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[rumbalumba]

STARKILLER423 wrote...


I never siad that I felt the DLC was worth $10, you are assuming that. I said that the Collector's Edition was worth $20 more, which comes with more than just the character DLC. I think you are missing my point. I am not saying that just because he isn't Vital then he shouldn't be there. I am saying that as long as he isn't vital than it is perfectly reasonable to offer them as an exclusive character to the CE or as a DLC character for those that wish to purchase it.

so you're saying that it's reasonable for them to offer a non-vital character as DLC and charge $10 for it? dude, the reality is that they're charging 1/6th of the game's full price for one squadmate and a mission. it's not just about the basic principle of offering an extra character as DLC, but the price at which they want you to shell out to get the full experience comes with it as well. it's such a ****slap that they cut content and charge $10 for you to access it. how would they like it if Shaw or Telus gives them a cable package and cuts 5 channels off and makes those channels "optional"? such a dick move, really. you're already paying $60 i think that's already enough to warrant a COMPLETE video game packed with all the content they can put in. when you look at a game like Twisted Metal or Burnout Paradise and you know you get the game COMPLETE and then AFTER the game releases and peopel want DLC they work on it and charge you for it, kinda like Red Alert or The Sims from 10 years ago or Warcraft they did not work on a game, cut characters, then charge you to unlock them day 1. god, the soysauce in my blood is boiling (im asian).

[WeWant]

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WeWant wrote...



A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is no, Legion as DLC also works, and the fact of the matter is, people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far. 

1) A freaking Prothean look like something kinda important storywise, doesn't he? 
2) 90% of your crew in ME2 doesn't bring anything to the table either. So maybe they should have sold the main game with only 4 characters and Jack, Samara, Thane, Grunt and Legion purchaseble for 10$ each. Damn I think EA wants to hire me now.

Its painfully obvious that you are not going to tolerate any one else's opinion if they don't agree with you. I have presented reasonable counter-arguments to yours. You feel that the character should be in the game and not DLC, I offered my OPINION on when I thought It was acceptable and when it wasn't. You feel the Prothean is indeed an important squad member, I presented an argument as to why he might not be. But yet we are still wrong. I completely understand and accept your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to yours as I am mine. Just because we do not agree with you does not mean we are wrong, or bioware and EA sympathizers. I am not saying your opinions are wrong I am presenting reasonable counter-arguments to your claims in order to show a different point of view

You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

lol than you better retire from gaming because me3 isnt the only one pal

Not as long as there will be guys like R*, Valve or CD Projekt.

[STARKILLER423]

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WeWant wrote...



A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is no, Legion as DLC also works, and the fact of the matter is, people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far. 

1) A freaking Prothean look like something kinda important storywise, doesn't he? 
2) 90% of your crew in ME2 doesn't bring anything to the table either. So maybe they should have sold the main game with only 4 characters and Jack, Samara, Thane, Grunt and Legion purchaseble for 10$ each. Damn I think EA wants to hire me now.

Its painfully obvious that you are not going to tolerate any one else's opinion if they don't agree with you. I have presented reasonable counter-arguments to yours. You feel that the character should be in the game and not DLC, I offered my OPINION on when I thought It was acceptable and when it wasn't. You feel the Prothean is indeed an important squad member, I presented an argument as to why he might not be. But yet we are still wrong. I completely understand and accept your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to yours as I am mine. Just because we do not agree with you does not mean we are wrong, or bioware and EA sympathizers. I am not saying your opinions are wrong I am presenting reasonable counter-arguments to your claims in order to show a different point of view

You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

That is indeed your right as a cosumer, to choice what you wish to purchase. Besides this was intended to be in the game, as a perk to those that chose to purchase the Collector's Edition. As I stated he might not be important, hence why he wasn't going to be in the game but exclusive to the CE. Then they decide to open it to everyone else in the form of day one DLC, we don't know when they made this decesion. 

[Tazzmission]

WeWant wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WeWant wrote...



A Prothean doesn't seem an extra for me. The line between what's a bonus and what's not is already blurred in the first place. Imagine if Legion was a DLC in ME2 for example. The situation wouldn't be any different and I bet that there would still be people like you finding a way to justify  that.

