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[Cobra5]

I don't even see why its important if he's a really interesting character.

If it was Legion who was DLC I don't see why that would've been an issue, for example. If you don't want the DLC, don't buy it; If the DLC sounds like its worth the money, buy it.

The cost of making big games like these is going up and up, and they have three choices:
Make smaller games (So the content wouldn't even be there, even if you wanted to pay for it),
Raise the price of the base game (So everyone has to pay for it weather they want it or not), 
Let you pick if you want to raise the price (You can pay for it if it sounds interesting to you).

Not really seeing the ethical quandary here.

Modifié par Cobra5, 22 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[rumbalumba]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Mr.Trilby wrote...

Riou - Legion was a HUGE lore event.

If the Protheian is anything like Legion, it'll be a huge gap in the lore that you won't ee until you fork out some more hard earned money.

Legion was a squad-member in game though.

Both Zaeed and Kasumi both lacked full dialog wheel options, so the trend is that Prothy is a squadmate with flavor text.

Also, do you really, REALLY think they'd consign something that was actually relevant to your understanding of the game to DLC?  When they have no track record of it before?

hey, they never took out characters from their past games from past generations, and now they do it like it's normal and acceptable. so what's stopping them from doing anything?

[mmagicsonic]

crackseed wrote...

While I respect and applaud that people will stand up and answer with their wallets, I do think it's a bit silly as well. This is no different then Shale back in DA:O - A optional [and admittedly very interesting character] who can add flavor to your storyline but who is not required to experience the entirety of the game.

DLC has essentially replaced Expansion packs. It's quicker to make and costs a fair amount less, though of course the trade-off tends to be there's less content to be had. It's the way the market is going - could it be done better? I think so, but given that From Ashes was designed to be optional and is not a required purchase to enjoy the main plot of the game, I personally think boycotting ME3 over it is a bit nearsighted.

This is entirely my opinion though and I mean no disrespect to those who are choosing to not purchase the game.

This is considerably different. Shale was free DLC to anyone who purchased the game new. The Prothean, who is far more significant than Shale as it is a goddamn Prothean and important to the lore, is exclusive to the CE editions.

[Aedan333]

Kuei_Jin wrote...

The boycott will go as well as the Modern Warfare 2 boycott, as in everyone here will be playing Mass Effect 3 on release no matter what they wrote.

True I have played and own every Bioware game (aside from the neverwinter games) and I will not miss out on this game but my preorder has been canceled because of this. Trying to squeeze out that extra 10 dollars from me made me feel like hey you know what I can wait a few months for the price to go down. To be honest ill buy the game at 30 dollars and get the dlc too but hey that 10 extra dollars just lost them 20 from me.

[AxholeRose]

I don't mind because we PC players get him for free =)

[loungeshep]

Turran wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Wait, how does anyone know he's important? Did someone play the game and travel back in time?

Still not seeing how doing business is unethical or immoral (also fairly sure people don't know what those words mean.)

I am guessing you are trolling, or you just really have not been paying any attention to the Mass Effect story?

And I am really really against this. I feel this was a huge mistake made by someone to make this choice.

Course, I also pre ordered the collector's edition, so I get the PRothean as a squadmate anyways, thus I am not affected.

Still though, this is business, not morality or ethics.  No one is going to war or raping and pillaging, they're just selling DLC.

Modifié par loungeshep, 22 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[wired_noodle]

RiouHotaru wrote...

wired_noodle wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Just because he's a Prothean doesn't mean anything. I'm fairly certain anything he could tell you would just be a personal spin on information you'd already get in-game. It'd just have his bias colored into it.

Anything he has to say is basically flavor text, what's the big deal?

To use a vauge analogy, imagine a writer who writes an entire novel, and then cuts out one of the middle chapters and sells it on its own, on the same day that the book is released. Even if theres nothing in that missing chapter that actually says anything, its still a bit of a slap in the face for any fan of the author dont you think?

Not trying to pick a fight or anything, just trying to give you a reason as to why some people are upset

I'd agree with you, IF that was the case here.

So far the only reason people believe he's "vital content" and that they're being scammed out of their hard-earned cash is that he's a Prothean.

We know jack about him (and no, the script leak doesn't count because it's not a legitimate source.  You can't verify anything in it, and several points from it have already been proven wrong) or what he signifies.  Everyone is jumping the gun.

Which hilariously, everyone did for the Multiplayer.  And look at the overwhelming positive reception to that.  People need to stop leaping to any logical extreme over something like this.

Indeed, you're right, and that is what everyone is doing but....well its just gonna happen isnt it You cant deny that the Prothean is a HUGE point and even if the character has no dialogue...well people will still be pissed because, well, theres a living breathing Prothean and he isnt saying jack so why did Bioware miss this opporunity to flesh out the backstory some more? It seems very hamfisted to me, they could have avoided this by simply delaying the DLC by like a month or changing the character to....well anything BUT a Prothean :-s 

Anyways, its the slippery slope argument, online passes, day 1 dlc, if you've been gaming a long time these changes are quite shocking and largely (though not always) benefit the publisher more than the customer. Yes, other industries sell 'incomplete' products or are known, even expected to care more about profits than the customer but gaming hasnt always been like this, and there is this expectation that they should 'care' more. Im not saying its right or wrong, but this caring attitude is disappearing and thats why you see backlashes like this.

