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[Daywalker315]

Selor Kiith wrote...

The PLC wrote...

So you rather not be able to get it at all?!

I, for myself alone, yes.

See, it is probably just me, but if they kept it CE only they at least showed some integrity.
Now one of the selling points of the CE is just avaiable for everyone and I think there are enough people that actually bought the CE just for the DLCs and they should be even more pi**ed off by this.

It is either: Do it right or don't do it at all!

While, as written in this thread, find the Idea of simply cutting content and pasting it, relabeled and with a pricetag onto the market is by far the most hateable decision in this industry, this would at least have made sense and followed some form of logic and actually rewarded Loyal Fans instead of discarding anything for a few bucks more...

Not to butt into your topic here but I understand your thinking but I also disagree personally regarding CE and DLC. I pre-ordered CE in July and I have zero problem with anyone being able to buy this. Paying an extra $20 should entitle me to freebies and goodies, yes, but an actual chunk of lore and history about the ME universe shouldn't be limited to just us CE owners. The robotic dog and hoodie and things like that, sure. If they're exclusive that's awesome. If not, no worries. I'm still happy that I'm getting a $10 DLC bundled into my copy with a bunch of other things I only paid $20 extra for.

In the end, it makes all the business sense in the world for them to not keep this exclusive to CE owners and I'm actually all for BioWare making a healthy profit on this game. People act so ridiculous about these things. Corporations have to make money to continue making the games we love to play. It's very simple. When I love a franchise, I support it so they have money to keep making it for me to play. That means buying games new, collector's edition if I want it, DLC when it looks like fun, etc. There are very few franchises I support this way so buying a few pieces of DLC amounts to a whopping $25-50 a year. I can live with that to help keep my favorite games going with new content.

[rob593]

Daywalker315 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Can any of you honestly say Bioware have earnt your money when you buy the CE or Day 1 DLC?

No, and why? Because you haven't seen the product yet, what exactly are you buying if you sit down and think about it? The answer? Hype, you are buying Hype, you are not showing appreciation for a superior product, you haven't even played the product yet, so how can you?

You are paying for the illusion Bioware have created, equal parts the latest trailer and your imagining of how good it "could" be.

The rest of your post has some points I agree with and some I don't. However, this part is just silly. No offense, but give me a break. I have the CE pre-ordered and will buy every relevant DLC released after launch, happily. Not because of an illusion or hype but simply because I have faith in the team that created Mass Effect 1 and 2. Not to mention having played the SP and the insanely fun and addictive MP portion of the demo. THAT is why they earned my money. Two of my favorite games and a demo leading up to the release earned my money and I'm guessing several hundred thousand other pre-orderers would agree with me.

I could argue that faith is an illusion, but Im sure to catch flak from that I personally wouldnt buy a product on the merit of its predecessor (prequel?) but instead on the merit of the product itself, I already bought the previous product and that is how I showed the developers that I thought it to be a good game. I do not assume that ME3 in this case is necceseraly going to be good because the previous installment was, I've made that mistake before

So you have predetermined you are going to buy the upcoming DLC based on the impression the developers have given with there previous titles?

Theres nothing wrong with that (of course you know that ) the reason I didn't include such an example in my post is as explained in the first paragraph, if what I was saying was not relevant to you (and it appears not to be) then thats fine, I cannot possible give an example of everybodies motivation for buying a game, and I am not trying to say that whatever your motivation is, is wrong or right, my intention was to highlight something I consider a problem in the industry,

Written in a rush, sorry about any mistakes.

[eye basher]

So the prothean is a download thank god now i can save my money and not buy it.

[Daywalker315]

rob593 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Can any of you honestly say Bioware have earnt your money when you buy the CE or Day 1 DLC?

No, and why? Because you haven't seen the product yet, what exactly are you buying if you sit down and think about it? The answer? Hype, you are buying Hype, you are not showing appreciation for a superior product, you haven't even played the product yet, so how can you?