It's not a justification though, it's a fact of the buisness model that Bioware has been using since 2009. Shale was re-purposed because she wasn't working right as a functioning character in the game, so they offered her as free incentive for buying the game New. Zaeed was a pure extra because he had no dialogue trees, Sebastian you had to wait until Act II to find him so it felt like he was added in as well.

And honesty the example you give with Legion is a false one. What does Legion bring to the table? Does he saves Shepards life during the suicide mission? His backstory is interesting yes, but it really serves no purpose except to delve into the mindset of the Geth as a race. The only argument you can say is his loyalty mission might have consequences in game three, but we don't know if it does, or not yet. And even if it does, so might the decisions for Kasumi and Zaeed, although they may be smaller in scale. 

My point is no, Legion as DLC also works, and the fact of the matter is, people knew about it beforehand so there would be backlash anyway. The character is extra content. If its tied to the main story in such a way where the DLC is necessary, then you are right. As it stands, you have no reason to complain so far. 

1) A freaking Prothean look like something kinda important storywise, doesn't he? 
2) 90% of your crew in ME2 doesn't bring anything to the table either. So maybe they should have sold the main game with only 4 characters and Jack, Samara, Thane, Grunt and Legion purchaseble for 10$ each. Damn I think EA wants to hire me now.

Its painfully obvious that you are not going to tolerate any one else's opinion if they don't agree with you. I have presented reasonable counter-arguments to yours. You feel that the character should be in the game and not DLC, I offered my OPINION on when I thought It was acceptable and when it wasn't. You feel the Prothean is indeed an important squad member, I presented an argument as to why he might not be. But yet we are still wrong. I completely understand and accept your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to yours as I am mine. Just because we do not agree with you does not mean we are wrong, or bioware and EA sympathizers. I am not saying your opinions are wrong I am presenting reasonable counter-arguments to your claims in order to show a different point of view

You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

lol than you better retire from gaming because me3 isnt the only one pal

Not as long as there will be guys like R*, Valve or CD Projekt.

have you even read the stuff on gta 5? if you havent expect it to be milked buddy and even as it will be im still buying that game also

[LinksOcarina]

A cancer huh?

Piracy is a cancer, because it never goes away and never will. People will always pirate things for whatever justifyable reason.

Fanboys are a cancer. Someone such as you andfor me who are sometimes overly passionate about a game or company that they bemoan when things happen to the said game or company that don't lockstep with how it fits in their minds, or vehemently defend something that may turn into a flaw.

Gamers who feel a sense of pride or entitlement to their opinions are a cancer. Especially ones who have nothing of substance to say and waste our time, like you.

Nope....this is not a cancer. This is business, always has been and always will be. the point of dlc is to give people extra stuff to expand the games enjoyment. Once again extra is the key word. If you truely think this is another case of wardens keep, then go ahead and believe that. In the end you are wasting my time by even talking to you.

[STARKILLER423]

rumbalumba wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...


I never siad that I felt the DLC was worth $10, you are assuming that. I said that the Collector's Edition was worth $20 more, which comes with more than just the character DLC. I think you are missing my point. I am not saying that just because he isn't Vital then he shouldn't be there. I am saying that as long as he isn't vital than it is perfectly reasonable to offer them as an exclusive character to the CE or as a DLC character for those that wish to purchase it.

so you're saying that it's reasonable for them to offer a non-vital character as DLC and charge $10 for it? dude, the reality is that they're charging 1/6th of the game's full price for one squadmate and a mission. it's not just about the basic principle of offering an extra character as DLC, but the price at which they want you to shell out to get the full experience comes with it as well. it's such a ****slap that they cut content and charge $10 for you to access it. how would they like it if Shaw or Telus gives them a cable package and cuts 5 channels off and makes those channels "optional"? such a dick move, really. you're already paying $60 i think that's already enough to warrant a COMPLETE video game packed with all the content they can put in. when you look at a game like Twisted Metal or Burnout Paradise and you know you get the game COMPLETE and then AFTER the game releases and peopel want DLC they work on it and charge you for it, kinda like Red Alert or The Sims from 10 years ago or Warcraft they did not work on a game, cut characters, then charge you to unlock them day 1. god, the soysauce in my blood is boiling (im asian).

