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[Amikae]

Rip504 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Obviously I disagree.
I don't think it "is just plain wrong".
It's extra,It doesn't need to be part ME3,but deff adds to it. Hence the 10 dollars.
If you choose not to pay for it,you are the one responsible for missing out on it. Not Bioware. They put it out there for all consumers,not just CE owners or none of us. It's there when it didn't have to be. Without DLC we may have never seen this squadmate. It could of just ended upas an internet rumor somewhere...

Half of the side missions in ME don't NEED to be there should we be paying extra for them too?

Pointless?
PPL will buy a squadmate... They will probaly buy the side missions,who knows?

Side missions were promised as part of ME2,the newest Squadmate was never promised In ME3.

"NEED" Isn't my point.

People like you probably would buy anything.

[Wulfram]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Half of the side missions in ME don't NEED to be there should we be paying extra for them too?

Yeah.  90% of Skyrim doesn't need to be there.

And it's not like this is ME2 with an abundance of NPCs.

[finc.loki]

Rip504 wrote...

Selor Kiith wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

If I don't fork out the extra $10 for the From ashes DLC I will always feel like some "pages was ripped out of my book" so to speak. There is no argument against that.

Nope,but you are the one tearing out the pages,not Bioware.

Nope, it's actually them ripping out pages from the middle of the book, selling you the ripped book and telling you that you can get the pages back when you fork over more money...

You would burn every Bookstore that acted like that but it's okay here?

No it's nothing like that. LoL
Nothing is missing from ME3. It's extra content. Period.

It would be like them charging for an additional separate book that had something to do with the book you purchased. You would fully expect this. Why not here?

You are starting to annoy me.

You do realize that technically everything can then be considered "extra content", Garrus is not needed to complete the game and have an ending, neither is Tali and so on it goes.
You can remove EVERY SINGLE SIDE MISSION, cause they are just side missions, and not  MAIN mission.

Seriously get a grip here.

It's like Peter Jacksson remove the whole "mines of Moria" from Lord of the rings first movie, it is just "extra content". You don't NEED it to finish the movie and to finally reach the ending of the trilogy.
Sure you might wonder why Gandalf doesn't exist all of a sudden and who that balrog is he is fighting in the next movie at the start.

This IS content that is weaved into the story.
I truly get annoyed with people that doesn't realize this and just needs to defend something they don't understand.
I don't hate Bioware and think their games are bad just because I point out something that is wrong.

No matter how you try and twist and bend things, this IS content that was designed to fit WITHIN the parameters of the story, it is not something taking place AFTER or BEFORE the game, it happens DURING the game.
In order for the content/DLC to be ready to be used DAY ONE it has to be finished, which means it could and should have been included WITH the game.

They are doing this to get more money, and yes EA, not so much Bioware, cause Bioware is OWNED by EA, they don't get more money from this.

Effectively they raised the price for the game ( that is if you want the whole game as it is at launch) to $70 and even $80 for CE.
I guess you forgot to see that they effectively forgot to mention to ALL the CE buyers that they don't have to spend $80 to get the "from ashes" DLC, but only $70. Just another "witholding information" so people buy the CE for even MORE money.That is until the last 2 weeks until launch (damage done IOW).
This is the reason WHY I didn't buy the CE version, and saved myself $10, I don't care about steel hard case and ueseless stuff like that.
BUT I DO care about game content.

Isn't it funny that "Shale" was free for EVERYONE that bought a NEW copy of DA:O, but now this ME3 "shale" (from ashes) cost $10 or you have to buy CE edition.
Just the last game ME2 had Zaeed for free too.

Ignorance is bliss.

Modifié par finc.loki, 22 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[DifferentD17]

Rip504 wrote...

Garrus is in ME1 ME2 ME3...
The newest squadmate has never even been heard of in the last 50,000 years...

Garrus would have been cut,not added. The newest squadmate is being added...

And if garrus or Tali were unimportant and not fan favs,they may have been cut,and if that were to happen and I wanted them... I would buy them. Garrus and Tali would be top selling DLC day one.

