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[Bad King]

Justicar wrote...

kelton312 wrote...

The bioware defense force is strong in this thread.

So is the Anti-BioWare Naz* Party.

It's ironic really how you don't like people defending BioWare yet you're a "fan", apparently.

Being a fan doesn't necessarily mean supporting BioWare at every turn. If you're a fan who's unhappy with something the company is doing then you should let your voice be heard. Offering criticism is in many cases being a more dedicated fan.

[Glesson]

There's a marketing plan, strategy, whatever. It's probably already discussed how many dlcs ME3 will get and an overall concept. Raging won't change a thing. I'm not pleased with teh current state of what Bioware has become under EA"s ownership, but I think there's nothing the average fan can do about it at this point, when we're ~10 days away from release date.

[Justicar]

loungeshep wrote...

BUT how do we know that he isn't part of the game, and the DLC just makes him a Squadmate?

This is actually the case, funnily enough. He is in the main game, but DLC makes him a squaddie.

Also, his dialogue was in the Demo, which strengthens my point.

[El Ejcovero]

Kuei_Jin wrote...

Why not boycott every other company with day 1 dlc? Stop being up totalbiscuit's arse.

Who says we don't? I don't buy day one DLC, period. It is immoral.

[rumbalumba]

Cobra5 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...



how about...

pay $60 for the full, complete experience just like what we have been doing for the past 30 years???

Because then the full, complete experience is smaller then what you are getting with ME3.

So you are picking option one: Don't make the extra content at all, charge a flat $60 for the game, and the cost cuts come from skiping development of the content in the first place.

what do you mean smaller? are you kidding me? so you're telling me, that if Bioware should make a game worth $60, that it should be a "smaller" experience? don't give me that crap. so you're telling me that developing one character, one mission, and a few lines would have cost Bioware so much money? remember, they're charging you $10 for that, going by ME2 the third game will probably sell 3 million units or so and that's roughly $30 million. let's say half of those players buy the DLC so that's $15 million. you meant to tell me it will cost Bioware $15 million for a character, a mission, and some lines?

extra content is something like an expansion pack that was developed to further the game experience AFTER the game is released, like Yuri's Revenge for Red Alert 2, like Catalycysm for Warcraft, like Vacation for The Sims, you know more maps, more characters, gameplay tweaks, new storyline, etc. those are what i call extra content.

a character and a mission is hardly "extra content". it is content developed alongside the game, cut off, and then slapped with a price tag 1/6th of the full game's price.

[Maias227]

I don't mind day one dlc as long as the game can function fine without it. I definitely do not consider it an unholy act of betrayal that will make me scream "PRE ORDER CANCLED" at the moon. I want to play Mass Effect 3.

[burr beer]

Cobra5 wrote...

Thoro123 wrote...

They should just sell the full game for 60€ rather than selling the game in pieces.

I have nothing against DLC per se, but when you take away a part of the game before launch, and sell it for extra moneys it's just wrong.

Because this is what happened:
1. They made a game.
2. They cut a part of the game.
3. They sell the rest of the game for full price.
4. If you want the full game THAT THEY FINISHED WELL BEFORE THE LAUNCH, you must bay 10 big ones extra.


Release all the DLC you want, but make it as EXTRA CONTENT after the launch, not PART OF THE GAME before the launch.

1. They made a game (That costed more then their previous games to make)
2. They cut a part of the game (leaving the original chunk still bigger then their previous games)
3. They sell the rest of the game for full price (Because they would've had to raise it to over full price to cover development costs)
4. If you want the full game THAT THEY FINISHED BEFORE THE LAUNCH, you must pay 10 big ones extra (because they decided it'd be better to let you decide to pay $70 or not for the full game, rather then pulling the price up for everyone to cover the extra dev costs)

What difference does it make if they make it before or after launch? Either you pay $70 for the "full" content now or later.

Do you really think with pre-orders at 5x the amount of ME2 that they're not going to make the money back to cover development costs without forcing fans to pay $10 for content that is done at the same time as the final game?

[PROdotes]

The issue I have with this is the big picture... if we gamers don't draw a line here, in 2-3 years we'll have games releasing with only the main story and 10 hours of content for 40$... and you can buy sidequests for an aditional 10$ per hour...
Imagine buying skyrim and getting the main storyline... but every dungeon that's not main story line related is locked... and you can buy them for 1$ each... would any of you be ok with that?
It's extra content... so it might as well be a DLC, right?