Again I never said anything about prices. I simply stated what i felt was resonable in an exclusive or DLC character. It is up to you to make the decsion on whether or not you feel it is resonable to pay $10 for this DLC. I am stating what I believe is a resonable DLC character is, NOT price. 

[Rip504]

Wow...
I agree with DLC period. They create it,if they decide to charge for it,then so be it. They own it,it is there right.

Yes you can cry,but at the end of the day anyone complaining about the price or it should of been free with the game,would most likely rip ppl off also.(Although I do not consider DLC a rip-off) If you are to CHEAP to afford 10 dollars or it burns your ass that much,I take it you would easily charge anything for anything you could. LoL

I hope the DLC is slightly major and gives us great insight into what happen. I hope it is compelling and amazing,so anyone who doesn't buy it,gets screwed over. Really it is not a big deal.

Bioware every DLC item you put out,I will buy. So will many others, Others will buy a few,some will buy alot but not all. So never tailor to the fans unwilling to spend there money,no instead continue to create amazing DLC that fans WILL buy.

[msmpsn]

LinksOcarina wrote...

A cancer huh?

Piracy is a cancer, because it never goes away and never will. People will always pirate things for whatever justifyable reason.

Fanboys are a cancer. Someone such as you andfor me who are sometimes overly passionate about a game or company that they bemoan when things happen to the said game or company that don't lockstep with how it fits in their minds, or vehemently defend something that may turn into a flaw.

Gamers who feel a sense of pride or entitlement to their opinions are a cancer. Especially ones who have nothing of substance to say and waste our time, like you.

Nope....this is not a cancer. This is business, always has been and always will be. the point of dlc is to give people extra stuff to expand the games enjoyment. Once again extra is the key word. If you truely think this is another case of wardens keep, then go ahead and believe that. In the end you are wasting my time by even talking to you.

*Slow clap*

[LinksOcarina]

Well im not buying costume packs, that's a waste of time.

[WeWant]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...


You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

That is indeed your right as a cosumer, to choice what you wish to purchase. Besides this was intended to be in the game, as a perk to those that chose to purchase the Collector's Edition. As I stated he might not be important, hence why he wasn't going to be in the game but exclusive to the CE. Then they decide to open it to everyone else in the form of day one DLC, we don't know when they made this decesion. 

The CE is not "the game". What I call "the game" is what you buy for $60 supposely in order to get the "complete experience". Not my fault if they didn't find anything more relevant to put in that CE.

[WeWant]

Tazzmission wrote...

WeWant wrote...


Not as long as there will be guys like R*, Valve or CD Projekt.

have you even read the stuff on gta 5? if you havent expect it to be milked buddy and even as it will be im still buying that game also

No, but I doubt we know much from GTAV except rumors.at the moment.

[Turbosonic]

Prothean and not important enough to be put in the standard game.

PROTHEAN. A RACE THAT IS ANCIENT. NOT SEEN FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME! EVERYONE THOUGHT THEY WERE EXTINCT!

But no, not important enough.

[PHub88]

I dont really like the way this whole Prothy thing has been handled. I am the kind of gamer who wants to know nothing of the game before it comes out in terms of story. But its smart to prepare for things when planning on buying it and dealing with pre order bonuses etc. Basically its I see it as impossible to not have this Prothy thing spoiled before actually playing it. How are you supposed to obtain him without knowing it beforehand? Whether the content represents it or not he is a major part of the plot.

The Protheans are supposed to have been whiped out over 50,000 years ago and now one of them is alive? There has to be others alive then...how else would it make any sense? Illos failed...so how is this guy alive? Either way there is no way around it this guy is going to have some major information with his character.

At the end of the day, I would have FREAKED while playing ME3 and one minute knowing nothing...the next im recruiting a Prothean into the squad. Now that we all know beforehand...it just takes away some of the magic. I wish the DLC character had been someone else.

[TeffexPope]

Turbosonic wrote...