You are paying for the illusion Bioware have created, equal parts the latest trailer and your imagining of how good it "could" be.

The rest of your post has some points I agree with and some I don't. However, this part is just silly. No offense, but give me a break. I have the CE pre-ordered and will buy every relevant DLC released after launch, happily. Not because of an illusion or hype but simply because I have faith in the team that created Mass Effect 1 and 2. Not to mention having played the SP and the insanely fun and addictive MP portion of the demo. THAT is why they earned my money. Two of my favorite games and a demo leading up to the release earned my money and I'm guessing several hundred thousand other pre-orderers would agree with me.

I could argue that faith is an illusion, but Im sure to catch flak from that I personally wouldnt buy a product on the merit of its predecessor (prequel?) but instead on the merit of the product itself, I already bought the previous product and that is how I showed the developers that I thought it to be a good game. I do not assume that ME3 in this case is necceseraly going to be good because the previous installment was, I've made that mistake before

So you have predetermined you are going to buy the upcoming DLC based on the impression the developers have given with there previous titles?

Theres nothing wrong with that (of course you know that ) the reason I didn't include such an example in my post is as explained in the first paragraph, if what I was saying was not relevant to you (and it appears not to be) then thats fine, I cannot possible give an example of everybodies motivation for buying a game, and I am not trying to say that whatever your motivation is, is wrong or right, my intention was to highlight something I consider a problem in the industry,

Written in a rush, sorry about any mistakes.

I understand your points and I'm not flaming you by any means. This particular DLC doesn't affect me because I have the CE pre-ordered so I'll get it included with my copy. As for pre-determining to buy, I'm buying for many reasons. One, because I want to finish my story from the first two games. But also I'm buying on the strength of TWO games rather than one and because IMO many improvements were made between the first two games. Combat being one of them. Yes, the RPG elements were slimmed down too much in ME2 but having played the ME3 demo, that has been corrected and I LOVE the weapon customization and power customization now.

So, again, I personally feel that two games I love and a demo I enjoy is more than enough to order the game without "seeing it" first. Honestly, if two solid games by the same team and a demo weren't enough to merit a pre-order, then no game would ever get a single pre-order. People pre-order games on a lot less merit than that.

[Ilkholdens]

A question. What happened to "Project 10 dollars"?

In ME2, they packaged Zaeed with original purchases, DA2 got the prince (preorder edition) and the shop (original purchase). What does ME3 get? The Prothean DLC is apparently a Collector's/Deluxe Edition exclusive, so what does the regular non-preowned shop edition get?

[eye basher]

Wait,wait,wait you mean to tell me that the prothean comes with the collectors edition dammit should've bought the regular one insted.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

This DLC was never... ever.. .meant to be exclusive to the CE.

And Bioware said a long time ago that this would be available Day 1 for those who didn't pre-order the CE.

Now all I need is (maybe) that robot dog... and everything is complete.

[rob593]

Daywalker315 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Can any of you honestly say Bioware have earnt your money when you buy the CE or Day 1 DLC?

No, and why? Because you haven't seen the product yet, what exactly are you buying if you sit down and think about it? The answer? Hype, you are buying Hype, you are not showing appreciation for a superior product, you haven't even played the product yet, so how can you?

You are paying for the illusion Bioware have created, equal parts the latest trailer and your imagining of how good it "could" be.

The rest of your post has some points I agree with and some I don't. However, this part is just silly. No offense, but give me a break. I have the CE pre-ordered and will buy every relevant DLC released after launch, happily. Not because of an illusion or hype but simply because I have faith in the team that created Mass Effect 1 and 2. Not to mention having played the SP and the insanely fun and addictive MP portion of the demo. THAT is why they earned my money. Two of my favorite games and a demo leading up to the release earned my money and I'm guessing several hundred thousand other pre-orderers would agree with me.

