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[Crazy Soilder]

lol, someone got fired

[Obro]

I am glad that we have downloadable content before the game is even released. That's really nice and totally not cutting content to sell to us for more money. Thanks Bio- I mean EA.

[Eire Icon]

DifferentD17 wrote...

The "unknown factor" is a species that is the most important alien species in the galaxy, you can't tell me he won't have some impact. You either meet the last remaining prothean an 50000 year old extinct species, or you don't.

What kind of impact are you expecting him to have? The entire Protheon species was wiped out by the Reapers, whats one of them going to do?

Now granted I imagine there will be allot of lore revealed in terms of the Protheons themselves, and therir ultimatare destruction at the hands of the reapers, no doubt hugely interesting (to me anyway) which Is why I and many others have got the CE. But in terms of being essential to the main game, no I doubt it

[DifferentD17]

Eire Icon wrote...


Your paying $60 for what has been advertised, numerous squadmates, numerous missions, side missions etc - what amounts to hours and hours of content. More then worth it in my opinion

The Protheon is an add-on, like Zaeed and like Kasumi or Sebastian and Shale in DA. Whats in the main game has an impact on the main game, side missions included.

You do realise that Bioware and EA are an actual business and not a charity don't you ?

How is paying $60 to a company that has been ripping us off for years, ruining our favorite franchises, and making some DLC almost Mandatory a "charity"? If the Oil company charges up 30 cents more, hey they aren't a charity.

[finc.loki]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

This is old news.... Like really. I've known this for months now so this isn't anything "surprising". Well I guess it's because I knew about the Prothean squadmate and that the collectors edition came with a "Spoiler DLC character" it seemed obvious to me... and its not "core content" its a little bonus character DLC... It'll be probably as important as Zaeed was in ME2...so everyone needs to chill out about this... Or don't cuz its making me laugh seeing how I've known this for months. Oh and if anyone says or thinks that Zaeed was important "core content" for ME2... you shouldn't play Mass Effect ever again.

Also seeing how i know you guys won't calm down... This is BSN... I guess all i can really do is this... Hahaha! Too bad I have the N7 Ed. Have fun paying 10$ everyone!

Wow, you do know you paid, MORE right? Do some here really think this DLC is/was "free" with CE edition or N7 edition.
I guess that would explain how gullible some people are.

[Wulfram]

Look, Bioware are certainly entitled to sell their product however they want, obviously. As long as it's not dishonest, which this isn't really.

But it doesn't leave the best impression with me, and I think with others too.

[Obro]

Wulfram wrote...

Look, Bioware are certainly entitled to sell their product however they want, obviously. As long as it's not dishonest, which this isn't really.

But it doesn't leave the best impression with me, and I think with others too.

so cutting content from a main game that we have to pay 60$ for to sell us later as DLC is not dishonest? You sure have a strange way of seeing things.

[Eire Icon]

DifferentD17 wrote...

How is paying $60 to a company that has been ripping us off for years, ruining our favorite franchises, and making some DLC almost Mandatory a "charity"? If the Oil company charges up 30 cents more, hey they aren't a charity.

I have all ME DLC and I certainly don't feel ripped off. Its provided me hours of entertainment and I see it as value for money.

There is no DLC that is mandetory or even close to mandetory - there is a difference between wanting something and needing something

[Charsi]

I dunno the story that will be behind this character, but don't make sense being a DLC, I was thinking, since he's prothean, he's important to the story (I think or at least was thinking) and he must be in the main game!! Buuuuuut... nops.... anyway is all about the money, sure most of player will buy the DLC!!!! Wonder if any of this leaks are on purpose!

[DifferentD17]

Eire Icon wrote...

What kind of impact are you expecting him to have? The entire Protheon species was wiped out by the Reapers, whats one of them going to do?