Prothean and not important enough to be put in the standard game.

PROTHEAN. A RACE THAT IS ANCIENT. NOT SEEN FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME! EVERYONE THOUGHT THEY WERE EXTINCT!

But no, not important enough.

And lets completely spoil this weeks before release. Unimpressed, Bioware.

Also: I thought they had tentacle like protrusions. You can see them in the vision from teh beacon as well as the statues on Ilos. Change in design or covered by the armor? And what would he eat? He's the only Prothean alive in teh universe. He has nobody to relate to other than the Reaper struggle which is great, but thats it. How would he communicate with anyone? What if food from other races is poisonous to him? He'd have no digestion and be very weak and in no shape to fight. What. Bad idea Bioware. Bad idea to bring back a Prothean. The Collectors were as far as you should have gone.

Modifié par TeffexPope, 22 février 2012 - 08:00 .

[STARKILLER423]

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...


You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

That is indeed your right as a cosumer, to choice what you wish to purchase. Besides this was intended to be in the game, as a perk to those that chose to purchase the Collector's Edition. As I stated he might not be important, hence why he wasn't going to be in the game but exclusive to the CE. Then they decide to open it to everyone else in the form of day one DLC, we don't know when they made this decesion. 

The CE is not "the game". What I call "the game" is what you buy for $60 supposely in order to get the "complete experience". Not my fault if they didn't find anything more relevant to put in that CE.

Right the CE costs more and as an encentive for people to buy the CE of the game they include exclusive content otherwise you are spending more for nothing extra. I stated perfectly clearly and reasonably that the content included (i feel) could be an exclusive squad member as long as that squad member. is not vital to the story, does not bring anything MAJOR to the storyline, but instead just offers small insight into things and additional dialogue in certain areas.
I am not saying the the Prothean IS like this, I am saying that he COULD and SHOULD be like this if he is DLC.
The whole point of this was to present other points of views and resonable agruments to discuss the topic in a civilized manner. You chose to instead not do this but insist that we are wrong and you are right.

Modifié par STARKILLER423, 22 février 2012 - 07:59 .

[PHub88]

Turbosonic wrote...

Prothean and not important enough to be put in the standard game.

PROTHEAN. A RACE THAT IS ANCIENT. NOT SEEN FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME! EVERYONE THOUGHT THEY WERE EXTINCT!

But no, not important enough.

This

Don't forget every species in the galaxy ignorant to the Reapers believes they owe all their technology and advancements to them as well. The last species to be defeated by the Reapers....and the ONLY REASON the events in the Mass Effect series can actually take place.

yea nothing big at all

[WeWant]

LinksOcarina wrote...

A cancer huh?

Piracy is a cancer, because it never goes away and never will. People will always pirate things for whatever justifyable reason.

Fanboys are a cancer. Someone such as you andfor me who are sometimes overly passionate about a game or company that they bemoan when things happen to the said game or company that don't lockstep with how it fits in their minds, or vehemently defend something that may turn into a flaw.

Gamers who feel a sense of pride or entitlement to their opinions are a cancer. Especially ones who have nothing of substance to say and waste our time, like you.

Nope....this is not a cancer. This is business, always has been and always will be. the point of dlc is to give people extra stuff to expand the games enjoyment. Once again extra is the key word. If you truely think this is another case of wardens keep, then go ahead and believe that. In the end you are wasting my time by even talking to you.

I don't care about ME3. The chances that I will buy the game are low. I am criticizing the policy that has been adopted like  every sane gamer who doesn't want to buy games in kit.
You are being delusional, you refuse to see the evidence around you. Hell you even genuinely think that the writing of the demo was good. 

So who's the fanboy here kid?

[WeWant]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...


You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

That is indeed your right as a cosumer, to choice what you wish to purchase. Besides this was intended to be in the game, as a perk to those that chose to purchase the Collector's Edition. As I stated he might not be important, hence why he wasn't going to be in the game but exclusive to the CE. Then they decide to open it to everyone else in the form of day one DLC, we don't know when they made this decesion. 