[DTKT]

Just watch this.

[StephanieBengal]

wicked_being wrote...

Why can't they just give it for free if you buy it new

If you were on the other side of the coin and not the consumer, would you feel the same way? 

People can make valid or silly ass arguements about this until the sky falls, point still is...you don't have to buy it. Heck, if you can't afford to buy it, then you just can't. 

EA/Bioware has no say in people's financial responsible, point blank. I brought the CE of this game. Any other DLC they decided to do from here and now. Guess what? I'll judge if I want to pay for it and secondly I'll see how my budget is during that time. 

I'm sorry, I just won't lose sleep over this, because ultimately we're talking about a source of entertainment. I enjoy playing video games, but at the end of the day it's not a priority to me. I got other things more important to do with my life and time. If the day comes where I can't play them because of prices and so on, then I simply won't. 

It isn't complicated, they're going to do business tactics that work, because a majority of people shell out for it. It would be MORONIC to not do this from a business stand point. 

You know what they're going to do, so make your stand or decision. Don't buy it, buy it, don't play it, etc. 

Modifié par StephanieBengal, 22 février 2012 - 06:49 .

[iggy4566]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

This is too far.

I'm not buying ME3. They are ripping us off. They are charging full price for an unfinished product, then charging extra for that unfinished content

I'm going to pirate it. 100% content for 0% of the price.

It's high time developers started blaming THEMSELVES for piracy.

Watch out guys. We're dealing with a badass over here!

I'm not doing this to be badass. Sounds like you're jealous you don't know how to pirate games.

I'm doing this, because If there's one way for a consumer to get a message across, it is to SPEAK WITH THEIR WALLET.

I'm going to finish playing this game, because I need closure. I played ME1, and ME2, I want to see ME3 through.

This is why we get origin.

[Lazureus Falcone]

I already have the pre-order.. but sadly this will be the last Bioware game i buy,

"Then you might as well boycott Capcom, WB Games, THQ, Square Enix, 2K, Activision etc."

I don't believe I've bought any games from those companies in the last decade.. so.. no skin off my back.

[Williamkane117]

From a moral standpoint I cannot support this, even though I pre ordered the collectors edition. It is unethical to market and sell something that was made before launch that is not on the disc. When someone pays full price for a game they should be able to expect to be able to play the game to the FULLEST.

The fact that its a living prothean means that it has the potential to be a huge part of the story with many interesting and/or key plot points and being an RPG, they story is pretty important to the overall experiance of the game I would think! The fact that it was made before the game launches means everybody should be entitled to it when they pay full price for a new game.
Just to be clear, I am NOT complaining about the price. If it was post launch DLC, then that would be fine. I would happily pay for it as I am not entitled to it when I buy a new game.

I will most probably boycott. Its a true shame as I loved Mass Effect. But I cannot support this. At least I have other games to play.....

Modifié par Williamkane117, 22 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[Bad King]

Theory75 wrote...

Just wow. Talk about Bioware fanboyism..

They're indoctrinated, they're capable of anything!

[Veggiesofmanycolors]

All of you complaining about the price kindly shut up. This isn't some third rate developer who throws whatever turd into a box like Asura's Wrath and charges 60 bucks for it.
This is Bioware we're talking about and even if the full game cost over one hundred dollars that is still a steal.

The amount of entertainment from one Bioware game is equal to that of at least 10 lesser games.

[Kuei_Jin]

A lot of people saying most probably or last game. This boycott is FAIL.

[Thoth_Amon]

wolfsite wrote...

You obviously haven't been in the store.

and before you say that is optinal content.  So is what is being offered here... only you get a lot more value for this DLC then for what you get in the Man Store.

Not the same.  At all.

So if Rockstar comes out with GTA V, you know that little studio known for open world games, and says "Hey, this section of the game is going to be locked out unless you give us $10 on top of the $60 you already paid us."  That's just fine.  That part of the game is optional after all, right?

Bioware always hypes up their characters and then has the gall to charge everyone an exorboriant price on top.  **** that.  If you like supporting anti-consumer practices such as this, hey knock yourself out.  Don't act like this is the same as any company out there.  Why not make James "Jersey Shore" Vega optional?  Hell, we really only need two squadmates to play the game.  Just sell the rest as DLC!