Whatever the case, I see this as only a good thing, either Bioware/EA folds and loyal customers who bought it new will get included with the deal, or...well they wont ill just wait for the inevitable complete edition and get it for a fraction of the price. EIther way, i get to play MS3 at some point! 

[AboveTheClouds]

Justicar wrote...

Video gamers pretentiously think that they deserve content free or something.

It's not that we think that we should have content for free, it's the fact that this was something that should have been in the main game in the first place. If this was made after the game was released I would be able to understand charging for it a bit better.

[Xerxes52]

It's a shame that they're charging for day one DLC, when they did so well with the Cerberus Network and its free DLC. It's an even greater shame if Justicar turns out to be right.

I'm holding on to my CE though, but this does sound shady to me.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 22 février 2012 - 06:34 .

[Aspiriini]

This is an OUTRAGE!
Mass Effect 1 and 2 were my favorite games of all time. I have not enjoyed ANY game as much as those, but there is NO justifying a day 1 DLC of this size. I am not buying this game and neither should you. This is just WRONG.

[Coldburn]

The thing is that if the prothean character is made properly and is a huge part of the game, as it should be, then this whole dlc thing is unacceptable. If the character itself exists in the game, but the dlc just lets you have him as a squadmate, then I'm sort of ok with it.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

wolfsite wrote...

Galenwolf wrote...

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I agree with total biscuit, last bioware game I ever buy and i've been a big bioware  since the days of Baldur's Gate.

Anything that is cosmetic is fine, but not this.

Then you might as well boycott Capcom, WB Games, THQ, Square Enix, 2K, Activision etc.

All of those companies have done day 1 DLC..... so it would be hyporcitical of peopel to boycott one but continue to support the others.

I'm going to buy the N7 Collector's Editions for Xbox 360 and PS3 and I'm not going to let some annoying twit on youtube tell me what I will buy or not. If you want to boycott Mass Effect 3 be my guest. I'll be having fun and you won't be.

[burr beer]

crackseed wrote...

Galenwolf wrote...

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I agree with total biscuit, last bioware game I ever buy and i've been a big bioware  since the days of Baldur's Gate.

Anything that is cosmetic is fine, but not this.

Technically this is cosmetic - it is not required for you to enjoy Mass Effect 3 in it's entirely - it is an optional character experience. If you bought DA:O and then paid for Shale, you have ALREADY done the exact thing you're claiming you won't do.

The only people who would have had to pay for shale are customers who bought the game used.  Everyone has to pay for a character integral to the lore and story of this game, even people who are buying the collector's edition (guess why they raised the price $10?)

[Costin_Razvan]

Meh at this. I got the Collector Edition already pre-ordered so doesn't affect me, but I'll be damned if this isn't BS to me.

[Sluggs201]

crackseed wrote...

Galenwolf wrote...

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I agree with total biscuit, last bioware game I ever buy and i've been a big bioware  since the days of Baldur's Gate.

Anything that is cosmetic is fine, but not this.

Technically this is cosmetic - it is not required for you to enjoy Mass Effect 3 in it's entirely - it is an optional character experience. If you bought DA:O and then paid for Shale, you have ALREADY done the exact thing you're claiming you won't do.

Wow well you apprently have no idea the difference between cosmetic and content. This is content and not cosmetic. Cosmetic has no impact on the single or multiplayer experience of the game. This is content because it does matter to the single player game.

The hoodie you get for CE? cosmetic. That dog? cosmetic. extra character? content.

I would be fine if this was given to all people who bought game for free like the store in DA2 but this is taking content out of the game and selling it to me for an extra $10. There is a limit to how greedy you can get and they just crossed it in my opinion.

Modifié par Sluggs201, 22 février 2012 - 06:32 .

[Crackseed]

mmagicsonic wrote...

crackseed wrote...

While I respect and applaud that people will stand up and answer with their wallets, I do think it's a bit silly as well. This is no different then Shale back in DA:O - A optional [and admittedly very interesting character] who can add flavor to your storyline but who is not required to experience the entirety of the game.

DLC has essentially replaced Expansion packs. It's quicker to make and costs a fair amount less, though of course the trade-off tends to be there's less content to be had. It's the way the market is going - could it be done better? I think so, but given that From Ashes was designed to be optional and is not a required purchase to enjoy the main plot of the game, I personally think boycotting ME3 over it is a bit nearsighted.

This is entirely my opinion though and I mean no disrespect to those who are choosing to not purchase the game.

This is considerably different. Shale was free DLC to anyone who purchased the game new. The Prothean, who is far more significant than Shale as it is a goddamn Prothean and important to the lore, is exclusive to the CE editions.