The CE is not "the game". What I call "the game" is what you buy for $60 supposely in order to get the "complete experience". Not my fault if they didn't find anything more relevant to put in that CE.

Right the CE costs more and as an encentive for people to buy the CE of the game they include exclusive content otherwise you are spending more for nothing extra. I stated perfectly clearly and reasonably that the content included (i feel) could be an exclusive squad member as long as that squad member. is not vital to the story, does not bring anything MAJOR to the storyline, but instead just offers small insight into things and additional dialogue in certain areas.
I am not saying the the Prothean IS like this, I am saying that he COULD and SHOULD be like this if he is DLC.
The whole point of this was to present other points of views and resonable agruments to discuss the topic in a civilized manner. You chose to instead not do this but insist that we are wrong and you are right.

Why should I care about the CE again? Vital or not...meh...
Don't you simply miss the times where you bought a regular game and knew that you had all the package?  

[Arppis]

Oh nice.

[TobyHasEyes]

PHub88 wrote...

Turbosonic wrote...

Prothean and not important enough to be put in the standard game.

PROTHEAN. A RACE THAT IS ANCIENT. NOT SEEN FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME! EVERYONE THOUGHT THEY WERE EXTINCT!

But no, not important enough.

This

Don't forget every species in the galaxy ignorant to the Reapers believes they owe all their technology and advancements to them as well. The last species to be defeated by the Reapers....and the ONLY REASON the events in the Mass Effect series can actually take place.

yea nothing big at all

 And yet the Prothean might not be central to the story

 Many people were up in arms at the idea of a Prothean being in ME3, so having it as an optional extra actually should suit more people

 If you get enough from the retail game to merit the price tag, then anything in DLC is an optional extra. In times when costs are rising, and every games company states that it is so expensive to create games now, then it is reasonable to say that we can't fit every idea we had into a £39.99 price range; some of the ideas we would like to include will raise the price. And so rather than raising the cost and price of the main retail game, they have it available as a DLC extra

 

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 22 février 2012 - 08:17 .

[STARKILLER423]

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...


You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

That is indeed your right as a cosumer, to choice what you wish to purchase. Besides this was intended to be in the game, as a perk to those that chose to purchase the Collector's Edition. As I stated he might not be important, hence why he wasn't going to be in the game but exclusive to the CE. Then they decide to open it to everyone else in the form of day one DLC, we don't know when they made this decesion. 

The CE is not "the game". What I call "the game" is what you buy for $60 supposely in order to get the "complete experience". Not my fault if they didn't find anything more relevant to put in that CE.

Right the CE costs more and as an encentive for people to buy the CE of the game they include exclusive content otherwise you are spending more for nothing extra. I stated perfectly clearly and reasonably that the content included (i feel) could be an exclusive squad member as long as that squad member. is not vital to the story, does not bring anything MAJOR to the storyline, but instead just offers small insight into things and additional dialogue in certain areas.
I am not saying the the Prothean IS like this, I am saying that he COULD and SHOULD be like this if he is DLC.
The whole point of this was to present other points of views and resonable agruments to discuss the topic in a civilized manner. You chose to instead not do this but insist that we are wrong and you are right.

Why should I care about the CE again? Vital or not...meh...
Don't you simply miss the times where you bought a regular game and knew that you had all the package?  

Nobody said you had to care about the collectors edition. I am saying that the collectors edition gets exclusive content. And if you feel that it is worth it to you then you cane purchase the collectors edition, if not you can get the standard edition. Collectors Editions have been around since before the current generation and dlc anyway

[Tazzmission]

you 2 are still arguing about this?


i left around 2 hours ago

[Crackseed]

rumbalumba wrote...

that's why EA and Bioware are doing this, because of people like you two with your "then don't buy it" crap.

how about we get it all, and then if you two people want to pay them $10 for including it there in the disc then pay them. isn't that the same thing? the stuff is already in the disc, anyways.

You're missing a point in your anger here - the From Ashes DLC is NOT main mission critical. Bioware has never, and should never, make a DLC required to experience the main plot of a game. The day they do this will be, well - the end of Bioware most likely for many fans [I'd be pretty ticked too, even if I do generally support DLC because it's meant to be OPTIONAL] - so your entire pissy fit is pointless.

