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[DifferentD17]

Rip504 wrote...

 Your an . Honestly. I have been saying all night it is a way to make money. It is smart business. One of us has trouble with comprehension,but it's not me. So DLC has to have a time limit? Why? "Cuz you say so yo"

So why don't you go spam every company that sells an item that needs batteries without them. Good night.

You keep saying things about "batteries", but you forget the thing you buy says "*batteries not included". ME3 will not say "all characters not included". Also batteries are different brands from the manufacturer of something that needs batteries.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Rip504 wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Garrus is in ME1 ME2 ME3...
The newest squadmate has never even been heard of in the last 50,000 years...

Garrus would have been cut,not added. The newest squadmate is being added...

And if garrus or Tali were unimportant and not fan favs,they may have been cut,and if that were to happen and I wanted them... I would buy them. Garrus and Tali would be top selling DLC day one.

But these players are known to us,fans favs,and would have been officially cut. This is content that may have been cut from ME3 and is now being added as extra content,which it is both new and extra. Garrus Tali and our newest member are completely different situations.

Another failed attempt.

Liara was a MAJOR plot and part of the story in ME1, she was basically cut/demoted to a cameo role in ME2.
Wrex, Kaidan or Ashely, depending on which survive was also major characters that are back as PERMANENT members in ME3, they were also gone from ME2.

So going by that they COULD cut Garrus or Tali, and just have them as DLC "EXTRA" content.(1)

No matter how you look at it, it IS A MONEY GRAB. For a completely unarguable fact that this "extra" content was done BEFORE the game was released and is intertwined as a PERMANENT member.
They could have included this with the discs and digital downloads.
They never even had to mention it and no one would be any wiser and He (the DLC) would just be a PART OF THE MAIN STORY.
But in an attempt at gaining more money, they cut it out and charge extra for it.

How hard is that to understand, honestly it is a very simple concept.
It can be done with anything in the game.

DLC that is made AFTER the game is out is a whole different ball game, it was not concieved DURING the game development.
For example Lair of the shadow broker, I have no problem with that DLC cause it is EXTRA content out 240 days later, a side mission  if you will.
But Day 1 is ALWAYS Day 1 content and can be included with the price of the game.

Why are you even defending this? Don't you think Bioware can do that on their own, do you like paying more for content that should just be included?
Why don't you pay $10 more for any movie you see and just tell the cashier that you think a part of the movie and or book could have had a part ripped out for an $10 and you want to pay that for NO REASON AT ALL than to lose money.

There is this term called "sheep", and if the shoe fits.

 Your an . Honestly. I have been saying all night it is a way to make money. It is smart business. One of us has trouble with comprehension,but it's not me. So DLC has to have a time limit? Why? "Cuz you say so yo"

So why don't you go spam every company that sells an item that needs batteries without them. Good night.(2)

1. This is the dumbest thing I've heard. Liara,Wrex and VS weren't DLC in ME2... they were cameo.. They weren't "cut" from the game. If BioWare wants to make Tali and Garrus cameo for ME3, go ahead... but saying the might as well sell them as extra DLC is stupid and completely incomparable to this Prothean situation.This whole sentence is stupid and you know if. Stop exaggerating.


 
2. Bam! Well said. Owned.

[finc.loki]

Moondoggie wrote...

finc.loki wrote...



You are starting to annoy me.

You do realize that technically everything can then be considered "extra content", Garrus is not needed to complete the game and have an ending, neither is Tali and so on it goes.
You can remove EVERY SINGLE SIDE MISSION, cause they are just side missions, and not  MAIN mission.

Seriously get a grip here.

It's like Peter Jacksson remove the whole "mines of Moria" from Lord of the rings first movie, it is just "extra content". You don't NEED it to finish the movie and to finally reach the ending of the trilogy.
Sure you might wonder why Gandalf doesn't exist all of a sudden and who that balrog is he is fighting in the next movie at the start.

This IS content that is weaved into the story.
I truly get annoyed with people that doesn't realize this and just needs to defend something they don't understand.
I don't hate Bioware and think their games are bad just because I point out something that is wrong.