I could argue that faith is an illusion, but Im sure to catch flak from that I personally wouldnt buy a product on the merit of its predecessor (prequel?) but instead on the merit of the product itself, I already bought the previous product and that is how I showed the developers that I thought it to be a good game. I do not assume that ME3 in this case is necceseraly going to be good because the previous installment was, I've made that mistake before

So you have predetermined you are going to buy the upcoming DLC based on the impression the developers have given with there previous titles?

Theres nothing wrong with that (of course you know that ) the reason I didn't include such an example in my post is as explained in the first paragraph, if what I was saying was not relevant to you (and it appears not to be) then thats fine, I cannot possible give an example of everybodies motivation for buying a game, and I am not trying to say that whatever your motivation is, is wrong or right, my intention was to highlight something I consider a problem in the industry,

Written in a rush, sorry about any mistakes.

I understand your points and I'm not flaming you by any means. This particular DLC doesn't affect me because I have the CE pre-ordered so I'll get it included with my copy. As for pre-determining to buy, I'm buying for many reasons. One, because I want to finish my story from the first two games. But also I'm buying on the strength of TWO games rather than one and because IMO many improvements were made between the first two games. Combat being one of them. Yes, the RPG elements were slimmed down too much in ME2 but having played the ME3 demo, that has been corrected and I LOVE the weapon customization and power customization now.

So, again, I personally feel that two games I love and a demo I enjoy is more than enough to order the game without "seeing it" first. Honestly, if two solid games by the same team and a demo weren't enough to merit a pre-order, then no game would ever get a single pre-order. People pre-order games on a lot less merit than that.

I didn't believe you were flaming me at all and I do appreciate your responses

"People pre-order games on a lot less merit than that."

Theses are the people I was aiming my post at really, well them and those that just like food for thought kind of things.

You infact strike me as more of a person who supports my point, you are willing to buy the game because you have A/ Experienced the demo that you enjoyed and B/ trust the company to create another product equal to or better than there previous one/two, this is why people should buy games, not because they saw a trailer is ultimately one of my points.

I am curious however now that you bring it up, you mentioned that you will be buying all the upcoming DLC, would let's say two or three bad DLC's or DLC's after playing them you determined not to be worth the money prevent you from buying more? Or would you buy more in the hope that the next one will be better, or in the hope that at the end all the DLC toghever is ultimately worth it?

[Eire Icon]

rob593 wrote...

You are paying for the illusion Bioware have created, equal parts the latest trailer and your imagining of how good it "could" be.

Absolutely speechless

[sirdario1986]

Ilkholdens wrote...

A question. What happened to "Project 10 dollars"?

In ME2, they packaged Zaeed with original purchases, DA2 got the prince (preorder edition) and the shop (original purchase). What does ME3 get? The Prothean DLC is apparently a Collector's/Deluxe Edition exclusive, so what does the regular non-preowned shop edition get?

Uhm...it's confirmed that Prothean DLC will be sold at day-one for everyone who hasn't bought the CE!

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Eire Icon wrote...

rob593 wrote...

You are paying for the illusion Bioware have created, equal parts the latest trailer and your imagining of how good it "could" be.

Absolutely speechless

Ah, so we're paying for what the trailer's showing... not to finish out the trilogy?  And I'm sure the first 2 whole games, its DLC, and the ME3 Demo also have absolutely nothing to do with that...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 22 février 2012 - 04:32 .

[Ilkholdens]

sirdario1986 wrote...

Ilkholdens wrote...

A question. What happened to "Project 10 dollars"?

In ME2, they packaged Zaeed with original purchases, DA2 got the prince (preorder edition) and the shop (original purchase). What does ME3 get? The Prothean DLC is apparently a Collector's/Deluxe Edition exclusive, so what does the regular non-preowned shop edition get?

Uhm...it's confirmed that Prothean DLC will be sold at day-one for everyone who hasn't bought the CE!

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't really answer what I asked.

[Adanu]

Tazzmission wrote...

Adanu wrote...

The stupid is strong in this thread.

A prothean, while interesting, would *not* play a major role in ME3. Why?