But these players are known to us,fans favs,and would have been officially cut. This is content that may have been cut from ME3 and is now being added as extra content,which it is both new and extra. Garrus Tali and our newest member are completely different situations.

It is not EXTRA if it was made during the the same time as the development of the game. When they took out Shayle from Dragon Age, and after playing the full game without her I didn't know what I was missing. Also if you have read the books Shayle had an impact.  

[CG50]

finc.loki wrote...


You are starting to annoy me.

You do realize that technically everything can then be considered "extra content", Garrus is not needed to complete the game and have an ending, neither is Tali and so on it goes.
You can remove EVERY SINGLE SIDE MISSION, cause they are just side missions, and not  MAIN mission.

Seriously get a grip here.

It's like Peter Jacksson remove the whole "mines of Moria" from Lord of the rings first movie, it is just "extra content". You don't NEED it to finish the movie and to finally reach the ending of the trilogy.
Sure you might wonder why Gandalf doesn't exist all of a sudden and who that balrog is he is fighting in the next movie at the start.

This IS content that is weaved into the story.
I truly get annoyed with people that doesn't realize this and just needs to defend something they don't understand.
I don't hate Bioware and think their games are bad just because I point out something that is wrong.

No matter how you try and twist and bend things, this IS content that was designed to fit WITHIN the parameters of the story, it is not something taking place AFTER or BEFORE the game, it happens DURING the game.
In order for the content/DLC to be ready to be used DAY ONE it has to be finished, which means it could and should have been included WITH the game.

They are doing this to get more money, and yes EA, not so much Bioware, cause Bioware is OWNED by EA, they don't get more money from this.

Effectively they raised the price for the game ( that is if you want the whole game as it is at launch) to $70 and even $80 for CE.
I guess you forgot to see that they effectively forgot to mention to ALL the CE buyers that they don't have to spend $80 to get the "from ashes" DLC, but only $70. Just another "witholding information" so people buy the CE for even MORE money.
This is the reason WHY I didn't buy the CE version, and saved myself $10, I don't care about steel hard case and ueseless stuff like that.
BUT I DO care about game content.

Isn't it funny that "Shale" was free for EVERYONE that bought a NEW copy of DA:O, but now this ME3 "shale" (from ashes) cost $10 or you have to buy CE edition.
Just the last game ME2 had Zaeed for free too.

Ignorance is bliss.

First of i would say it's more like the Lord of the Rings extended version which had scenes which didn't make it into the cinema version. They had the content but cut it out and put it in a more expensive 2 disc set kind of thing.

Shale is like zaeed, free for new purchasers, this dlc is like kasumi where you pay for it. ME3's version of "shale" as it were is the weapon you get free. Not great but more than some (Gears 3 stickers?). It would be unfair if people who bought the CE edition had to pay more for something that everyone else would get for free. Kind of pointless advertising new character and mission if everyone got it. For those who bought the CE edition (like me) didn't do it just for the character. i want the sountrack, artbook the lithograph etc thats why i paid more for it. 

EDIT: i just would like to note i agree with the fact that this is a character that should be part of main game bacuase of who he is and a different character should be the dlc. 

Modifié par CG50, 22 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[Envor44]

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Selor Kiith wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

If I don't fork out the extra $10 for the From ashes DLC I will always feel like some "pages was ripped out of my book" so to speak. There is no argument against that.

Nope,but you are the one tearing out the pages,not Bioware.

Nope, it's actually them ripping out pages from the middle of the book, selling you the ripped book and telling you that you can get the pages back when you fork over more money...

You would burn every Bookstore that acted like that but it's okay here?

No it's nothing like that. LoL
Nothing is missing from ME3. It's extra content. Period.

It would be like them charging for an additional separate book that had something to do with the book you purchased. You would fully expect this. Why not here?

You are starting to annoy me.

You do realize that technically everything can then be considered "extra content", Garrus is not needed to complete the game and have an ending, neither is Tali and so on it goes.
You can remove EVERY SINGLE SIDE MISSION, cause they are just side missions, and not  MAIN mission.

Seriously get a grip here.