No matter how you try and twist and bend things, this IS content that was designed to fit WITHIN the parameters of the story, it is not something taking place AFTER or BEFORE the game, it happens DURING the game.
In order for the content/DLC to be ready to be used DAY ONE it has to be finished, which means it could and should have been included WITH the game.

They are doing this to get more money, and yes EA, not so much Bioware, cause Bioware is OWNED by EA, they don't get more money from this.

Effectively they raised the price for the game ( that is if you want the whole game as it is at launch) to $70 and even $80 for CE.
I guess you forgot to see that they effectively forgot to mention to ALL the CE buyers that they don't have to spend $80 to get the "from ashes" DLC, but only $70. Just another "witholding information" so people buy the CE for even MORE money.
This is the reason WHY I didn't buy the CE version, and saved myself $10, I don't care about steel hard case and ueseless stuff like that.
BUT I DO care about game content.

Isn't it funny that "Shale" was free for EVERYONE that bought a NEW copy of DA:O, but now this ME3 "shale" (from ashes) cost $10 or you have to buy CE edition.
Just the last game ME2 had Zaeed for free too.

Ignorance is bliss.

The CE comes with more content which you fail to mention which is useless or usefull depending on definition. Some people want the special case and the soundtrack and the extra DLC that comes with it as well as the DLC character.

And of course they are doing it to make money you talk like they are doing something wrong. It's a business and it exists to make money from developing entertainment just like Peter Jackson does. Or do you believe he just signs off on more and more super extra special editions of LoTR with an extra 2 minutes of footage that was cut out and a special collectors case just out the goodness of his heart and not to make more money from royaltees?

Additional content and versions are good money makers for all entertainment ventures and no you don;t need to buy DLC just as you don't need to buy the entended versions of LoTR if you don't want to. The extra story content is OPTIONAL it doesn't change the ending or have much impact on the story of any. Even the Free DLC characters such as Shale and Zaeed would anyone miss them if they were not in the story? Did they really add a crucial story element to the game? You talk like they are cutting out the real ending and then charging you to see it.

But i imagine as you cry foul over EA for charging people to buy DLC content you are likely sat watching your 50th version of the Star Wars boxed set you bought with super HD and extra 20  seconds of footage with shiny gold case not realising your own hypocrisy.

talk all you want this is how simple it is:

IT'S DAY 1 DLC, it could have been included and SHOULD'VE been included from the start.
They took it out in order to charge us more.
Do you see every other game having the same situation? Did Bethesda take anything out, like lets say 75 dungeous out of Skyrim(not needed to complete the game) and say " hey pay us another $15 for these dungeons that are available DAY FN ONE, meaning we already MADE THEM and took them out to charge YOU more for content that SHOULD be included.

DLC made AFTER a game has come out is a completely different story.

I can't believe how some people function when they want to and actually DEFEND being RIPPED OFF.
Good thing an IQ test is not needed to buy a game cause then publishers would be out of business before long.

Modifié par finc.loki, 22 février 2012 - 12:29 .

[Landioma]

Man, what a trollhaven.
Just hateful comments everywhere (I'm looking at you, rip)
I'm against the idea of DLC of this importance being day one. A few weeks after? Sure. Anything that we actually had to wait for, but day one?

Nonetheless, I am a fan of the lore and wouldn't be surprised if I bought this - But after this game, I don't really have any plans to buy more bioware games. I don't like the principles they've taken to.
I'm not really into buying games after the main trilogy has been finished (the one exception is reach, and it wasn't all that good).

Point is: Prothean DLC feels pretty god damn relevant, and is obviously made to cash in on the people who haven't bought the origin / CE version. I will probably be buying it, but damn me if I buy anything more extra.

AND NOTE: This isn't a call on any of you hateful people to come and try to make me angry. Keep your funny little comments to yourself, because you won't be able to budge my opinion about it.