Now granted I imagine there will be allot of lore revealed in terms of the Protheons themselves, and therir ultimatare destruction at the hands of the reapers, no doubt hugely interesting (to me anyway) which Is why I and many others have got the CE. But in terms of being essential to the main game, no I doubt it

So people that don't have enough money, or don't want the collectors edition, they don't get the full game? Yeah there will be alot of lore, about the main story, because the Protheans are a huge part of the story, the reapers would've been here sooner if it wasn't for the Protheans. Shepard would've have known about reapers, the keepers would've opened the relay alot sooner.

Modifié par DifferentD17, 22 février 2012 - 01:07 .

[Selor Kiith]

Eire Icon wrote...
What kind of impact are you expecting him to have? The entire Protheon species was wiped out by the Reapers, whats one of them going to do?

Now granted I imagine there will be allot of lore revealed in terms of the Protheons themselves, and therir ultimatare destruction at the hands of the reapers, no doubt hugely interesting (to me anyway) which Is why I and many others have got the CE. But in terms of being essential to the main game, no I doubt it

It better has to be a greater Impact or the 10 Bucks are an even greater Ripoff and don't get me started on Lore and Company Integrity...

Eire Icon wrote...
There is no DLC that is mandetory or even close to mandetory - there is a difference between wanting something and needing something

The Arrival is pretty much mandatory for the understanding as of why Shepard is on Earth and was trialed e.g. the complete beginning of the game...

[finc.loki]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Garrus is in ME1 ME2 ME3...
The newest squadmate has never even been heard of in the last 50,000 years...

Garrus would have been cut,not added. The newest squadmate is being added...

And if garrus or Tali were unimportant and not fan favs,they may have been cut,and if that were to happen and I wanted them... I would buy them. Garrus and Tali would be top selling DLC day one.

But these players are known to us,fans favs,and would have been officially cut. This is content that may have been cut from ME3 and is now being added as extra content,which it is both new and extra. Garrus Tali and our newest member are completely different situations.

Another failed attempt.

Liara was a MAJOR plot and part of the story in ME1, she was basically cut/demoted to a cameo role in ME2.
Wrex, Kaidan or Ashely, depending on which survive was also major characters that are back as PERMANENT members in ME3, they were also gone from ME2.

So going by that they COULD cut Garrus or Tali, and just have them as DLC "EXTRA" content.(1)

No matter how you look at it, it IS A MONEY GRAB. For a completely unarguable fact that this "extra" content was done BEFORE the game was released and is intertwined as a PERMANENT member.
They could have included this with the discs and digital downloads.
They never even had to mention it and no one would be any wiser and He (the DLC) would just be a PART OF THE MAIN STORY.
But in an attempt at gaining more money, they cut it out and charge extra for it.

How hard is that to understand, honestly it is a very simple concept.
It can be done with anything in the game.

DLC that is made AFTER the game is out is a whole different ball game, it was not concieved DURING the game development.
For example Lair of the shadow broker, I have no problem with that DLC cause it is EXTRA content out 240 days later, a side mission  if you will.
But Day 1 is ALWAYS Day 1 content and can be included with the price of the game.

Why are you even defending this? Don't you think Bioware can do that on their own, do you like paying more for content that should just be included?
Why don't you pay $10 more for any movie you see and just tell the cashier that you think a part of the movie and or book could have had a part ripped out for an $10 and you want to pay that for NO REASON AT ALL than to lose money.

There is this term called "sheep", and if the shoe fits.

 Your an . Honestly. I have been saying all night it is a way to make money. It is smart business. One of us has trouble with comprehension,but it's not me. So DLC has to have a time limit? Why? "Cuz you say so yo"

So why don't you go spam every company that sells an item that needs batteries without them. Good night.(2)

1. This is the dumbest thing I've heard. Liara,Wrex and VS weren't DLC in ME2... they were cameo.. They weren't "cut" from the game. If BioWare wants to make Tali and Garrus cameo for ME3, go ahead... but saying the might as well sell them as extra DLC is stupid and completely incomparable to this Prothean situation.This whole sentence is stupid and you know if. Stop exaggerating.