It's like Peter Jacksson remove the whole "mines of Moria" from Lord of the rings first movie, it is just "extra content". You don't NEED it to finish the movie and to finally reach the ending of the trilogy.
Sure you might wonder why Gandalf doesn't exist all of a sudden and who that balrog is he is fighting in the next movie at the start.

This IS content that is weaved into the story.
I truly get annoyed with people that doesn't realize this and just needs to defend something they don't understand.
I don't hate Bioware and think their games are bad just because I point out something that is wrong.

No matter how you try and twist and bend things, this IS content that was designed to fit WITHIN the parameters of the story, it is not something taking place AFTER or BEFORE the game, it happens DURING the game.
In order for the content/DLC to be ready to be used DAY ONE it has to be finished, which means it could and should have been included WITH the game.

They are doing this to get more money, and yes EA, not so much Bioware, cause Bioware is OWNED by EA, they don't get more money from this.

Effectively they raised the price for the game ( that is if you want the whole game as it is at launch) to $70 and even $80 for CE.
I guess you forgot to see that they effectively forgot to mention to ALL the CE buyers that they don't have to spend $80 to get the "from ashes" DLC, but only $70. Just another "witholding information" so people buy the CE for even MORE money.That is until the last 2 weeks until launch (damage done IOW).
This is the reason WHY I didn't buy the CE version, and saved myself $10, I don't care about steel hard case and ueseless stuff like that.
BUT I DO care about game content.

Isn't it funny that "Shale" was free for EVERYONE that bought a NEW copy of DA:O, but now this ME3 "shale" (from ashes) cost $10 or you have to buy CE edition.
Just the last game ME2 had Zaeed for free too.

Ignorance is bliss.

props to you, good sir!

[Rip504]

LoL read some of these posts. Really?
I support DLC,I said why. And why it makes sense,as it does make money so actions speak louder then words. It doesn't need defending. I'm stating why I understand and am ok with it.
I fully understand why you feel cheated and want something for free. Because your cheap. And feel as if it was cut and now there trying to make money off of something that could of been in the game to begin with. No duh! and the problem is? Your to cheap to pay for it.

There are no morales here. It's simply about the 10 dollars. horrible. If you create something you want to be paid as much as possible for it. Thats just smart business.

There supply is in demand. It's when 20's become 25's...

Once Bioware seperated it,it became extra lol. Side missions? Really? No they are not extra,Garrus is not extra. Anything Bioware promised to be part of ME is not extyra. It is the content that creates the game. Yes Ignorance is bliss. Obviously. As if you don't buy it,it never takes place. Hence something extra in your ME3. If it was meant to be there for free then it would have been, I mean are you really serious? Supply and demand. Minority complaining about DLC day one or not. It sells and money talks and BS walks.

[Moondoggie]

finc.loki wrote...



You are starting to annoy me.

You do realize that technically everything can then be considered "extra content", Garrus is not needed to complete the game and have an ending, neither is Tali and so on it goes.
You can remove EVERY SINGLE SIDE MISSION, cause they are just side missions, and not  MAIN mission.

Seriously get a grip here.

It's like Peter Jacksson remove the whole "mines of Moria" from Lord of the rings first movie, it is just "extra content". You don't NEED it to finish the movie and to finally reach the ending of the trilogy.
Sure you might wonder why Gandalf doesn't exist all of a sudden and who that balrog is he is fighting in the next movie at the start.

This IS content that is weaved into the story.
I truly get annoyed with people that doesn't realize this and just needs to defend something they don't understand.
I don't hate Bioware and think their games are bad just because I point out something that is wrong.

No matter how you try and twist and bend things, this IS content that was designed to fit WITHIN the parameters of the story, it is not something taking place AFTER or BEFORE the game, it happens DURING the game.
In order for the content/DLC to be ready to be used DAY ONE it has to be finished, which means it could and should have been included WITH the game.

They are doing this to get more money, and yes EA, not so much Bioware, cause Bioware is OWNED by EA, they don't get more money from this.

Effectively they raised the price for the game ( that is if you want the whole game as it is at launch) to $70 and even $80 for CE.
I guess you forgot to see that they effectively forgot to mention to ALL the CE buyers that they don't have to spend $80 to get the "from ashes" DLC, but only $70. Just another "witholding information" so people buy the CE for even MORE money.
This is the reason WHY I didn't buy the CE version, and saved myself $10, I don't care about steel hard case and ueseless stuff like that.
BUT I DO care about game content.