This is a new cycle, with new challenges, and new races. You're fighting 50k years after the fact and the Protheans are long gone. He'd be an asset and a wealth of history, nothing more.

um did you read the leaked script?because you oviously are wrong on that


i am so tempted right now just to blurt it out but i wont do that to the devs

Haven't read any scripts or spoilers beyond wanting to know what this DLC is about and the demo. Don't care to ruin my first time playing it.

I don't appreciate you spoiling things for me either. This is NO SPOILERS ALLOWED, GO TO THE SPOILERS FORUM.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Thusfar, they aren't doing anything for people who buy the game new (besides maybe multiplayer access)... but I'm not a Gold subscriber anyway... so that does nothing for me.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 22 février 2012 - 04:38 .

[Daywalker315]

rob593 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Can any of you honestly say Bioware have earnt your money when you buy the CE or Day 1 DLC?

No, and why? Because you haven't seen the product yet, what exactly are you buying if you sit down and think about it? The answer? Hype, you are buying Hype, you are not showing appreciation for a superior product, you haven't even played the product yet, so how can you?

You are paying for the illusion Bioware have created, equal parts the latest trailer and your imagining of how good it "could" be.

The rest of your post has some points I agree with and some I don't. However, this part is just silly. No offense, but give me a break. I have the CE pre-ordered and will buy every relevant DLC released after launch, happily. Not because of an illusion or hype but simply because I have faith in the team that created Mass Effect 1 and 2. Not to mention having played the SP and the insanely fun and addictive MP portion of the demo. THAT is why they earned my money. Two of my favorite games and a demo leading up to the release earned my money and I'm guessing several hundred thousand other pre-orderers would agree with me.

I could argue that faith is an illusion, but Im sure to catch flak from that I personally wouldnt buy a product on the merit of its predecessor (prequel?) but instead on the merit of the product itself, I already bought the previous product and that is how I showed the developers that I thought it to be a good game. I do not assume that ME3 in this case is necceseraly going to be good because the previous installment was, I've made that mistake before

So you have predetermined you are going to buy the upcoming DLC based on the impression the developers have given with there previous titles?

Theres nothing wrong with that (of course you know that ) the reason I didn't include such an example in my post is as explained in the first paragraph, if what I was saying was not relevant to you (and it appears not to be) then thats fine, I cannot possible give an example of everybodies motivation for buying a game, and I am not trying to say that whatever your motivation is, is wrong or right, my intention was to highlight something I consider a problem in the industry,

Written in a rush, sorry about any mistakes.

I understand your points and I'm not flaming you by any means. This particular DLC doesn't affect me because I have the CE pre-ordered so I'll get it included with my copy. As for pre-determining to buy, I'm buying for many reasons. One, because I want to finish my story from the first two games. But also I'm buying on the strength of TWO games rather than one and because IMO many improvements were made between the first two games. Combat being one of them. Yes, the RPG elements were slimmed down too much in ME2 but having played the ME3 demo, that has been corrected and I LOVE the weapon customization and power customization now.

So, again, I personally feel that two games I love and a demo I enjoy is more than enough to order the game without "seeing it" first. Honestly, if two solid games by the same team and a demo weren't enough to merit a pre-order, then no game would ever get a single pre-order. People pre-order games on a lot less merit than that.

I didn't believe you were flaming me at all and I do appreciate your responses

"People pre-order games on a lot less merit than that."

Theses are the people I was aiming my post at really, well them and those that just like food for thought kind of things.

You infact strike me as more of a person who supports my point, you are willing to buy the game because you have A/ Experienced the demo that you enjoyed and B/ trust the company to create another product equal to or better than there previous one/two, this is why people should buy games, not because they saw a trailer is ultimately one of my points.

I am curious however now that you bring it up, you mentioned that you will be buying all the upcoming DLC, would let's say two or three bad DLC's or DLC's after playing them you determined not to be worth the money prevent you from buying more? Or would you buy more in the hope that the next one will be better, or in the hope that at the end all the DLC toghever is ultimately worth it?