[Rip504]

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

LoL read some of these posts. Really?
I support DLC,I said why. And why it makes sense,as it does make money so actions speak louder then words. It doesn't need defending. I'm stating why I understand and am ok with it.
I fully understand why you feel cheated and want something for free. Because your cheap. And feel as if it was cut and now there trying to make money off of something that could of been in the game to begin with. No duh! and the problem is? Your to cheap to pay for it.

There are no morales here. It's simply about the 10 dollars. horrible. If you create something you want to be paid as much as possible for it. Thats just smart business.

There supply is in demand. It's when 20's become 25's...

Once Bioware seperated it,it became extra lol. Side missions? Really? No they are not extra,Garrus is not extra. Anything Bioware promised to be part of ME is not extyra. It is the content that creates the game. Yes Ignorance is bliss. Obviously. As if you don't buy it,it never takes place. Hence something extra in your ME3. If it was meant to be there for free then it would have been, I mean are you really serious? Supply and demand. Minority complaining about DLC day one or not. It sells and money talks and BS walks.

Wanting something for free?
Do you even think before you post? Did you somehow forget that we ALL pay a minimum of $60 to even have the game.
How on EARTH can that be 'wanting it for free'...
Since when is it "minority complainging about Day 1 DLC", when you take your head out of the sand you might start to realize the VAST majority of gamers complain about DAY 1 DLC.
Not DLC in itself, but DAY DLC1, It has become abundandtly clear why you don't get WHY it's being complained about.
It's like someone told you a joke and it went straight over your head, and you sit there with glazed eye's.

I hope I meet you in real life, I bet I could sell ICE to you even if you lived in the Arctic. I would just say "supply and demand, didn't you hear there is a global warming going on".

Anyways, I think I'm done responding to you with this, I have four walls here I can talk to instead, it be more interesting.

 Ignorance you do want something for free. You want a now 10 dollar squadmate to be included for free. Honestly how is that not wanting something for free? Wow we all pay 60 dollars it's not free,and the squadmate is not part of that 60,and you want it to be, Hence wanting it for free.

Sales say Day One DLC works just fine, If you were to meet me in real life your pockets would be empty by the end of our meeting. I pay for what I want. I inform myself of the situation before I run my mouth and claim it as the only blind truth. LoL you are a bad joke.

You can get upset,but it really is just supply and demand, If ppl didn't buy it and it cost Bioware money they wouldn't  do it. And since Bioware has done it 3 times now,it's safe to say Bioware Day One DLC sells.

I clearly stated I do not hate on companies making money. Getting paid however money is made is a fact of life,one your obviously missing, buthurt over 10 dollars lol.
I bought the CE 8 months ago,

Modifié par Rip504, 22 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

 Your an . Honestly. I have been saying all night it is a way to make money. It is smart business. One of us has trouble with comprehension,but it's not me. So DLC has to have a time limit? Why? "Cuz you say so yo"

So why don't you go spam every company that sells an item that needs batteries without them. Good night.

You keep saying things about "batteries", but you forget the thing you buy says "*batteries not included". ME3 will not say "all characters not included". Also batteries are different brands from the manufacturer of something that needs batteries.

ME3 won't say "all characters not included" because that is a lie. All ME3 characters ARE included. The rest are extra. And the "Alliance News Nerwork" on the main menu will say "Hey there's an optional Prothean DLC character that isn't included in the game that you can purchase if you want!"

[Pompiliu92]

I believe you all remember when Chris Priestly posted about the Collector's Edition and it said "Prothen Squad mate" and after 5 mins he deleted that line )

[DifferentD17]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

 Your an . Honestly. I have been saying all night it is a way to make money. It is smart business. One of us has trouble with comprehension,but it's not me. So DLC has to have a time limit? Why? "Cuz you say so yo"

So why don't you go spam every company that sells an item that needs batteries without them. Good night.

You keep saying things about "batteries", but you forget the thing you buy says "*batteries not included". ME3 will not say "all characters not included". Also batteries are different brands from the manufacturer of something that needs batteries.