I understand your point, but considering it's been implied that the Prothean is in the game whether you buy him or not [just his squadmate status], this is also a much more interesting deal then with Shale, who was all or nothing based on if you pre-ordered/bought the game new.

I am not excusing or trying to dismiss the legitimate concerns of my fellow BSN gamers, just trying to also remind people that day 1 DLC has always been purely optional and this is nothing we haven't already experienced in terms of content offered up like this.

[Kuei_Jin]

Aedan333 wrote...

Kuei_Jin wrote...

The boycott will go as well as the Modern Warfare 2 boycott, as in everyone here will be playing Mass Effect 3 on release no matter what they wrote.

True I have played and own every Bioware game (aside from the neverwinter games) and I will not miss out on this game but my preorder has been canceled because of this. Trying to squeeze out that extra 10 dollars from me made me feel like hey you know what I can wait a few months for the price to go down. To be honest ill buy the game at 30 dollars and get the dlc too but hey that 10 extra dollars just lost them 20 from me.

Wow what a boycott, you are going to play a game anyway. See my point stands, boycotts fail
Also is this your view or totalbiscuit's view? People need to think for themselves and not follow blindly.

[EmeraldJunkie]

One Word: Boycott
I sound like a right, naughty word, but it breaks my nerdy heart when developers do something like this. How did the conversation go down when they thought of this? "Hey, let's make a prothen squad member, then charge people for him!". I want to hit the guy who thought of that. And hit him hard.
I am a HUGE Mass Effect fan. I cried tears of joy when I saw Garrus in Mass Effect 2. I recognised him immediately. It was like not seeing a good friend for a long time, then seeing him kick some ass. Mass Effect is one of my favourite game franchises, and it saddens me that I'll be missing out on what appears to be a somewhat amazing game.
But, I'd rather spend my money on a game where the developers wont rip me off.
If they exist anymore.
In my opinion, we must show EA and Bioware that we wont stand for this.
But, if you choose to buy the DLC, I wont condemn you. That was your choice.
I've made mine.
I've also cancelled my pre-order.

[Theory75]

Have to agree with TB on this one - something like this is completely unacceptable.
I´ve been a huge Bioware supporter for the longest time, but their recent decisions regarding all the different dlc and exclusive stuff in Mass Effect 3 and its different versions have made me just sad and angry.

You don't cut relevant part(s) of the game away and give it it only to buyers of certain version of the game OR charge extra for it. It's wrong on every possible level.

This will most certainly affect my future purchases from Bioware.

[ODST 3]

I encourage players who aren't getting the CE to boycott this stuff. It worked for people who found it unacceptable in Battlefield 3 and can work again. The line should be drawn somewhere and a piece of the story so essential that has already been made should not cost extra. It's a dirty tactic.

[Chuvvy]

I like how everyone here is just assuming that if the consumer lets this fly it won't get worse. It will, they did the Cerberus network, which I was okay with, I was okay with Shale, and I was okay with DA2, but this, is not okay. They are ****ing over their own paying customers. Not, okay. Makes me sick mother****er, how far they done fell.

I fully support this boycott, it's not like the story is any good anyway. 

Modifié par Slidell505, 22 février 2012 - 06:33 .

[TwwlX]

wolfsite wrote...

Then you might as well boycott Capcom, WB Games, THQ, Square Enix, 2K, Activision etc.

All of those companies have done day 1 DLC..... so it would be hyporcitical of peopel to boycott one but continue to support the others.

And what makes you think that i have bought any games from these publishers in the recent years?
Not every developer/publisher ****s over their user base with these kind of business practices. Look at Valve for example. They know how treat their consumers properly.

[DukeAuroch]

I really hope BioWare comes out and tells you fools that this character's exclusivity only has to do with him being a squad member or not.

[rumbalumba]

Cobra5 wrote...

I don't even see why its important if he's a really interesting character.

If it was Legion who was DLC I don't see why that would've been an issue, for example. If you don't want the DLC, don't buy it; If the DLC sounds like its worth the money, buy it.

The cost of making big games like these is going up and up, and they have three choices:
Make smaller games (So the content wouldn't even be there, even if you wanted to pay for it),
Raise the price of the base game (So everyone has to pay for it weather they want it or not), 
Let you pick if you want to raise the price (You can pay for it if it sounds interesting to you).

Not really seeing the ethical quandary here.

how about...

pay $60 for the full, complete experience just like what we have been doing for the past 30 years???

[Charsi]

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I agree with most of what it says, but he said one thing wrong, he said that Digital Deluxe dont come with soundtrack, he's wrong, the Mass Effect 3 N7 Digital Deluxe comes with the digital soundtrack!

The N7 Digital Deluxe is pretty mutch like the  N7 Collector's Edition, the diference between them is one is Physical and the other is all Digital.

Modifié par Charsi, 22 février 2012 - 06:36 .