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[wicked_being]

Why can't they just give it for free if you buy it new

[Marionetten]

Pattonesque wrote...

You're not leading a revolution. You're making a decision on ten bucks worth of content.

Actually, you're making a decision whether to encourage an incredibly destructive industry trend or not.

As a gamer you should be passionate about this. This is about the future of the medium. If we keep encouraging this kind of nonsense things will only worsen. Look at what has happened in the span of ten years. How everything has been monetized. Developers went from focusing on offering superb packages to delivering unfinished products just so they can ask for sixty more dollars at the end of the day. It's greedy and plain wrong.

Ask yourself if you're a fan of EA suits or BioWare games. I guarantee you that supporting this will not result in better games.

[Thoth_Amon]

No one milks a customer like EA, no one!

[Sluggs201]

Kuei_Jin wrote...

Aedan333 wrote...

Kuei_Jin wrote...

The boycott will go as well as the Modern Warfare 2 boycott, as in everyone here will be playing Mass Effect 3 on release no matter what they wrote.

True I have played and own every Bioware game (aside from the neverwinter games) and I will not miss out on this game but my preorder has been canceled because of this. Trying to squeeze out that extra 10 dollars from me made me feel like hey you know what I can wait a few months for the price to go down. To be honest ill buy the game at 30 dollars and get the dlc too but hey that 10 extra dollars just lost them 20 from me.

Wow what a boycott, you are going to play a game anyway. See my point stands, boycotts fail
Also is this your view or totalbiscuit's view? People need to think for themselves and not follow blindly.

Yes because the boycoot for battlefield 3 didnt work at al......


oh wait it did and they changed it. You won't see a ME3 game linked to my account at all nor will I be playing it until changes are made. They work if people are serious and willing to commit.

[Crackseed]

Sluggs201 wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Galenwolf wrote...

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I agree with total biscuit, last bioware game I ever buy and i've been a big bioware  since the days of Baldur's Gate.

Anything that is cosmetic is fine, but not this.

Technically this is cosmetic - it is not required for you to enjoy Mass Effect 3 in it's entirely - it is an optional character experience. If you bought DA:O and then paid for Shale, you have ALREADY done the exact thing you're claiming you won't do.

Wow well you apprently have no idea the difference between cosmetic and content. This is content and not cosmetic. Cosmetic has no impact on the single or multiplayer experience of the game. This is content because it does matter to the single player game.

The hoodie you get for CE? cosmetic. That dog? cosmetic. extra character? content.

I would be fine if this was given to all people who bought game for free like the store in DA2 but this is taking content out of the game and selling it to me for an extra $10. There is a limit to how greedy you can get and they just crossed it in my opinion.

You are misreading my use of the word cosmetic. Cosmetic can mean something that is basically a filler product. It does not prevent you from completing or enjoying the full gameplay experience. It does not give you an "advantage" over someone else. It is purely optional, aka cosmetic to your game experience. Yes, I realize it's not the same as say the hoodie, but you brought up the dog. It is interactable. So it can technically fall under the same vein as the Prothean. So could the weapons. They affect your gameplay experience just the same as the Prothean being a squaddie will - they are optional and unnecessary for you to play the game from start to finish.

Edit: I should add that I totally support the idea of this being given to ALL new game purchases, not simply the CE/DDE owners, much like Shale was for DA:O.

Modifié par crackseed, 22 février 2012 - 06:36 .

[EmeraldJunkie]

TwwlX wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Then you might as well boycott Capcom, WB Games, THQ, Square Enix, 2K, Activision etc.

All of those companies have done day 1 DLC..... so it would be hyporcitical of peopel to boycott one but continue to support the others.

And what makes you think that i have bought any games from these publishers in the recent years?
Not every developer/publisher ****s over their user base with these kind of business practices. Look at Valve for example. They know how treat their consumers properly.

Atleast Bioware can count to three, and understand the Gregorian Calendar...

[JaegerBane]

Pattonesque wrote...

You guys. You guys.

Listen.

It's totally OK not to want to buy this game. Your money, your choice. It's really none of my business whether or not this influences your purchasing decision.

You've got to meet me halfway on something, though. Your decision to boycott a game because of a piece of extra content is not the moral equivalent to standing up against, say, hunger, or racism. You can't keep couching your responses in such absurd terms. You know why? Once you've gone all-in on something like a video game (and video games are important and weighty topics worth caring about, but they fall somewhat low on the ladder of cosmic import), you won't have anywhere else to go once you're talking about something with actual weight. People are going to dismiss your impassioned plea about income inequality or the fight to cure cancer because you used the same intensity and passion when you took your very brave stand against downloadable content. For a video game.

Basically, before you post, read it over. If the tone reminds you of Henry V's St. Crispin's day speech, chill out. If it wouldn't seem tonally out of place coming from Ryan Gosling in the rain during "The Notebook", chill out. You're not leading a revolution. You're making a decision on ten bucks worth of content.

Much as I dislike the situation with charging for stuff that was clearly ready for inclusion in the final game....

...I sort of agree.