ME3 won't say "all characters not included" because that is a lie. All ME3 characters ARE included. The rest are extra. And the "Alliance News Nerwork" on the main menu will say "Hey there's an optional Prothean DLC character that isn't included in the game that you can purchase if you want!"

Yes, but not everyone has internet., and technically Prothy is a part of ME3 and is a character. He really shouldn't be optional.

[finc.loki]

exskeeny wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Selor Kiith wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

If I don't fork out the extra $10 for the From ashes DLC I will always feel like some "pages was ripped out of my book" so to speak. There is no argument against that.

Nope,but you are the one tearing out the pages,not Bioware.

Nope, it's actually them ripping out pages from the middle of the book, selling you the ripped book and telling you that you can get the pages back when you fork over more money...

You would burn every Bookstore that acted like that but it's okay here?

No it's nothing like that. LoL
Nothing is missing from ME3. It's extra content. Period.

It would be like them charging for an additional separate book that had something to do with the book you purchased. You would fully expect this. Why not here?

You are starting to annoy me.

You do realize that technically everything can then be considered "extra content", Garrus is not needed to complete the game and have an ending, neither is Tali and so on it goes.
You can remove EVERY SINGLE SIDE MISSION, cause they are just side missions, and not  MAIN mission.

Seriously get a grip here.

It's like Peter Jacksson remove the whole "mines of Moria" from Lord of the rings first movie, it is just "extra content". You don't NEED it to finish the movie and to finally reach the ending of the trilogy.
Sure you might wonder why Gandalf doesn't exist all of a sudden and who that balrog is he is fighting in the next movie at the start.

This IS content that is weaved into the story.
I truly get annoyed with people that doesn't realize this and just needs to defend something they don't understand.
I don't hate Bioware and think their games are bad just because I point out something that is wrong.

No matter how you try and twist and bend things, this IS content that was designed to fit WITHIN the parameters of the story, it is not something taking place AFTER or BEFORE the game, it happens DURING the game.
In order for the content/DLC to be ready to be used DAY ONE it has to be finished, which means it could and should have been included WITH the game.

They are doing this to get more money, and yes EA, not so much Bioware, cause Bioware is OWNED by EA, they don't get more money from this.

Effectively they raised the price for the game ( that is if you want the whole game as it is at launch) to $70 and even $80 for CE.
I guess you forgot to see that they effectively forgot to mention to ALL the CE buyers that they don't have to spend $80 to get the "from ashes" DLC, but only $70. Just another "witholding information" so people buy the CE for even MORE money.That is until the last 2 weeks until launch (damage done IOW).
This is the reason WHY I didn't buy the CE version, and saved myself $10, I don't care about steel hard case and ueseless stuff like that.
BUT I DO care about game content.

Isn't it funny that "Shale" was free for EVERYONE that bought a NEW copy of DA:O, but now this ME3 "shale" (from ashes) cost $10 or you have to buy CE edition.
Just the last game ME2 had Zaeed for free too.

Ignorance is bliss.

I'd compare it more to Tom Bombadil rather than the Mines of Moria. If Peter Jackson had filmed it, then removed it, then we all went to the cinema to see the Fellowship, then they released it in the cinema again with the new "singing hippy" content at extra cost.

At the end of the day It's not game content it is extra content. you do not need this character and his mission to complete the full game. If you want it pay for it, if not don't pay for it and you don't miss out on the full ME3 game experience.

But it ISN'T EXTRA CONTENT, it was designed, planned and intertwined into the game BEFORE IT HAS COME OUT.
What part of that is so hard for some to understand.
Saying it is "extra" cause it is not vital to complete the game is preposterous. 
All the side missions are then extra too, this is WHY they are called "side" missions cause they are not a part of the MAIN story.
So tell me why not take all of them out and charge us for it as well, DAY ONE!

Isn't it even more evident when in DA:O you weren't CHARGED for "shale as extra content" if you bought the game new.
Do you not see the difference here? They have realized that they can charge these thing now cause  we have invested so much time in ME already that we WANT all the content.
I feel cheated if I don't pay for this DLC, that I will miss out on something.