Isn't it funny that "Shale" was free for EVERYONE that bought a NEW copy of DA:O, but now this ME3 "shale" (from ashes) cost $10 or you have to buy CE edition.
Just the last game ME2 had Zaeed for free too.

Ignorance is bliss.

The CE comes with more content which you fail to mention which is useless or usefull depending on definition. Some people want the special case and the soundtrack and the extra DLC that comes with it as well as the DLC character.

And of course they are doing it to make money you talk like they are doing something wrong. It's a business and it exists to make money from developing entertainment just like Peter Jackson does. Or do you believe he just signs off on more and more super extra special editions of LoTR with an extra 2 minutes of footage that was cut out and a special collectors case just out the goodness of his heart and not to make more money from royaltees?

Additional content and versions are good money makers for all entertainment ventures and no you don;t need to buy DLC just as you don't need to buy the entended versions of LoTR if you don't want to. The extra story content is OPTIONAL it doesn't change the ending or have much impact on the story of any. Even the Free DLC characters such as Shale and Zaeed would anyone miss them if they were not in the story? Did they really add a crucial story element to the game? You talk like they are cutting out the real ending and then charging you to see it.

But i imagine as you cry foul over EA for charging people to buy DLC content you are likely sat watching your 50th version of the Star Wars boxed set you bought with super HD and extra 20  seconds of footage with shiny gold case not realising your own hypocrisy.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 22 février 2012 - 11:47 .

[exskeeny]

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Selor Kiith wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

If I don't fork out the extra $10 for the From ashes DLC I will always feel like some "pages was ripped out of my book" so to speak. There is no argument against that.

Nope,but you are the one tearing out the pages,not Bioware.

Nope, it's actually them ripping out pages from the middle of the book, selling you the ripped book and telling you that you can get the pages back when you fork over more money...

You would burn every Bookstore that acted like that but it's okay here?

No it's nothing like that. LoL
Nothing is missing from ME3. It's extra content. Period.

It would be like them charging for an additional separate book that had something to do with the book you purchased. You would fully expect this. Why not here?

You are starting to annoy me.

You do realize that technically everything can then be considered "extra content", Garrus is not needed to complete the game and have an ending, neither is Tali and so on it goes.
You can remove EVERY SINGLE SIDE MISSION, cause they are just side missions, and not  MAIN mission.

Seriously get a grip here.

It's like Peter Jacksson remove the whole "mines of Moria" from Lord of the rings first movie, it is just "extra content". You don't NEED it to finish the movie and to finally reach the ending of the trilogy.
Sure you might wonder why Gandalf doesn't exist all of a sudden and who that balrog is he is fighting in the next movie at the start.

This IS content that is weaved into the story.
I truly get annoyed with people that doesn't realize this and just needs to defend something they don't understand.
I don't hate Bioware and think their games are bad just because I point out something that is wrong.

No matter how you try and twist and bend things, this IS content that was designed to fit WITHIN the parameters of the story, it is not something taking place AFTER or BEFORE the game, it happens DURING the game.
In order for the content/DLC to be ready to be used DAY ONE it has to be finished, which means it could and should have been included WITH the game.

They are doing this to get more money, and yes EA, not so much Bioware, cause Bioware is OWNED by EA, they don't get more money from this.

Effectively they raised the price for the game ( that is if you want the whole game as it is at launch) to $70 and even $80 for CE.
I guess you forgot to see that they effectively forgot to mention to ALL the CE buyers that they don't have to spend $80 to get the "from ashes" DLC, but only $70. Just another "witholding information" so people buy the CE for even MORE money.That is until the last 2 weeks until launch (damage done IOW).
This is the reason WHY I didn't buy the CE version, and saved myself $10, I don't care about steel hard case and ueseless stuff like that.
BUT I DO care about game content.

Isn't it funny that "Shale" was free for EVERYONE that bought a NEW copy of DA:O, but now this ME3 "shale" (from ashes) cost $10 or you have to buy CE edition.
Just the last game ME2 had Zaeed for free too.