[Cly Suva]

Any developer has the right to establish the terms of any sale, much like any other product. If I buy a toy, sometimes batteries will be included. Sometimes they won't, like everything else in life. I don't like the idea of paying extra, but Bioware isn't doing anything that's not within their rights as the creator of a product, with intentions of distribution.

Of course the developer has the right to dictate the terms. But if the developer offers me a toy car with 3 wheels and fourth one as extra purchase... I as a customer have a right to say: "Cutting out parts of the product to sell them separately is ethically wrong! I do not support this sort of behaviour!" And I vote with my wallet not to support it.

[Crackseed]

El Ejcovero wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Technically this is cosmetic - it is not required for you to enjoy Mass Effect 3 in it's entirely - it is an optional character experience. If you bought DA:O and then paid for Shale, you have ALREADY done the exact thing you're claiming you won't do.

For one, a golemn is not as important to the plot as a Prothean, so no, this is not cosmetic, protheans are the most important element in the entire Mass Effect lore, and now we have one, that is alive, but is day one DLC, that is unacceptable. And for me personally, day one DLC is always unacceptable since whatever content is in that DLC should have been in the game, I don't care what it was, cutting out content (that is already finished and working) of the product to sell seperately is immoral.

But see, here's the fallacy with your point - it is an optional character. It doesn't matter that it is a Prothean. The mere fact that you can play the full game w/o needing him means....right. It's optional. No different then Shale or extra weapons, skins, etc. I understand that people are ticked because of the concept of a Prothean, a big lore character, being made into a DLC squaddie, but again as it's not required for you to play the game in it's entirety, it falls under the same label as all other DLCs of this nature.

Frankly Bioware would have saved themselves alot of grief by giving him out in the same way that Shale was. The only way they'll mitigate this if they don't change their minds from a big enough protest is if he's in the game for everyone, just that his squadmate status/optional mission[s] is affected by the DLC.

Modifié par crackseed, 22 février 2012 - 06:51 .

[Marionetten]

PROdotes wrote...

The issue I have with this is the big picture... if we gamers don't draw a line here, in 2-3 years we'll have games releasing with only the main story and 10 hours of content for 40$... and you can buy sidequests for an aditional 10$ per hour...
Imagine buying skyrim and getting the main storyline... but every dungeon that's not main story line related is locked... and you can buy them for 1$ each... would any of you be ok with that?
It's extra content... so it might as well be a DLC, right?

This is actually going to happen. You step up to the dungeon entrance and you get a pop up saying "DO YOU WANT TO ENTER THIS DUNGEON? PLEASE ENTER YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER." You sigh and oblige, heading inside for adventure. Oh, look, a treasure chest. Yay! You click it only to be met by this. "DO YOU WANT TO OPEN THIS LOCKED CHEST FOR SWORD OF AWESOMENESS? PLEASE ENTER YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER."

... Do you people really want this? I mean, that's what you're all asking for by defending BioWare here.

[Justicar]

kelton312 wrote...

So you enjoy bioware/ea nickle and diming you for every cent that you have for content that should be in the 60$ retail game? I sure don't, just glad I am on the PC and have the option to opt out of giving bioware any cash until it is priced legitimately. 

What a stupid rhetorical question.
I'm on the PC too. I bought the CE. If you want to steal go ahead.

Marionetten wrote...

We're fans of their games. Not their suits.

Fair enough. But then don't buy the DLC.

What I'm trying to say is, people should have been complaining about the Collectors Edition for ALL games that offer extra content if they're going to **** about anything else.

[EmeraldJunkie]

The whole "Cutting a Prothean from a game then charging people for it back" is comparable to George Lucas cutting the "No, I am your father" scene for Star Wars then charging for it.

[Bad King]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

All of you complaining about the price kindly shut up. This isn't some third rate developer who throws whatever turd into a box like Asura's Wrath and charges 60 bucks for it.

Dragon Age 2 says hi.

[Marionetten]

Justicar wrote...

Fair enough. But then don't buy the DLC.

I'm not buying the game at all. Why would I pay for an incomplete product? 

[havoc373]

as much as i want to see this boycott work, i doupt it will.
right now there is nothing that Mass Effect 3 is going to be competing with for your money.
and this news came too close to release for it to make a big impact, unless this boycott is going to be plastered all over the news sites in the next few hours. it wont get the critical mass it needs to succeed.

I hope it does, but it probably wont.