I do support your point that people should be informed moreso than just a trailer. That's why they were smart to do a demo. They're trying to reach more people and a pre-release demo, especially with the surprisingly addictive MP, was perfect for that. I guarantee their sales have and will increase due to the demo.

I also trust BioWare because they make games I enjoy. I enjoyed DA:O and DA2 but I bought both well after release. They weren't nearly as good (for my taste) as the ME series but still better than a few games I've rented and played or even bought. I trust that ME3 will give me hundreds of hours of entertainment and that is plenty to warrant my money. Honestly, $60 (or $80 in my case for CE) is pretty cheap for hundreds of hours of entertainment. That's the equivalent of going to see 5 or 6 movies. 10 hours of entertainment versus hundreds. Well worth it if you anticipate playing through multiple times and have an addictive MP to play over and over.

As for DLC, I'm anticipating buying all of it that is story related. I probably won't buy much in the way of cosmetic DLC since I don't care too much about that. However, there's always pre-release trailers and even reviews before the public release of DLC and if seems like it's terrible I'll hold off and see more reviews and comments about it. At this point, I'm just assuming I will buy story/character DLC based on BW's ability to deliver so far. I have enjoyed LotSB and Arrival, Kasumi was my favorite squad mate in ME2, and Overlord was decent though not my favorite. I also enjoyed Bring Down the Sky in ME1. So 4 out of 5 DLC's I've bought for ME series have been great and one above average. I trust them on DLC too until they give me a reason to believe otherwise.

[sirdario1986]

Ilkholdens wrote...

sirdario1986 wrote...

Ilkholdens wrote...

A question. What happened to "Project 10 dollars"?

In ME2, they packaged Zaeed with original purchases, DA2 got the prince (preorder edition) and the shop (original purchase). What does ME3 get? The Prothean DLC is apparently a Collector's/Deluxe Edition exclusive, so what does the regular non-preowned shop edition get?

Uhm...it's confirmed that Prothean DLC will be sold at day-one for everyone who hasn't bought the CE!

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't really answer what I asked.

Oops,sorry!
I think the regular edition has no "gift"..there are some for the Collector's, some for digital download, some for the pre-order(in general) and some for the pre-order to particular sellers...but I haven't heard or read anything about normal, regular game bonus...

[rob593]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

rob593 wrote...

You are paying for the illusion Bioware have created, equal parts the latest trailer and your imagining of how good it "could" be.

Absolutely speechless

Ah, so we're paying for what the trailer's showing... not to finish out the trilogy?  And I'm sure the first 2 whole games, its DLC, and the ME3 Demo also have absolutely nothing to do with that...

You tell me, are you?

I responded to this in one of my other posts.

Again you need to understand the context and the goal of my original post but also bear in mind that you can replace Bioware with any developers name and in this case Mass Effect with any other title, the problem I was attempting to highlinght is not a problem with Bioware or EA or Mass Effect solely but with the industry.

[Ilkholdens]

sirdario1986 wrote...

Ilkholdens wrote...

sirdario1986 wrote...

Ilkholdens wrote...

A question. What happened to "Project 10 dollars"?

In ME2, they packaged Zaeed with original purchases, DA2 got the prince (preorder edition) and the shop (original purchase). What does ME3 get? The Prothean DLC is apparently a Collector's/Deluxe Edition exclusive, so what does the regular non-preowned shop edition get?

Uhm...it's confirmed that Prothean DLC will be sold at day-one for everyone who hasn't bought the CE!

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't really answer what I asked.

Oops,sorry!
I think the regular edition has no "gift"..there are some for the Collector's, some for digital download, some for the pre-order(in general) and some for the pre-order to particular sellers...but I haven't heard or read anything about normal, regular game bonus...

Ah, thanks. That's the info I was looking for. I guess I may as well wait then till ME3's price drops enough to alleviate the DLC cost. My very own "Project 10 or more dollars", so to speak.