Ignorance is bliss.

I'd compare it more to Tom Bombadil rather than the Mines of Moria. If Peter Jackson had filmed it, then removed it, then we all went to the cinema to see the Fellowship, then they released it in the cinema again with the new "singing hippy" content at extra cost.

At the end of the day It's not game content it is extra content. you do not need this character and his mission to complete the full game. If you want it pay for it, if not don't pay for it and you don't miss out on the full ME3 game experience.

[Slash_luke]

Rip504 wrote...

Slash_luke wrote...

Rip504: i don´t agree. If it´s crucial for the plot (and specifically Arrival IS) then it should be
a) in the end of the original game (ME2)
at the beginning of subsequent game (ME3)
c) or as a free DLC for ME2

I don´t think that EA/Bioware´s approach in this case is fair to the players (aka customers).
btw: I bought Arrival anyway, but only because I didn´t have any other choice (except for piracy) and I want to know >>"what the hell is going on"<< in the beginning of ME3.

You are on the forums... You know what "the hell" is going on.

You bought the DLC to play and exp. it yourself.

Extra,content,extra playtime,extra story,extra work,marketing etc.

They have the right to charge you extra for something extra. That you wish to play and they created.

Yeah you are right, maybe we can have whole story here on the forum and game could be just some CGI and credits - for the full price of course.

Maybe you haven´t heard about that, but when there is a story separated into "chapters" (each Mass Effect is like one large chapter) it´s common practise, that each chapter begins where previous chapter ended.
But here, you have to pay extra for ending of chapter two if you want to know what led to the events at the beginning of chapter three.

I think that´s strange and not fair, that´s all. I don´t mind paying for EXTRA content which don´t have impact on the story itself (like Overlord or even The Shadow Broker DLC).

[DifferentD17]

Rip504 wrote...

LoL read some of these posts. Really?
I support DLC,I said why. And why it makes sense,as it does make money so actions speak louder then words. It doesn't need defending. I'm stating why I understand and am ok with it.
I fully understand why you feel cheated and want something for free. Because your cheap. And feel as if it was cut and now there trying to make money off of something that could of been in the game to begin with. No duh! and the problem is? Your to cheap to pay for it.

There are no morales here. It's simply about the 10 dollars. horrible. If you create something you want to be paid as much as possible for it. Thats just smart business.

There supply is in demand. It's when 20's become 25's...

Once Bioware seperated it,it became extra lol. Side missions? Really? No they are not extra,Garrus is not extra. Anything Bioware promised to be part of ME is not extyra. It is the content that creates the game. Yes Ignorance is bliss. Obviously. As if you don't buy it,it never takes place. Hence something extra in your ME3. If it was meant to be there for free then it would have been, I mean are you really serious? Supply and demand. Minority complaining about DLC day one or not. It sells and money talks and BS walks.

It sells, but does alienating your fan base worth it? Since when does Bioware promise side missions? You're clearly the minorty here. Look at Dragon Age 2 I'm sure alot of people thought they were promised many things like even having old characters return or being able to player initiate conversations since almost every Bioware RPG has had it. Nothing is promised unless they confirm it. Bioware lies all the time. Did you believe there wasn't a Prothean? They said there wasn't. 

[lumen11]

Rip504 wrote...
Once Bioware seperated it,it became extra lol. Side missions? Really? No they are not extra,Garrus is not extra. Anything Bioware promised to be part of ME is not extyra. It is the content that creates the game. Yes Ignorance is bliss. Obviously. As if you don't buy it,it never takes place. Hence something extra in your ME3. If it was meant to be there for free then it would have been, I mean are you really serious? Supply and demand. Minority complaining about DLC day one or not. It sells and money talks and BS walks.

I don't know. If a game provides enough content without these 'extras' and they are not central to the story, I don't mind paying extra (ME DLC was too expensive though).

Still, I have a hard time imagining a Prothean character as not central to the storyline. And if he isn't, he might not be too interesting.

[CMD-Shep]

If you buy the CE, this whole thread becomes pointless.

[finc.loki]

Rip504 wrote...