I want to rip my skin off in frustration on why this is not so crystal clear. Also this is NOT Biowares doing, they get whatever money they get.
They are owned by EA, it is EA that wants this.

Sure I understand they are a business and want more money, but there is something called seedy and unfair practises. 
Saying "don't like it , don't buy it" would not fit here either, since as I said, people like me have invested time and enjoyed these games, of course we want all the content day one.
Why do you think the squadmate is a *******, cause WE KNOW the back story about them, how SUPER INTERESTING it would be to talk to one and hear more about it.
If this was Zaeed, I couldn't care less, but a ********, one being alive honestly feel super important and special.
Now Bioware might have made it into a pointless character I don't know but the premise of such a character makes me WANT it and NEED it as an ME fan.
So they know this, they USE it and squeeze out more money from me.

And here you guys sit and CONDONE and defend being used, honestly it is scary. No sense of self-respect at all it would seem.

Modifié par finc.loki, 22 février 2012 - 12:42 .

[Apple_NdiB]

Good thing this is all over the internet, I wouldn't want to go into Mass Effect 3 without having details spoiled for me despite my best attempts to avoid them and finding out that one of the most important species in the Mass Effect universe has been consigned to an optional piece of cynically delivered content. And breath.

Modifié par Apple_NdiB, 22 février 2012 - 03:58 .

[DifferentD17]

So I'm buying a PS3 version and an Xbox CE version so my fiancee and I can play at the same time. Why should I have to buy 2 Collectors versions to get the full experience? I'm not being cheap I'm being fair. If I were being cheap I'd wait for it used.

[Eire Icon]

finc.loki wrote...

talk all you want this is how simple it is:

IT'S DAY 1 DLC, it could have been included and SHOULD'VE been included from the start.

They took it out in order to charge us more.

Why should it be included from the start?, because you say so?

Its an optional add on, not required to play or complete the game. If you want to play it, pony up the $10 and play, if not don't the decision is entirely up to you.

finc.loki wrote...

I can't believe how some people function when they want to and actually DEFEND being RIPPED OFF.
Good thing an IQ test is not needed to buy a game cause then publishers would be out of business before long.

How are you being ripped off if you exercise your right not to purchase the DLC?

Will your standard edition not work?
Will you be unable to play the game ?

At the end of the day its entirely up to you. You can get the CE which includes the content, or you can pay for the content on release day. Or you can simply decide its not worth it and use your money for something else. Your money, your call.

Just stop whinging about it

[finc.loki]

Eire Icon wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

talk all you want this is how simple it is:

IT'S DAY 1 DLC, it could have been included and SHOULD'VE been included from the start.

They took it out in order to charge us more.

Why should it be included from the start?, because you say so?

Its an optional add on, not required to play or complete the game. If you want to play it, pony up the $10 and play, if not don't the decision is entirely up to you.

finc.loki wrote...

I can't believe how some people function when they want to and actually DEFEND being RIPPED OFF.
Good thing an IQ test is not needed to buy a game cause then publishers would be out of business before long.

How are you being ripped off if you exercise your right not to purchase the DLC?

Will your standard edition not work?
Will you be unable to play the game ?

At the end of the day its entirely up to you. You can get the CE which includes the content, or you can pay for the content on release day. Or you can simply decide its not worth it and use your money for something else. Your money, your call.

Just stop whinging about it

Then why is anything included in the game? What exactly are we paying $60 for?
Why not remove the side missions and charge for them as well, they are also just "extra" content.
My standard edition would work without almost any content, I could probably strip the game to it's bare essentials to complete the story too.

[Selor Kiith]

Eire Icon wrote...
Why should it be included from the start?, because you say so?

Its an optional add on, not required to play or complete the game. If you want to play it, pony up the $10 and play, if not don't the decision is entirely up to you.

Nothing is required but Feros, Noveria, Therum, Virmire, Ilos, Citadel Spacetour and Shepard... your point being?
Nothing was required but Horizon, Collector Ship, Reaper, Collector Base and Shepard... your point being?

finc.loki wrote...