[WizenSlinky0]

Selor Kiith wrote...

The PLC wrote...

So you rather not be able to get it at all?!

I, for myself alone, yes.

See, it is probably just me, but if they kept it CE only they at least showed some integrity.
Now one of the selling points of the CE is just avaiable for everyone and I think there are enough people that actually bought the CE just for the DLCs and they should be even more pi**ed off by this.

It is either: Do it right or don't do it at all!

While, as written in this thread, find the Idea of simply cutting content and pasting it, relabeled and with a pricetag onto the market is by far the most hateable decision in this industry, this would at least have made sense and followed some form of logic and actually rewarded Loyal Fans instead of discarding anything for a few bucks more...

Are you insane? I'm partially joking, but really that would be a massively unsound business and promotional strategy. To actually make an entire character of a story and character based game unavaliable to anybody who didn't get the Collectors edition, which had both limited copies, and an arsenal of other stuff people might not want to spend $20 on...would just be shooting themselves in the foot.

Things like characters and missions in a game like mass effect cannot be made exclusive in the same way as extra guns or whatnot. I honestly would be flabbergasted that any company would consider it.

If the CE only had the extra character I would have gotten it. But I'm not dropping $20 for artbooks and steel cases when all of that is just pointless (for me). I knew it would be released by Bioware as DLC and decided it better to directly support the DLC (For $10), rather than pre-ordering an edition that comes with absolutely nothing else I even remotely want (For $20).

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 22 février 2012 - 05:09 .

[JaegerBane]

Daywalker315 wrote...

As for DLC, I'm anticipating buying all of it that is story related. I probably won't buy much in the way of cosmetic DLC since I don't care too much about that. However, there's always pre-release trailers and even reviews before the public release of DLC and if seems like it's terrible I'll hold off and see more reviews and comments about it. At this point, I'm just assuming I will buy story/character DLC based on BW's ability to deliver so far. I have enjoyed LotSB and Arrival, Kasumi was my favorite squad mate in ME2, and Overlord was decent though not my favorite. I also enjoyed Bring Down the Sky in ME1. So 4 out of 5 DLC's I've bought for ME series have been great and one above average. I trust them on DLC too until they give me a reason to believe otherwise.

This is pretty much my thinking on the matter. ME2's storyline DLCs (and, to a lesser extent, DA2's) delivered some of the best gameplay I've seen from any DLCs available. LotSB ranks as arguably the greatest DLC of all time. Hence, Bioware have a fair amount of credit with me when it comes to trust in the worth of their storyline DLCs. Ironically, none of that trust is needed here since a) I've wanted to meet a living Prothean since the first game and I've pre-ordered the CE so I'm getting it regardless, but nonetheless, I have every reason to take any of their releases of this kind on faith alone.

The same doesn't go for cosmetic/item DLCs. It was a very mixed bag in ME2, with the good (Aegis, Alt Appearences), the bad (Firepower Pack - cool models, horrible balancing) and the downright ugly (The Gear pack, with a preorder armour and two headsets, one of which didn't work at all). I think any new releases there will be largely down to a question of merit.

[NM_Che56]

Viral marketing?

[JaegerBane]

Selor Kiith wrote...
I, for myself alone, yes.

See, it is probably just me, but if they kept it CE only they at least showed some integrity.
Now one of the selling points of the CE is just avaiable for everyone and I think there are enough people that actually bought the CE just for the DLCs and they should be even more pi**ed off by this.

It is either: Do it right or don't do it at all!

I honestly do not understand this attitude, at all.

I can understand the basic idea behind the CE concept - its essentially the deluxe upgrade for those who want it.

But why on earth would it matter to you whether *other* people can get it? What difference does it make?

[cachx]

eoinnx02 wrote...

Yeah remember that time Chris said that the Prothean squadmate was a typeo? Aaah good times :-)

This.

Worst kept secret ever. I'm amazed that people DIDN'T KNOW.