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[JaegerBane]

loungeshep wrote...
But boycotting and throwing a fit and not buying the game at all is pointless, again I M O. Just buy the game and not the DLC.

Right or wrong, it's just business though.  And if anyone gets the blame it should be EA not Bioware.

Pretty much.

I can't stand all this stuff of 'GAMES SHOULD CONTAIN EVERYTHING THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT LAUNCH, NO SEPERATE PURCHASES' stuff. Literally, that's true, but if we're going to go down the route of things that shouldn't be, there's plenty of other and far more important stuff. People shouldn't be denied free and fair elections. Children shouldn't have to fight to survive their 10th birthday and get pressed into service as child soldiers. Bankers shouldn't be paid eye-watering bonuses for screwing up.

At the end of the day, EA can charge whatever they like for whatever they want. It isn't a question of what should and shouldn't be. Its harsh, but unfortunately reality.

[Thoth_Amon]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

All of you complaining about the price kindly shut up. This isn't some third rate developer who throws whatever turd into a box like Asura's Wrath and charges 60 bucks for it.
This is Bioware we're talking about and even if the full game cost over one hundred dollars that is still a steal.

The amount of entertainment from one Bioware game is equal to that of at least 10 lesser games.

They used to be top tier but now....they are third rate.  Third rate developers run into "dev realities" and can't implement what 2 man indie studios are able to do.  Third rate developers announce a new franchise as a planned trilogy and then make it up as they go.  Third rate developers take three games to get the shooting mechanics acceptable but can't get a proper running animation working or a proper FOV.

[rumbalumba]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

All of you complaining about the price kindly shut up. This isn't some third rate developer who throws whatever turd into a box like Asura's Wrath and charges 60 bucks for it.
This is Bioware we're talking about and even if the full game cost over one hundred dollars that is still a steal.

The amount of entertainment from one Bioware game is equal to that of at least 10 lesser games.

ROFL

and you wonder why EA likes to charge us more.

[wolfsite]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

You obviously haven't been in the store.

and before you say that is optinal content.  So is what is being offered here... only you get a lot more value for this DLC then for what you get in the Man Store.

Not the same.  At all.

So if Rockstar comes out with GTA V, you know that little studio known for open world games, and says "Hey, this section of the game is going to be locked out unless you give us $10 on top of the $60 you already paid us."  That's just fine.  That part of the game is optional after all, right?

Bioware always hypes up their characters and then has the gall to charge everyone an exorboriant price on top.  **** that.  If you like supporting anti-consumer practices such as this, hey knock yourself out.  Don't act like this is the same as any company out there.  Why not make James "Jersey Shore" Vega optional?  Hell, we really only need two squadmates to play the game.  Just sell the rest as DLC!

This DLC was originally only available to the CE.  Thus it is optional content not needed for the whole experience.  They are just making it available to people who buy the SE version so they can experience it IF they want to.

[loungeshep]

Justicar wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

BUT how do we know that he isn't part of the game, and the DLC just makes him a Squadmate?

This is actually the case, funnily enough. He is in the main game, but DLC makes him a squaddie.

Also, his dialogue was in the Demo, which strengthens my point.

That's pretty cool really.

Then we have a 'the last of his kind' character. 

[DJBare]

I'm getting the CE, so it's not really a problem for me, but it is a major disappointment that such an important character is in a separate DLC, anyone who started from ME1 knows just how central Protheans are to the plot, all the more reason this will be my last purchase, I've no problem with companies trying to make a profit, people need to get paid for their work, but I do have a problem when a centralized character is treated the same way as robotdog.

[Bad King]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

One minute people are whining that the Prothean shouldn`t even exist, the next they`re planning to boycott the game if they can`t get him for free.

Never change, BSN.

How do you know it's the same people? Or is BSN one big organism (a reaper)?

[Justicar]

Marionetten wrote...

I'm not buying the game at all. Why would I pay for an incomplete product? 

Good, don't buy the game. Save your money, give it to charity.

[Marionetten]

JaegerBane wrote...

At the end of the day, EA can charge
whatever they like for whatever they want. It isn't a question of what
should and shouldn't be. Its harsh, but unfortunately reality.

They can because they get away with it. It's somewhat hilarious how you complain that boycotting Mass Effect 3 isn't going to change anything while promoting apathy.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Kuei_Jin wrote...

A lot of people saying most probably or last game. This boycott is FAIL.

You forget/don't know that Totalbiscuit called for a boycott for BF3 exclusive weapons, and it caused such a ruckus that EA backed down from the exclusive weapons from particular retail outlets.

I think with more momentum there's a chance EA will back away from this day one DLC as well.

In addition, review sites across the internet will criticise the game for this.

[Thoth_Amon]

wolfsite wrote...

This DLC was originally only available to the CE.  Thus it is optional content not needed for the whole experience.  They are just making it available to people who buy the SE version so they can experience it IF they want to.

And that's such a ****ty way of looking at things.  Then, I guess Bioware doesn't need all of my money?  I can still play the game but I can also pay for it IF I want to.  My experience will be the same and in fact will probably be a much better experience overall.

[El Ejcovero]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

All of you complaining about the price kindly shut up. This isn't some third rate developer who throws whatever turd into a box like Asura's Wrath and charges 60 bucks for it.
This is Bioware we're talking about and even if the full game cost over one hundred dollars that is still a steal.

The amount of entertainment from one Bioware game is equal to that of at least 10 lesser games.

This isn't about price, but the immoral practice of day one DLC.
And no, I never buy day one DLC. And something as improtant to the plot as a Prothean being deliberately cut out to milk more money goes beyond immoral.

[JaegerBane]

loungeshep wrote...

Justicar wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

BUT how do we know that he isn't part of the game, and the DLC just makes him a Squadmate?