Then why is anything included in the game? What exactly are we paying $60 for?
Why not remove the side missions and charge for them as well, they are also just "extra" content.
My standard edition would work without almost any content, I could probably strip the game to it's bare essentials to complete the story too.

You know, as I know, the Gaming Industry is moving rapidly towards exactly this...

Games stripped to their bare minimum with absolutely anything that can be remotely called "extra" cut and sold as DLC, both with horrendous prices...

Modifié par Selor Kiith, 22 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[Rip504]

DifferentD17 wrote...

So I'm buying a PS3 version and an Xbox CE version so my fiancee and I can play at the same time. Why should I have to buy 2 Collectors versions to get the full experience? I'm not being cheap I'm being fair. If I were being cheap I'd wait for it used.

Bioware links accounts,if i'm not mistaken Pre-order bonuses (CE) linked to your account are availiable on every system you own the game on.

[DifferentD17]

Eire Icon wrote...


Why should it be included from the start?, because you say so?

Its an optional add on, not required to play or complete the game. If you want to play it, pony up the $10 and play, if not don't the decision is entirely up to you.



How are you being ripped off if you exercise your right not to purchase the DLC?

Will your standard edition not work?
Will you be unable to play the game ?

At the end of the day its entirely up to you. You can get the CE which includes the content, or you can pay for the content on release day. Or you can simply decide its not worth it and use your money for something else. Your money, your call.

Just stop whinging about it

It should be included, because it was meant to be, but behind the scenes they took it out. That's why we are being ripped off. No the Standard edition will still play, but it will be missing a good chunk.

Why don't you stop whining? This forum is about discussion. Leave  if you don't want to discuss things.

[Rip504]

finc.loki wrote...

Then why is anything included in the game? What exactly are we paying $60 for?
Why not remove the side missions and charge for them as well, they are also just "extra" content.
My standard edition would work without almost any content, I could probably strip the game to it's bare essentials to complete the story too.

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Worst arguement I have ever seen.
It's not the whole game,it's one unknown factor.
You are dramatic!!!!

Edit" Obviously ppl will buy a few DLCs.
Who in there right mind would buy a bare game. Look at the failure that is DA2 for an eample.
2 dlcs later and it's done.

Modifié par Rip504, 22 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[finc.loki]

CG50 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Bethesda would make millions if they had "extra" content like this. Download The Stormcloak Ulfric DLC, or the Dark Brotherhood DLC. Like someone said early most of Skyrim could be considered extra, but they don't alienate their fans by charging them for BS DLC. They spent extra time and care and didn't release it as soon as possible by rushing it.

But they will have dlc, and you could argue that it should have been in the main game. Xbox gets it 30 days early if i remember the ad correctly. 

How can one argue that the DLC Bethesda makes AFTER THE GAME IS RELASED, should be included when it didn't even exist.

Are you aware of what you just typed? Skyrim has been out for 3 months and still no DLC cause it doesn't exist yet.
So how could anyone claim that it should have been there from the start.
This is not even on the same topic. we are talking DAY 1 DLC, it means it was done and develope during game development of the game.
They removed it from the game and charge extra for it.

[DifferentD17]

Rip504 wrote...

Bioware links accounts,if i'm not mistaken Pre-order bonuses (CE) linked to your account are availiable on every system you own the game on.

My fiancee and I don't have the same account, and don't get me started on the horrible EA account mess. You can't link accounts if you already have it connected to an EA master account.

[xentar]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all!

We're happy to confirm that Mass Effect 3: From Ashes DLC will be available at launch for all platforms. For those of you who have purchased the N7 Collector's Edition (including the PC Digital Deluxe Edition), you will get this content at no extra charge. We'll have a lot more details for you later this week! Stay Tuned!

Greetings. Will it be included in the digital deluxe edition, or available as a separate download? Are there any regional restrictions?

[DifferentD17]

Rip504 wrote...

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Worst arguement I have ever seen.
It's not the whole game,it's one unknown factor.
You are dramatic!!!!