 
2. Bam! Well said. Owned.

Well said and owned, LOL..
Tell me genius, does a flashlight maker also make the batteries or are they made by ANOTHER COMPANY..
When you use that noggin for a little bit you come to realize it was actually an extremely stupid analogy. you just put yourself at the same level, congrats.

If I buy a wireless Razer mouse I would need to buy batteries cause Razer doesn't MAKE BATTERIES, nor should they have to pay to include them.
But Bioware DOES make the main game AND the DLC, which is DAY 1, and not made after the game is out.

[Obro]

Why not just sell us the ending as DLC? I mean you did it in ME2.

[DifferentD17]

Wulfram wrote...

Look, EA are certainly entitled to sell their product however they want, obviously. As long as it's not dishonest, which this isn't really.

But it doesn't leave the best impression with me, and I think with others too.

*Fixed

[DifferentD17]

Selor Kiith wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...
What kind of impact are you expecting him to have? The entire Protheon species was wiped out by the Reapers, whats one of them going to do?

Now granted I imagine there will be allot of lore revealed in terms of the Protheons themselves, and therir ultimatare destruction at the hands of the reapers, no doubt hugely interesting (to me anyway) which Is why I and many others have got the CE. But in terms of being essential to the main game, no I doubt it

It better has to be a greater Impact or the 10 Bucks are an even greater Ripoff and don't get me started on Lore and Company Integrity...

Eire Icon wrote...
There is no DLC that is mandetory or even close to mandetory - there is a difference between wanting something and needing something

The Arrival is pretty much mandatory for the understanding as of why Shepard is on Earth and was trialed e.g. the complete beginning of the game...

That's exactly what I was going to say.

[Eire Icon]

Selor Kiith wrote...

It better has to be a greater Impact or the 10 Bucks are an even greater Ripoff and don't get me started on Lore and Company Integrity...

The Arrival is pretty much mandatory for the understanding as of why Shepard is on Earth and was trialed e.g. the complete beginning of the game...

The 10 Bucks if for an extra character and mission - do you honestly think its going to have a huge impact on the game given previous DLC characters?

We haven't seen the complete beginning of the game, we've seen a demo, for all we know it could be explained completely further in. There are going to be people playing this game that have never played ME before let alone Arrival

Regardless of which if you want to penny pinch you can read all about what happened in Arrival for free on ME Wiki

[Wulfram]

Obro wrote...

so cutting content from a main game that we have to pay 60$ for to sell us later as DLC is not dishonest? You sure have a strange way of seeing things.

Since we know about it before release, no, it's not dishonest.  Just a poor way to treat your customers.

edit: I think missing out on a party member is in itself a huge impact on the game.  The party members are what I play the game for, in the end.  And considering we only have 7 in the game, with 2 potentially dead and 1 DLC, that's rather exaggerated.

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 février 2012 - 01:19 .

[finc.loki]

Selor Kiith wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...
Why should it be included from the start?, because you say so?

Its an optional add on, not required to play or complete the game. If you want to play it, pony up the $10 and play, if not don't the decision is entirely up to you.

Nothing is required but Feros, Noveria, Therum, Virmire, Ilos, Citadel Spacetour and Shepard... your point being?
Nothing was required but Horizon, Collector Ship, Reaper, Collector Base and Shepard... your point being?

finc.loki wrote...

Then why is anything included in the game? What exactly are we paying $60 for?
Why not remove the side missions and charge for them as well, they are also just "extra" content.
My standard edition would work without almost any content, I could probably strip the game to it's bare essentials to complete the story too.

You know, as I know, the Gaming Industry is moving rapidly towards exactly this...

Games stripped to their bare minimum with absolutely anything that can be remotely called "extra" cut and sold as DLC, both with horrendous prices...