Garrus is in ME1 ME2 ME3...
The newest squadmate has never even been heard of in the last 50,000 years...

Garrus would have been cut,not added. The newest squadmate is being added...

And if garrus or Tali were unimportant and not fan favs,they may have been cut,and if that were to happen and I wanted them... I would buy them. Garrus and Tali would be top selling DLC day one.

But these players are known to us,fans favs,and would have been officially cut. This is content that may have been cut from ME3 and is now being added as extra content,which it is both new and extra. Garrus Tali and our newest member are completely different situations.

Another failed attempt.

Liara was a MAJOR plot and part of the story in ME1, she was basically cut/demoted to a cameo role in ME2.
Wrex, Kaidan or Ashely, depending on which survive was also major characters that are back as PERMANENT members in ME3, they were also gone from ME2.

So going by that they COULD cut Garrus or Tali, and just have them as DLC "EXTRA" content.

No matter how you look at it, it IS A MONEY GRAB. For a completely unarguable fact that this "extra" content was done BEFORE the game was released and is intertwined as a PERMANENT member.
They could have included this with the discs and digital downloads.
They never even had to mention it and no one would be any wiser and He (the DLC) would just be a PART OF THE MAIN STORY.
But in an attempt at gaining more money, they cut it out and charge extra for it.

How hard is that to understand, honestly it is a very simple concept.
It can be done with anything in the game.

DLC that is made AFTER the game is out is a whole different ball game, it was not concieved DURING the game development.
For example Lair of the shadow broker, I have no problem with that DLC cause it is EXTRA content out 240 days later, a side mission  if you will.
But Day 1 is ALWAYS Day 1 content and can be included with the price of the game.

Why are you even defending this? Don't you think Bioware can do that on their own, do you like paying more for content that should just be included?
Why don't you pay $10 more for any movie you see and just tell the cashier that you think a part of the movie and or book could have had a part ripped out for an $10 and you want to pay that for NO REASON AT ALL than to lose money.

There is this term called "sheep", and if the shoe fits.

[Envor44]

^
Or...if there is no DLC,extra content at all everyone's happy.

[DifferentD17]

Bethesda would make millions if they had "extra" content like this. Download The Stormcloak Ulfric DLC, or the Dark Brotherhood DLC. Like someone said early most of Skyrim could be considered extra, but they don't alienate their fans by charging them for BS DLC. They spent extra time and care and didn't release it as soon as possible by rushing it.

[Rip504]

DifferentD17 wrote...

It sells, but does alienating your fan base worth it? Since when does Bioware promise side missions? You're clearly the minorty here. Look at Dragon Age 2 I'm sure alot of people thought they were promised many things like even having old characters return or being able to player initiate conversations since almost every Bioware RPG has had it. Nothing is promised unless they confirm it. Bioware lies all the time. Did you believe there wasn't a Prothean? They said there wasn't. 

 Lmao.
Clearly. lol
So Bioware/EA whom all accuse of now talioring to the genersl fan/Shooter fan,is making DLC for a selected few... Really? Do you beleive your own words? On this thread im not even in the minority. Horrbile.

Promised meant confirmed,you answered the rest yourself lol.

Guess what? Prothean isn't part of ME3. It's additional content that can be added.

[CG50]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Bethesda would make millions if they had "extra" content like this. Download The Stormcloak Ulfric DLC, or the Dark Brotherhood DLC. Like someone said early most of Skyrim could be considered extra, but they don't alienate their fans by charging them for BS DLC. They spent extra time and care and didn't release it as soon as possible by rushing it.

But they will have dlc, and you could argue that it should have been in the main game. Xbox gets it 30 days early if i remember the ad correctly. 

[Rip504]

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Garrus is in ME1 ME2 ME3...
The newest squadmate has never even been heard of in the last 50,000 years...

Garrus would have been cut,not added. The newest squadmate is being added...

And if garrus or Tali were unimportant and not fan favs,they may have been cut,and if that were to happen and I wanted them... I would buy them. Garrus and Tali would be top selling DLC day one.