Edit" Obviously ppl will buy a few DLCs.
Who in there right mind would buy a bare game. Look at the failure that is DA2 for an eample.
2 dlcs later and it's done.

The "unknown factor" is a species that is the most important alien species in the galaxy, you can't tell me he won't have some impact. You either meet the last remaining prothean an 50000 year old extinct species, or you don't.

Modifié par DifferentD17, 22 février 2012 - 12:57 .

[finc.loki]

Rip504 wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Garrus is in ME1 ME2 ME3...
The newest squadmate has never even been heard of in the last 50,000 years...

Garrus would have been cut,not added. The newest squadmate is being added...

And if garrus or Tali were unimportant and not fan favs,they may have been cut,and if that were to happen and I wanted them... I would buy them. Garrus and Tali would be top selling DLC day one.

But these players are known to us,fans favs,and would have been officially cut. This is content that may have been cut from ME3 and is now being added as extra content,which it is both new and extra. Garrus Tali and our newest member are completely different situations.

Another failed attempt.

Liara was a MAJOR plot and part of the story in ME1, she was basically cut/demoted to a cameo role in ME2.
Wrex, Kaidan or Ashely, depending on which survive was also major characters that are back as PERMANENT members in ME3, they were also gone from ME2.

So going by that they COULD cut Garrus or Tali, and just have them as DLC "EXTRA" content.

No matter how you look at it, it IS A MONEY GRAB. For a completely unarguable fact that this "extra" content was done BEFORE the game was released and is intertwined as a PERMANENT member.
They could have included this with the discs and digital downloads.
They never even had to mention it and no one would be any wiser and He (the DLC) would just be a PART OF THE MAIN STORY.
But in an attempt at gaining more money, they cut it out and charge extra for it.

How hard is that to understand, honestly it is a very simple concept.
It can be done with anything in the game.

DLC that is made AFTER the game is out is a whole different ball game, it was not concieved DURING the game development.
For example Lair of the shadow broker, I have no problem with that DLC cause it is EXTRA content out 240 days later, a side mission  if you will.
But Day 1 is ALWAYS Day 1 content and can be included with the price of the game.

Why are you even defending this? Don't you think Bioware can do that on their own, do you like paying more for content that should just be included?
Why don't you pay $10 more for any movie you see and just tell the cashier that you think a part of the movie and or book could have had a part ripped out for an $10 and you want to pay that for NO REASON AT ALL than to lose money.

There is this term called "sheep", and if the shoe fits.

 Your an . Honestly. I have been saying all night it is a way to make money. It is smart business. One of us has trouble with comprehension,but it's not me. So DLC has to have a time limit? Why? "Cuz you say so yo"

So why don't you go spam every company that sells an item that needs batteries without them. Good night.

Poor choice of arguement.

The company that makes the flash lights or most other items that need batteries doesn't manufacture said batteries, do you get it???They would have to pay extra to include the batteries, which many BTW actually DO...
Now there would be a whole different story if you went to the store to buy a four pack batteries and you only get 3 and then at the till they say, pay $5 more for the last battery.

I can easily win the argument, cause I argue out of reason, logic and fact. You don't even make sense in that you're defending to be charged for content that should just be included from the start.
Do you also got to a car dealer and say "hey let me pay you extra for the passenger seats, I know they are "extra" cause I don't NEED them to drive.

No matter how you flip it, it's silly.

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finc.loki wrote...

Then why is anything included in the game? What exactly are we paying $60 for?
Why not remove the side missions and charge for them as well, they are also just "extra" content.
My standard edition would work without almost any content, I could probably strip the game to it's bare essentials to complete the story too.

Your paying $60 for what has been advertised, numerous squadmates, numerous missions, side missions etc - what amounts to hours and hours of content. More then worth it in my opinion

The Protheon is an add-on, like Zaeed and like Kasumi or Sebastian and Shale in DA. Whats in the main game has an impact on the main game, side missions included.

You do realise that Bioware and EA are an actual business and not a charity don't you ?

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There's no good reason for day 1 dlc whatsoever, especially if it's charged $10 for it. No argument here has me convinced otherwise.