character in a game has to be a game-changer, kinda like in movies and books where roles are divided some get big roles some get small but at the end of the day they're all characters of the game, movie or book.

I never siad that I felt the DLC was worth $10, you are assuming that. I said that the Collector's Edition was worth $20 more, which comes with more than just the character DLC. I think you are missing my point. I am not saying that just because he isn't Vital then he shouldn't be there. I am saying that as long as he isn't vital than it is perfectly reasonable to offer them as an exclusive character to the CE or as a DLC character for those that wish to purchase it.

[LinksOcarina]

Wewant.

You have no proof of it being cut content.

And don't say the leaked script, because scripts change and are a product of preproduction. So for all we know this was the final decision when development began.

So please, just deal with it and stop being a fanboy. if you dont want to play the dlc, dont buy it. from all the press releases out there and the ads saying an extra character was in the mix, you have no one to blame but yourself for either not getting it for more money, or for choosing to not buy it. simple as that.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 22 février 2012 - 07:26 .

[TeffexPope]

You ahve got to be kidding me. How is this NOT A SPOILER? WHAT. Good job bioware, stamp of approval in a section that says No ME3 Spoilers allowed. What the hell man?!

[Aargh12]

LinksOcarina wrote...
You have no proof of it being cut content.

Yeah, and Kasumi wasn't cut either -.- Yes, the scipt is our source material for that claim. It wasn't leaked years ago, it was leaked recently. From BETA - and now we see that a piece of that is being sold as DLC. 

[MwRDKY]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all!

We're happy to confirm that Mass Effect 3: From Ashes DLC will be available at launch for all platforms. For those of you who have purchased the N7 Collector's Edition (including the PC Digital Deluxe Edition), you will get this content at no extra charge. We'll have a lot more details for you later this week! Stay Tuned!

Yay! Now this can finally be settled! Anyway, I've pre-ordered my N7 edition and working my arse to prepare the 2nd import save now.

Having someone who last draw breath was 50000 years ago as squadmate will be interesting to say the least...with almost the entire known galaxy view the Prothean as demigods, having one on your side would help, if not a lot.

[STARKILLER423]

WeWant wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WeWant wrote...



A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is no, Legion as DLC also works, and the fact of the matter is, people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far. 

1) A freaking Prothean look like something kinda important storywise, doesn't he? 
2) 90% of your crew in ME2 doesn't bring anything to the table either. So maybe they should have sold the main game with only 4 characters and Jack, Samara, Thane, Grunt and Legion purchaseble for 10$ each. Damn I think EA wants to hire me now.

Its painfully obvious that you are not going to tolerate any one else's opinion if they don't agree with you. I have presented reasonable counter-arguments to yours. You feel that the character should be in the game and not DLC, I offered my OPINION on when I thought It was acceptable and when it wasn't. You feel the Prothean is indeed an important squad member, I presented an argument as to why he might not be. But yet we are still wrong. I completely understand and accept your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to yours as I am mine. Just because we do not agree with you does not mean we are wrong, or bioware and EA sympathizers. I am not saying your opinions are wrong I am presenting reasonable counter-arguments to your claims in order to show a different point of view

[WeWant]

So it all comes to "lol u has no proof!". 
That happens when people like you refuse to see the obvious.
Every DAY ONE DLC is a blight, a shame, a cancer that must be eliminated, period.
And I'm being a "fanboy" rflmao..

[STARKILLER423]

Aargh12 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
You have no proof of it being cut content.

Yeah, and Kasumi wasn't cut either -.- Yes, the scipt if our source material for that claim. It wasn't leaked years ago, it was leaked recently. From BETA - and now we see that a piece of that is being sold as DLC. 

Say I found Bioware files of ideas or scripts and released them...say yesterday. What is those dated back to the time ME2 was released or even slightly before. Its perfectly feasible that the script could have been changed dramatically, even in a month.

Modifié par STARKILLER423, 22 février 2012 - 07:34 .

[STARKILLER423]

WeWant wrote...

So it all comes to "lol u has no proof!". 
That happens when people like you refuse to see the obvious.
Every DAY ONE DLC is a blight, a shame, a cancer that must be eliminated, period.
And I'm being a "fanboy" rflmao..

That is exactly your argument against our point of view. 
"we refuse to see the obvious" 
Again I have stated reasonable counter-arguments

Modifié par STARKILLER423, 22 février 2012 - 07:36 .

[WeWant]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WeWant wrote...



A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is no, Legion as DLC also works, and the fact of the matter is, people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far. 

1) A freaking Prothean look like something kinda important storywise, doesn't he? 
2) 90% of your crew in ME2 doesn't bring anything to the table either. So maybe they should have sold the main game with only 4 characters and Jack, Samara, Thane, Grunt and Legion purchaseble for 10$ each. Damn I think EA wants to hire me now.

Its painfully obvious that you are not going to tolerate any one else's opinion if they don't agree with you. I have presented reasonable counter-arguments to yours. You feel that the character should be in the game and not DLC, I offered my OPINION on when I thought It was acceptable and when it wasn't. You feel the Prothean is indeed an important squad member, I presented an argument as to why he might not be. But yet we are still wrong. I completely understand and accept your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to yours as I am mine. Just because we do not agree with you does not mean we are wrong, or bioware and EA sympathizers. I am not saying your opinions are wrong I am presenting reasonable counter-arguments to your claims in order to show a different point of view

You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

[Tazzmission]

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WeWant wrote...



A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is no, Legion as DLC also works, and the fact of the matter is, people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far. 

1) A freaking Prothean look like something kinda important storywise, doesn't he? 
2) 90% of your crew in ME2 doesn't bring anything to the table either. So maybe they should have sold the main game with only 4 characters and Jack, Samara, Thane, Grunt and Legion purchaseble for 10$ each. Damn I think EA wants to hire me now.

Its painfully obvious that you are not going to tolerate any one else's opinion if they don't agree with you. I have presented reasonable counter-arguments to yours. You feel that the character should be in the game and not DLC, I offered my OPINION on when I thought It was acceptable and when it wasn't. You feel the Prothean is indeed an important squad member, I presented an argument as to why he might not be. But yet we are still wrong. I completely understand and accept your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to yours as I am mine. Just because we do not agree with you does not mean we are wrong, or bioware and EA sympathizers. I am not saying your opinions are wrong I am presenting reasonable counter-arguments to your claims in order to show a different point of view

You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

lol than you better retire from gaming because me3 isnt the only one pal