I respect that you don't like DLC - and that you wish a character like this would have been part of the main game, but that's not how it is. Regardless, it is optional and it does not detract from the main plot experience. AKA it's optional and if you loathe DLC, you never have to touch it and your game will not be any less for it.

[WeWant]

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...

STARKILLER423 wrote...

WeWant wrote...


You know what? I don't even think I will buy the game. I don't care about ME3. I'm talking about principles.
I feel that every content made BEFORE the release of the game, should be in the game, important or not (although this one does look pretty important). 

That is indeed your right as a cosumer, to choice what you wish to purchase. Besides this was intended to be in the game, as a perk to those that chose to purchase the Collector's Edition. As I stated he might not be important, hence why he wasn't going to be in the game but exclusive to the CE. Then they decide to open it to everyone else in the form of day one DLC, we don't know when they made this decesion. 

The CE is not "the game". What I call "the game" is what you buy for $60 supposely in order to get the "complete experience". Not my fault if they didn't find anything more relevant to put in that CE.

Right the CE costs more and as an encentive for people to buy the CE of the game they include exclusive content otherwise you are spending more for nothing extra. I stated perfectly clearly and reasonably that the content included (i feel) could be an exclusive squad member as long as that squad member. is not vital to the story, does not bring anything MAJOR to the storyline, but instead just offers small insight into things and additional dialogue in certain areas.
I am not saying the the Prothean IS like this, I am saying that he COULD and SHOULD be like this if he is DLC.
The whole point of this was to present other points of views and resonable agruments to discuss the topic in a civilized manner. You chose to instead not do this but insist that we are wrong and you are right.

Why should I care about the CE again? Vital or not...meh...
Don't you simply miss the times where you bought a regular game and knew that you had all the package?  

Nobody said you had to care about the collectors edition. I am saying that the collectors edition gets exclusive content. And if you feel that it is worth it to you then you cane purchase the collectors edition, if not you can get the standard edition. Collectors Editions have been around since before the current generation and dlc anyway

Well, that exclusive content can come in any form, except for when it's taken from the main content. In this case they are just trying to artificially increase the exclusive content of the CE by cuting content from the original.

Anyway. I'm tired. Going to sleep.

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TobyHasEyes wrote...

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Turbosonic wrote...

Prothean and not important enough to be put in the standard game.

PROTHEAN. A RACE THAT IS ANCIENT. NOT SEEN FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME! EVERYONE THOUGHT THEY WERE EXTINCT!

But no, not important enough.

This

Don't forget every species in the galaxy ignorant to the Reapers believes they owe all their technology and advancements to them as well. The last species to be defeated by the Reapers....and the ONLY REASON the events in the Mass Effect series can actually take place.

yea nothing big at all

 And yet the Prothean might not be central to the story

 Many people were up in arms at the idea of a Prothean being in ME3, so having it as an optional extra actually should suit more people

 If you get enough from the retail game to merit the price tag, then anything in DLC is an optional extra. In times when costs are rising, and every games company states that it is so expensive to create games now, then it is reasonable to say that we can't fit every idea we had into a £39.99 price range; some of the ideas we would like to include will raise the price. And so rather than raising the cost and price of the main retail game, they have it available as a DLC extra

 

Yeah I will get my moneys worth from the game. That changes nothing.

If you don't get Zaed or Kasumi, it doesn't go on in your game that they don't exist and never did, and even if it did...you still wan't to have the full experience you know you didn't get it. Anyone who is a fan is going to want them to get the complete ME2 experience.

Dude, its a Prothean...how can you possibly add a prothean squadmate into the game and not have it be a big deal. That just makes no sense. It doesn't matter how its spinned, you can't make a prothean being alive in the game not a big deal. Whether his entire recruiting ordeal is the size of a Firewalker mission it still remains major just because of what he is. 

Its like saying a DLC that comes out in 6 months that features a scenario where 15-20 Reapers are still alive isn't really a big deal. The Protheans are the placeholder for everything in the Mass Effect series. You cant just change what happened to them and have it not be a big deal.