I can understand a player boycotting it, but if there's one thing that makes a poster sound less like an wronged customer and more like a hyperbole-spewing nutter is this talk of 'I'M GOING TO STAND BY MY PRINCIPLES YADDA YADDA' etc etc. You're not applying for conscientious objector status while your country is at war. You're not trying to distribute aid in a war-torn third world country, risking life and liberty. You're making a decision as to whether to spend 10 dollars.

There is a certain point where it gets silly. Boycotting will only achieve any kind of effect if it is done on a large enough scale like BF3, and as someone else has said, its starting to sound like the MW2 'boycott' in here. You know, the one that accomplished nowt.

If you're going to do a boycott, actually do it, don't shout to the rafters the show an ME3 linked to your account a few days later.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 22 février 2012 - 06:37 .

[Bad King]

wicked_being wrote...

Why can't they just give it for free if you buy it new

Because profit.

Unfortunate for us consumers.

Modifié par Bad King, 22 février 2012 - 06:36 .

[wolfsite]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Galenwolf wrote...

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I agree with total biscuit, last bioware game I ever buy and i've been a big bioware  since the days of Baldur's Gate.

Anything that is cosmetic is fine, but not this.

Then you might as well boycott Capcom, WB Games, THQ, Square Enix, 2K, Activision etc.

All of those companies have done day 1 DLC..... so it would be hyporcitical of peopel to boycott one but continue to support the others.

I'm going to buy the N7 Collector's Editions for Xbox 360 and PS3 and I'm not going to let some annoying twit on youtube tell me what I will buy or not. If you want to boycott Mass Effect 3 be my guest. I'll be having fun and you won't be.

I've had the CE pre ordered since December and I can't wait to play.

I was just pointing out how hypocritical it is to boycott Bioware over something that other companies have been doing for quite some time now.

[rumbalumba]

Charsi wrote...

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I agree with most of what it says, but he get one thing wrong,  the Mass Effect 3 N7 Digital Deluxe comes with the digital soundtrack!

The N7 Digital Deluxe is pretty mutch like the  N7 Collector's Edition, the diference between them is one is Physical and the other is all Digital.

and frankly, of all the issues around this game no one cares about digital or physical.

[Cobra5]

rumbalumba wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

I don't even see why its important if he's a really interesting character.

If it was Legion who was DLC I don't see why that would've been an issue, for example. If you don't want the DLC, don't buy it; If the DLC sounds like its worth the money, buy it.

The cost of making big games like these is going up and up, and they have three choices:
Make smaller games (So the content wouldn't even be there, even if you wanted to pay for it),
Raise the price of the base game (So everyone has to pay for it weather they want it or not), 
Let you pick if you want to raise the price (You can pay for it if it sounds interesting to you).

Not really seeing the ethical quandary here.

how about...

pay $60 for the full, complete experience just like what we have been doing for the past 30 years???

Because then the full, complete experience is smaller then what you are getting with ME3.

So you are picking option one: Don't make the extra content at all, charge a flat $60 for the game, and the cost cuts come from skiping development of the content in the first place.

[Justicar]

TotalBiscuit is a perfect example of entertaining, pretentious YouTuber.

MysticStormx wrote...

It's not that we think that we should have content for free, it's the fact that this was something that should have been in the main game in the first place. If this was made after the game was released I would be able to understand charging for it a bit better.

Well then I direct you to this.

Il Divo wrote...

Any developer has the right to establish the terms of any sale, much like any other product. If I buy a toy, sometimes batteries will be included. Sometimes they won't, like everything else in life. I don't like the idea of paying extra, but Bioware isn't doing anything that's not within their rights as the creator of a product, with intentions of distribution.

[Kuei_Jin]

TwwlX wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Then you might as well boycott Capcom, WB Games, THQ, Square Enix, 2K, Activision etc.

All of those companies have done day 1 DLC..... so it would be hyporcitical of peopel to boycott one but continue to support the others.

And what makes you think that i have bought any games from these publishers in the recent years?
Not every developer/publisher ****s over their user base with these kind of business practices. Look at Valve for example. They know how treat their consumers properly.

Valve are a totally different studio compared to rest of the gaming world where realities don't exist thanks to steam money. I wouldn't use them as an example.

[Toasty-RF]

I'll reserve my judgement for the point at which we actually know what's in the pack, and what is in the game.

Modifié par Toasty-RF, 22 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[Beefcake9000]

I pre-ordered the Digital N7 edition before I knew about this. I felt a little dirty about it, more so now. I'm not  a big fan of Day 1 DLC, cosmetic or otherwise, but I' ve previously bought the Collectors Editions of ME1 & 2 and wanted to complete the set, so to speak. Even so, the sheer amount of DLC on offer seemed pretty ridculous.

But this? This just takes the cake. If this was just a 'generic soldier squadmate' DLC I don't think people would be getting so pissy. This character, if you're a fan of the series, since ME1, ME2, the DLCs, the books etc etc, is kind of a big deal.

This isn't another Zaaed or Kasumi. I loved those characters, but I can see how you can play the game without them present. This 'optional' character on the other hand, has major lore implications and you would expect - a signifcant impact on ME3. At least he should, because otherwise, what the hell are the writers thinking?

