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[rob593]

Daywalker315 wrote...I do support your point that people should be informed moreso than just a trailer. That's why they were smart to do a demo. They're trying to reach more people and a pre-release demo, especially with the surprisingly addictive MP, was perfect for that. I guarantee their sales have and will increase due to the demo.

I also trust BioWare because they make games I enjoy. I enjoyed DA:O and DA2 but I bought both well after release. They weren't nearly as good (for my taste) as the ME series but still better than a few games I've rented and played or even bought. I trust that ME3 will give me hundreds of hours of entertainment and that is plenty to warrant my money. Honestly, $60 (or $80 in my case for CE) is pretty cheap for hundreds of hours of entertainment. That's the equivalent of going to see 5 or 6 movies. 10 hours of entertainment versus hundreds. Well worth it if you anticipate playing through multiple times and have an addictive MP to play over and over.

As for DLC, I'm anticipating buying all of it that is story related. I probably won't buy much in the way of cosmetic DLC since I don't care too much about that. However, there's always pre-release trailers and even reviews before the public release of DLC and if seems like it's terrible I'll hold off and see more reviews and comments about it. At this point, I'm just assuming I will buy story/character DLC based on BW's ability to deliver so far. I have enjoyed LotSB and Arrival, Kasumi was my favorite squad mate in ME2, and Overlord was decent though not my favorite. I also enjoyed Bring Down the Sky in ME1. So 4 out of 5 DLC's I've bought for ME series have been great and one above average. I trust them on DLC too until they give me a reason to believe otherwise.

Thanks for the answer, you seem to be one of the more logical consumers

for everyone else:

The DLC I bought which i mentioned previously was in fact for Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age: Origins, I played the game, I thought they did a superb job with them, and so I bought additional content gladly, this is how DLC should in my opinion work. Then came Dragon Age 2, I was extremely dissapointed and so I didn't buy the DLC.

Those decisions to spend my money on an addition to a product are made through fact and in having experienced the game. and then a calculated risk or gamble if you will is made to decide wether to purchase it or not.

But how can you apply the same methodology to Day 1 DLC? You cannot, the developer knows this, and uses it to create situations like the one highlighted in this thread where people are basically throwing there money at the screen.

Take note of how the DLC was only announced after the CE was sold out however.

Those people who did not buy the CE are now left wondering if they are getting the full product. Nobody sees anything wrong with this?
if somebody decides that they want to buy the CE that's fine by me, until it means the product I bought becomes less than it should be because of it.

Buying the CE of a game should entitle the owner to additional tangible content and NOT punish those who did not buy it by taking it away. Otherwise CE becomes the defacto product and instead of gaining something when you buy a CE in the future you get the base product while everyone else gets less, this is backwards. and greatly diminishes the purpose of a CE.

Why is my gaming experience lessened because someone else spent more money than I, If I bought the standard game, why do I feel I'm being punished for that?

I hope this clarifies my original post a little for those that misunderstood it.

And finally, I AM NOT against Bioware or EA or ME, this is an industry/consumer problem, these forums just happen to be my latest playground

Edit: Spelling and such

Modifié par rob593, 22 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[Eski.Moe]

Yeah, Bioware ruined the surprise for me ages ago. :|

[Duncaaaaaan]

Wow, day one DLC.

Great.

[HyperLimited]

Day 1 DLC? Way to shoot yourselves in the foot.

[TwwlX]

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

Modifié par TwwlX, 22 février 2012 - 05:38 .

[kelton312]

Cancelling my preorder, great job with your consumers bioware.

[JediEagle]

link to total biscuits video opinion on from ashes DLC available for free only to CE buyers.

My opinion: You know, I wasnt planning on buying the game on release date, but then I saw the Take Earth Back trailer and I was sure that I'll buy it day one. Then this news came out. I understand that you give incentive to gamers to buy new games, instead of used. But this choice is beyond ridiculous. Sure, you'll probably make more money, but you'll lose a lot of fans with it. Including me.

[Justicar]

Maybe the "squid protheans" in the visions were Protheans telling us that their "Gods", the species before them, were also wiped out.

idk

[realguile]

Bye guys!

[Wulfram]

Multiplayer = Project 10 dollar I believe. If you bought used, you'll need to buy an online pass

[RiouHotaru]

...Wow, this thread is hilarious. It's like everyone forgets HOW the DLC-making process works!

[Jona.R]

Re-Post from another thread:

I just learned that the "from ashes" DLC will not be included in the standart ME3 edition, instead it will only be part of the N7 collectors edition and will be available for everyone else on release day for 800 Microsoft points. I dont want to spoil anything regarding the content of the DLC itself for those who dont know what to expect. But the simple fact that a finished part of the game is not actually included in the standart edition strikes me as terribly odd and very customer unfriendly. I have supported Bioware and their products since they started publishing great roleplaying games and I had no problem whatsoever with the Cerberus Network online pass. However, I feel like my consistent support of Bioware and their games is now called into question. I dont want to feel like a second grade customer just because I dont feel like spending an additional 25 Euros for the N7 edition. The Fact that an already completed part of the game is being kept from me simply baffles me.

Modifié par Jona.R, 22 février 2012 - 05:46 .

[JaegerBane]

Justicar wrote...

Maybe the "squid protheans" in the visions were Protheans telling us that their "Gods", the species before them, were also wiped out.

idk

Perhaps. I honestly don't know how its going to be retconned, but I have to admit I find the current 'canon' Prothean a lot more plausible than the squiddies.... its far easier to accept the Collector's look as modded Protheans now and that screaming Prothean close-up in the vision never looked like something with tentacles across its face.