But these players are known to us,fans favs,and would have been officially cut. This is content that may have been cut from ME3 and is now being added as extra content,which it is both new and extra. Garrus Tali and our newest member are completely different situations.

Another failed attempt.

Liara was a MAJOR plot and part of the story in ME1, she was basically cut/demoted to a cameo role in ME2.
Wrex, Kaidan or Ashely, depending on which survive was also major characters that are back as PERMANENT members in ME3, they were also gone from ME2.

So going by that they COULD cut Garrus or Tali, and just have them as DLC "EXTRA" content.

No matter how you look at it, it IS A MONEY GRAB. For a completely unarguable fact that this "extra" content was done BEFORE the game was released and is intertwined as a PERMANENT member.
They could have included this with the discs and digital downloads.
They never even had to mention it and no one would be any wiser and He (the DLC) would just be a PART OF THE MAIN STORY.
But in an attempt at gaining more money, they cut it out and charge extra for it.

How hard is that to understand, honestly it is a very simple concept.
It can be done with anything in the game.

DLC that is made AFTER the game is out is a whole different ball game, it was not concieved DURING the game development.
For example Lair of the shadow broker, I have no problem with that DLC cause it is EXTRA content out 240 days later, a side mission  if you will.
But Day 1 is ALWAYS Day 1 content and can be included with the price of the game.

Why are you even defending this? Don't you think Bioware can do that on their own, do you like paying more for content that should just be included?
Why don't you pay $10 more for any movie you see and just tell the cashier that you think a part of the movie and or book could have had a part ripped out for an $10 and you want to pay that for NO REASON AT ALL than to lose money.

There is this term called "sheep", and if the shoe fits.

 Your an . Honestly. I have been saying all night it is a way to make money. It is smart business. One of us has trouble with comprehension,but it's not me. So DLC has to have a time limit? Why? "Cuz you say so yo"

So why don't you go spam every company that sells an item that needs batteries without them. Good night.

Modifié par Rip504, 22 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[lumen11]

finc.loki wrote...

Why are you even defending this? Don't you think Bioware can do that on their own, do you like paying more for content that should just be included?
Why don't you pay $10 more for any movie you see and just tell the cashier that you think a part of the movie and or book could have had a part ripped out for an $10 and you want to pay that for NO REASON AT ALL than to lose money.

There is this term called "sheep", and if the shoe fits.

Shortsighted....

It's a matter of give and take isn't it? Designers can provide more if people pay a little more. While I agree there is a certain amount of trickery going on with DLC right now - custormers are paying for something they wouldn't have necessarily otherwise - it just means we have to be a little more critical of what we buy.

DLC is still relatively new, but it's starting to become the standard. Soon enough people will no longer simply buy everything that designers offer them. For example, since ME2 I've learned that the weapon and outfit DLC really wasn't worth it, so I'll be a lot more careful buying that kind of stuff for ME3.

Modifié par lumen11, 22 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

This is old news.... Like really. I've known this for months now so this isn't anything "surprising". Well I guess it's because I knew about the Prothean squadmate and that the collectors edition came with a "Spoiler DLC character" it seemed obvious to me... and its not "core content" its a little bonus character DLC... It'll be probably as important as Zaeed was in ME2...so everyone needs to chill out about this... Or don't cuz its making me laugh seeing how I've known this for months. Oh and if anyone says or thinks that Zaeed was important "core content" for ME2... you shouldn't play Mass Effect ever again.

Also seeing how i know you guys won't calm down... This is BSN... I guess all i can really do is this... Hahaha! Too bad I have the N7 Ed. Have fun paying 10$ everyone!

Modifié par xlI ReFLeX lIx, 22 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[Rip504]

Slash_luke wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Slash_luke wrote...

Rip504: i don´t agree. If it´s crucial for the plot (and specifically Arrival IS) then it should be
a) in the end of the original game (ME2)
at the beginning of subsequent game (ME3)
c) or as a free DLC for ME2

I don´t think that EA/Bioware´s approach in this case is fair to the players (aka customers).
btw: I bought Arrival anyway, but only because I didn´t have any other choice (except for piracy) and I want to know >>"what the hell is going on"<< in the beginning of ME3.

You are on the forums... You know what "the hell" is going on.