Agreed, just look at Syndicate game.
It has 6 hour campaign and a tacked out Co-Op and they expect people to pay $60 for that game when at the same time sitting on the shelf you have Skyrim or games like that with 100+ hour content, then they offer a free creation mod kit and let players create thousands of mods to prolong the game. Others just rather want to gouge their customers for every nickel there is.


I got Shale for free with DA:O, now they charges us for it, it is very clear to see where Bioware is heading.
Well no surprise when you have people like Rip504 whatever.

[didymos1120]

Obro wrote...

Why not just sell us the ending as DLC? I mean you did it in ME2.

This is complete nonsense.  You really, honestly think the Suicide Mission, the goal of the entire game, wasn't the ending? 

[DifferentD17]

Wulfram wrote...


Since we know about it before release, no, it's not dishonest.  Just a poor way to treat your customers.

edit: I think missing out on a party member is in itself a huge impact on the game.  The party members are what I play the game for, in the end.  And considering we only have 7 in the game, with 2 potentially dead and 1 DLC, that's rather exaggerated.

Ashley/Kaiden, Tali, Garrus, so 3 potentially dead... I play the game for characters too, so I hate it when they take out a huge part of what I play the game for.

[Ramus Quaritch]

Congratulations! Mass Effect 3 is officially the worst-kept secret in gaming history.

[chengthao]

i always thought the Protheans were a very importnat part of the ME universe, i guess they're only "important" if you pay extra for them . . . $60+ isn't enough to make the Protheans important?

[chengthao]

didymos1120 wrote...

Obro wrote...

Why not just sell us the ending as DLC? I mean you did it in ME2.

This is complete nonsense.  You really, honestly think the Suicide Mission, the goal of the entire game, wasn't the ending? 

i thought Arrival was?

[finc.loki]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Selor Kiith wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...
What kind of impact are you expecting him to have? The entire Protheon species was wiped out by the Reapers, whats one of them going to do?

Now granted I imagine there will be allot of lore revealed in terms of the Protheons themselves, and therir ultimatare destruction at the hands of the reapers, no doubt hugely interesting (to me anyway) which Is why I and many others have got the CE. But in terms of being essential to the main game, no I doubt it

It better has to be a greater Impact or the 10 Bucks are an even greater Ripoff and don't get me started on Lore and Company Integrity...

Eire Icon wrote...
There is no DLC that is mandetory or even close to mandetory - there is a difference between wanting something and needing something

The Arrival is pretty much mandatory for the understanding as of why Shepard is on Earth and was trialed e.g. the complete beginning of the game...

That's exactly what I was going to say.

This is also something that upsets me greatly.

I have this ODD understanding that DLC is suppose to be 'optional' yet they made Arrival mandatory if you want the "real ending of ME2", quite frankly it's disgusting.
They actually start the whole game based on actions and events taking place in a NON mandatory DLC.

What are they thinking, well we all know what, they want people like me that didn't buy the DLC to go back and buy it for more MONEY and then come back and pay yet even MORE money for Day 1 DLC of a prothean character that belongs to THE most important race to the whole mass effect lore.
The whole first game was about Prothean becons and dechipering it's meaning, hearing vigil tell prothean story, and how they stopped the signal at citadel.
Nope it's just a side character.
Even if they made Prothy completely useless, WHY on earth do that? They could make him imperative to win over reapers cause "he has some ancient knowledge weapong  bla bla"  it would make sense.

[didymos1120]

chengthao wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Obro wrote...

Why not just sell us the ending as DLC? I mean you did it in ME2.

This is complete nonsense.  You really, honestly think the Suicide Mission, the goal of the entire game, wasn't the ending? 

i thought Arrival was?

Arrival is not part of ME2's main story, any more than Lair or Overlord is.  At most it can be considered an epilogue of sorts.  The game is about the Suicide Mission.  It ends when you do the....Suicide Mission.