I really don't see how what may be the last surviving Prothean could not be considered important enough to be
included as standard. I guess I'll find out when I get the game, because as a fan of the series, I don't want to miss out on this addition to ME lore. So I'm not cancelling my order, hell, I'd ordered anyway without being aware of this.

But I find this a terrible, terrible move by Bioware/EA. It feels like a real kick in the quads to those of us who have invested significant time and money into this franchise. A LIVING PROTHEAN IS NOT TRIVIAL. It sure as hell shouldn't be considered optional. And that's before you consider the ethics of cutting content completed before launch to be sold seperately.

I cannot comprehend how anyone could defend or agree with their decision to do this. Maybe it is their 'right' to do it, but that doesn't make it right. It's a crappy way to treat loyal fans and customers and doesn't make me inclined to buy future BW/EA products. I seriously hope BW/EA reconsider this.

Modifié par Beefcake9000, 22 février 2012 - 06:42 .

[rumbalumba]

wow people are really up in Bioware's arse. if people are smart enough to complain then Bioware would have no choice but to change it. just look at Battlefield 3.

that jsut means there are people who are dumb enough to be actually accepting of this and shell out $10-$20 more. imagine if people here collectively complain about this, Bioware would be forced to make this character DLC free day one. good gawd.

[wolfsite]

Kuei_Jin wrote...

TwwlX wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Then you might as well boycott Capcom, WB Games, THQ, Square Enix, 2K, Activision etc.

All of those companies have done day 1 DLC..... so it would be hyporcitical of peopel to boycott one but continue to support the others.

And what makes you think that i have bought any games from these publishers in the recent years?
Not every developer/publisher ****s over their user base with these kind of business practices. Look at Valve for example. They know how treat their consumers properly.

Valve are a totally different studio compared to rest of the gaming world where realities don't exist thanks to steam money. I wouldn't use them as an example.

Considering how they milk TF2 players ya they are not a good example.

[Thoro123]

They should just sell the full game for 60€ rather than selling the game in pieces.

I have nothing against DLC per se, but when you take away a part of the game before launch, and sell it for extra moneys it's just wrong.

Because this is what happened:
1. They made a game.
2. They cut a part of the game.
3. They sell the rest of the game for full price.
4. If you want the full game THAT THEY FINISHED WELL BEFORE THE LAUNCH, you must bay 10 big ones extra.


Release all the DLC you want, but make it as EXTRA CONTENT after the launch, not PART OF THE GAME before the launch.

[Justicar]

Marionetten wrote...

I guarantee you that supporting this will not result in better games.

It does actually.

Better, more expensive games.

btw Americans should be happy, I bought MY Collectors Edition for the equivalent of $92. So yeah.

[El Ejcovero]

crackseed wrote...

Technically this is cosmetic - it is not required for you to enjoy Mass Effect 3 in it's entirely - it is an optional character experience. If you bought DA:O and then paid for Shale, you have ALREADY done the exact thing you're claiming you won't do.

For one, a golemn is not as important to the plot as a Prothean, so no, this is not cosmetic, protheans are the most important element in the entire Mass Effect lore, and now we have one, that is alive, but is day one DLC, that is unacceptable. And for me personally, day one DLC is always unacceptable since whatever content is in that DLC should have been in the game, I don't care what it was, cutting out content (that is already finished and working) of the product to sell seperately is immoral.

[Bad King]

TwwlX wrote...

I really enjoyed the demo immensely but this takes nickel and diming to a whole new level.

TotalBiscuit agrees www.youtube.com/watch

First they pull the free game promotion from Origin (BF3), now this ****? This has EA written all over it. They're milking every franchise they can. So long BioWare!

I approve of this video. 10$ day 1 DLC?! Just... wow.

[Marionetten]

rumbalumba wrote...

wow people are really up in Bioware's arse. if people are smart enough to complain then Bioware would have no choice but to change it. just look at Battlefield 3.

that jsut means there are people who are dumb enough to be actually accepting of this and shell out $10-$20 more. imagine if people here collectively complain about this, Bioware would be forced to make this character DLC free day one. good gawd.

Unfortunately fanboyism has poisoned the industry beyond repair. People don't care about good games anymore. People just care about brands. A sad state of affairs.

Justicar wrote...

It does actually.

Better, more expensive games.

btw Americans should be happy, I bought MY Collectors Edition for the equivalent of $92. So yeah.

They're not spending their profits on making the DLC. The DLC is already made. They're intentionally cutting it out of the game and selling it as a seperate product. How exactly does this make the game better?

Modifié par Marionetten, 22 février 2012 - 06:43 .

[Duncaaaaaan]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 février 2012 - 09:13 .

[Kuei_Jin]

Why not boycott every other company with day 1 dlc? Stop being up totalbiscuit's arse.

[Goddy10]

The boycott will not work. Get over it.

There is no way in hell you can gather enough support to even show up on the sales radar come launch. EA look at protest movements like this and laugh, because they know they have you over a barrel.

And for the love of christ, don't blame Bioware for something that is clearly the greedy brainchild of EA.