You bought the DLC to play and exp. it yourself.

Extra,content,extra playtime,extra story,extra work,marketing etc.

They have the right to charge you extra for something extra. That you wish to play and they created.

Yeah you are right, maybe we can have whole story here on the forum and game could be just some CGI and credits - for the full price of course.

Maybe you haven´t heard about that, but when there is a story separated into "chapters" (each Mass Effect is like one large chapter) it´s common practise, that each chapter begins where previous chapter ended.
But here, you have to pay extra for ending of chapter two if you want to know what led to the events at the beginning of chapter three.

I think that´s strange and not fair, that´s all. I don´t mind paying for EXTRA content which don´t have impact on the story itself (like Overlord or even The Shadow Broker DLC).

Was that a lame attempt at humor?
Tell me this smartass. By coming to the forums can you not find out what happen during Arrival for free?
Could you not find out what happen in ME1,2,& soon ME3 by coming to these forums?

Then what I said was 100 percent  facts. Your paying to play it yourself,not find out what happens as you can easily do that here.For Free,so maybe you should go "pay" for a better insult.
 Twist my words again and I'll send you back to the Bathroom holding you own ass "again".

So Shadow Broker has nothing to do with ME plot? You are willing to pay for pointless DLC but not meaningful DLC. Enough Said.

[finc.loki]

Rip504 wrote...

LoL read some of these posts. Really?
I support DLC,I said why. And why it makes sense,as it does make money so actions speak louder then words. It doesn't need defending. I'm stating why I understand and am ok with it.
I fully understand why you feel cheated and want something for free. Because your cheap. And feel as if it was cut and now there trying to make money off of something that could of been in the game to begin with. No duh! and the problem is? Your to cheap to pay for it.

There are no morales here. It's simply about the 10 dollars. horrible. If you create something you want to be paid as much as possible for it. Thats just smart business.

There supply is in demand. It's when 20's become 25's...

Once Bioware seperated it,it became extra lol. Side missions? Really? No they are not extra,Garrus is not extra. Anything Bioware promised to be part of ME is not extyra. It is the content that creates the game. Yes Ignorance is bliss. Obviously. As if you don't buy it,it never takes place. Hence something extra in your ME3. If it was meant to be there for free then it would have been, I mean are you really serious? Supply and demand. Minority complaining about DLC day one or not. It sells and money talks and BS walks.

Wanting something for free?
Do you even think before you post? Did you somehow forget that we ALL pay a minimum of $60 to even have the game.
How on EARTH can that be 'wanting it for free'...
Since when is it "minority complainging about Day 1 DLC", when you take your head out of the sand you might start to realize the VAST majority of gamers complain about DAY 1 DLC.
Not DLC in itself, but DAY DLC1, It has become abundandtly clear why you don't get WHY it's being complained about.
It's like someone told you a joke and it went straight over your head, and you sit there with glazed eye's.

I hope I meet you in real life, I bet I could sell ICE to you even if you lived in the Arctic. I would just say "supply and demand, didn't you hear there is a global warming going on".

Anyways, I think I'm done responding to you with this, I have four walls here I can talk to instead, it be more interesting.

[DifferentD17]

Rip504 wrote...

 Lmao.
Clearly. lol
So Bioware/EA whom all accuse of now talioring to the genersl fan/Shooter fan,is making DLC for a selected few... Really? Do you beleive your own words? On this thread im not even in the minority. Horrbile.

Promised meant confirmed,you answered the rest yourself lol.

Guess what? Prothean isn't part of ME3. It's additional content that can be added.

It isn't worth it look at the backlash from DA2 some people won't buy any Bioware game now. DA2 is being sold for less then DA:O without any DLC attached.

No he is part of ME3 he will most definitely comment on missions so he is part of the game. ANY squadmate can be "additional" then. How is he not part of the game?! They aren't making DLC, it should be part of the game.

[Selor Kiith]

Rip504 wrote...
Tell me this smartass. By coming to the forums can you not find out what happen during Arrival for free?

I simply don't have to search the games Forum to get what's going on in the direct sequel or have to pay for it if it doesn't come with a complete addon...