IIRC the Protheans in the vision are largely distorted (they didn't even look precisely like the Ilos statues) and the statues themselves have only ever been assumed to be true-to-life depicitions. What if they turned out to be stylised a la the Easter Island statues of humans?

[Justicar]

Wulfram wrote...

Multiplayer = Project 10 dollar I believe. If you bought used, you'll need to buy an online pass

Used games make game companies lose a lot of money, it's a simple and brilliant marketing move.

Is that their fault? No. They aren't making games just for fun and for fans, they need to feed mouths at home, pay bills, you get the picture.

[cachx]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Wow, this thread is hilarious. It's like everyone forgets HOW the DLC-making process works!

Day 1 DLC?, one of the things that is most commonplace in the industry today ?

ALL PREORDERS CANCELLED !

[Jona.R]

cachx wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Wow, this thread is hilarious. It's like everyone forgets HOW the DLC-making process works!

Day 1 DLC?, one of the things that is most commonplace in the industry today ?

ALL PREORDERS CANCELLED !

Just because its commonplace doesnt mean I dont object to it from a moral standpoint

[WolfForce99]

cachx wrote...

eoinnx02 wrote...

Yeah remember that time Chris said that the Prothean squadmate was a typeo? Aaah good times :-)

This.

Worst kept secret ever. I'm amazed that people DIDN'T KNOW.

[Jona.R]

The PLC wrote...

This

[TwwlX]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Wow, this thread is hilarious. It's like everyone forgets HOW the DLC-making process works!

Neither do you, Mr. Arm Chair Developer.

[Alkmaion]

Man, I'm so dissapointed. The last demo I played was Age of Empires II. Mass Effect got me so excited I went in and played it, loved it completely, played a multiplayer shooter game for the first time since the original Counterstrike, just because I couldn't get enough of it. I was happy like a child. I made an Origin account, went through the hassle to get a PayPal account, since I don't have a credit card, just so I could preorder the game on Origin.

And now I learn that even though I paid for the game, I'm denied an essentiel part of the game. If I don't get any cool looking armor, some new, non-essential game maps, that's fine. I'm willing to invest the little money I have in the core gameplay experience. This is a slap in the face. I'm thouroughly dissapointed, Bioware. I truly am.

[Justicar]

JaegerBane wrote...

Perhaps. I honestly don't know how its going to be retconned, but I have to admit I find the current 'canon' Prothean a lot more plausible than the squiddies.... its far easier to accept the Collector's look as modded Protheans now and that screaming Prothean close-up in the vision never looked like something with tentacles across its face.

IIRC the Protheans in the vision are largely distorted (they didn't even look precisely like the Ilos statues) and the statues themselves have only ever been assumed to be true-to-life depicitions. What if they turned out to be stylised a la the Easter Island statues of humans?

Makes sense to me. I actually prefer Prothy over Squiddeans as well, makes sense that they look like Collectors.

Also, the Squiddeans in the vision DO look distorted, good point. Nice theory on Moai Statue-esque things on Ilos as well.

[RiouHotaru]

Jona.R wrote...

cachx wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Wow, this thread is hilarious. It's like everyone forgets HOW the DLC-making process works!

Day 1 DLC?, one of the things that is most commonplace in the industry today ?

ALL PREORDERS CANCELLED !

Just because its commonplace doesnt mean I dont object to it from a moral standpoint

But that's not the point, the point is that people assume "Day 1 DLC" is cut from the game, there's a completely separate thread which explains why this isn't true.  That it's only been linked to once in this thread is sad.  Or that people ignored it's presence.  For the sake of not having you slog back through this thread's pages, here's the relevant portion:

Usually, DLC is developed late in production by either a different team or by some of the original team who may not be needed for the main game anymore. Writers and some designers, for example, are most needed at the start and the middle of production, and less so at the end of a project.

Because it is a bonus and an extra, it has a slightly lower priority than the main game. The main game has to be content-locked and the game sent for certification anywhere between 2-8 weeks before the street date. If a game fails certification, whatever caused it to fail must get fixed, which means the entire thing must be tested again. The game must be certified all over again from the beginning because the game on disc has changed.

During the certification process, some folks can be working on a day 1 patch or moved to other projects (they're certainly not sitting idle). They could also be working to finish the DLC that will be made available on day 1. Because it is downloadablecontent, there is no physical media to manufacture and distribute, which means the DLC can be finished closer to the street date. It still has to be certified, but the process is much faster because it is a) not on physical media and much, much smaller than a full-sized game. Appearance packs and weapons are compartively smaller and simpler than story and character-based DLC, and people and effort are scheduled accordingly.

So, like a meal order in a kitchen, the team tries to schedule things so that everything is finished in time to come out together 

[RiouHotaru]

TwwlX wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Wow, this thread is hilarious. It's like everyone forgets HOW the DLC-making process works!

Neither do you, Mr. Arm Chair Developer.

Actually I do, because someone from Bioware told me 

[realguile]

Alkmaion wrote...

Man, I'm so dissapointed. The last demo I played was Age of Empires II. Mass Effect got me so excited I went in and played it, loved it completely, played a multiplayer shooter game for the first time since the original Counterstrike, just because I couldn't get enough of it. I was happy like a child. I made an Origin account, went through the hassle to get a PayPal account, since I don't have a credit card, just so I could preorder the game on Origin.

And now I learn that even though I paid for the game, I'm denied an essentiel part of the game. If I don't get any cool looking armor, some new, non-essential game maps, that's fine. I'm willing to invest the little money I have in the core gameplay experience. This is a slap in the face. I'm thouroughly dissapointed, Bioware. I truly am.

How is it essential?