This is actually the case, funnily enough. He is in the main game, but DLC makes him a squaddie.

Also, his dialogue was in the Demo, which strengthens my point.

That's pretty cool really.

Then we have a 'the last of his kind' character. 

I was assuming he was either mute or amnesiac, as he doesn't seem to have an actual name - presumably he just can't tell you it.

I suppose being the last of your kind would make a name a little redundant, of course.

[Soundsystem]

It's included in the CE because the CE costs $75 as opposed to the $60 of the regular game.

So it's not like we (those who ordered the CE) aren't paying for the DLC..

Modifié par Soundsystem, 22 février 2012 - 06:56 .

[Bad King]

Arcian wrote...

I've decided to start a petition on the matter.

Please sign and pass it on to your friends and associates who love Mass Effect and want the content to be shared fairly to everyone.

[Crackseed]

Marionetten wrote...

PROdotes wrote...

The issue I have with this is the big picture... if we gamers don't draw a line here, in 2-3 years we'll have games releasing with only the main story and 10 hours of content for 40$... and you can buy sidequests for an aditional 10$ per hour...
Imagine buying skyrim and getting the main storyline... but every dungeon that's not main story line related is locked... and you can buy them for 1$ each... would any of you be ok with that?
It's extra content... so it might as well be a DLC, right?

This is actually going to happen. You step up to the dungeon entrance and you get a pop up saying "DO YOU WANT TO ENTER THIS DUNGEON? PLEASE ENTER YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER." You sigh and oblige, heading inside for adventure. Oh, look, a treasure chest. Yay! You click it only to be met by this. "DO YOU WANT TO OPEN THIS LOCKED CHEST FOR SWORD OF AWESOMENESS? PLEASE ENTER YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER."

... Do you people really want this? I mean, that's what you're all asking for by defending BioWare here.

Actually, games like this exist on Steam. There's a couple that basically limit you by how much you can play per day unless you shell out some cash. They aren't popular. Any company, especially a big one like Bioware, knows it has to tread a certain line.

Everything is getting more expensive, as our the games we play. There are plenty of people who will buy it and aren't against it [like myself] who still sympathize with the viewpoints many people are making. The problem is too many people come off as self-entitled as well and their arguments fall apart because in betwen the valid points that may be getting raised, all you see is "I DEMAND IT AND YOU OWE IT TO ME CAUSE I'M A CUSTOMER!" type of message.

Do I think they should have given it to ALL new ME3 purchases? Yeah - I do. But again, as it's an optional and non-mandatory bit of code, like all DLC, I also remember that I do have a choice and that if I refuse to buy it, I'll still enjoy ME3 w/o it. Also in their defense is that they actually tend to charge less for their DLC then other companies do, which again, is a slim saving grace, but still something to be appreciative of. We could be looking at Activision's absurd 15 dollar map packs here <.<

[rumbalumba]

JaegerBane wrote...

loungeshep wrote...
But boycotting and throwing a fit and not buying the game at all is pointless, again I M O. Just buy the game and not the DLC.

Right or wrong, it's just business though.  And if anyone gets the blame it should be EA not Bioware.

Pretty much.

I can't stand all this stuff of 'GAMES SHOULD CONTAIN EVERYTHING THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT LAUNCH, NO SEPERATE PURCHASES' stuff. Literally, that's true, but if we're going to go down the route of things that shouldn't be, there's plenty of other and far more important stuff. People shouldn't be denied free and fair elections. Children shouldn't have to fight to survive their 10th birthday and get pressed into service as child soldiers. Bankers shouldn't be paid eye-watering bonuses for screwing up.

At the end of the day, EA can charge whatever they like for whatever they want. It isn't a question of what should and shouldn't be. Its harsh, but unfortunately reality.

yeah EA can charge us whatever we want.

but if peopel are smart enough and know a lick of history, this game depends on the people who buy it not the other way around. we dictate its fate, not EA. if 1 million players would say "**** the DLC" then EA would have no choice but to give it to us for free.

honestly, is that concept hard to understand? have peopel become so stupid that they do not know these things at all? i mean, use common sense for pete's sake. so they'd rathe shell out $10-$20 rather than try and potentially get the thing for free? my god.

[Kuei_Jin]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Kuei_Jin wrote...

A lot of people saying most probably or last game. This boycott is FAIL.

You forget/don't know that Totalbiscuit called for a boycott for BF3 exclusive weapons, and it caused such a ruckus that EA backed down from the exclusive weapons from particular retail outlets.

I think with more momentum there's a chance EA will back away from this day one DLC as well.

In addition, review sites across the internet will criticise the game for this.

I do and ME3 is not facing MW3, there is nothing in the first half of the year. 

[loungeshep]

JaegerBane wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Justicar wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

BUT how do we know that he isn't part of the game, and the DLC just makes him a Squadmate?

This is actually the case, funnily enough. He is in the main game, but DLC makes him a squaddie.

Also, his dialogue was in the Demo, which strengthens my point.

That's pretty cool really.

Then we have a 'the last of his kind' character. 

I was assuming he was either mute or amnesiac, as he doesn't seem to have an actual name - presumably he just can't tell you it.

I suppose being the last of your kind would make a name a little redundant, of course.

That's why his name is going to be bob. As a lame Titan A.E. reference.

Modifié par loungeshep, 22 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[Wolf]

I agree with TB to an extent. I do think this ridiculous, and bad business I might add. But I still want Mass Effect 3 and would prefer it of EA would somehow change this by including a code a la Cerberus Network in every game.

I know it sounds naive but it's all I can hope for, considering this mad, ruthless world we live in.

[Gterror]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

One minute people are whining that the Prothean shouldn`t even exist, the next they`re planning to boycott the game if they can`t get him for free.

Never change, BSN.

Dislike all the things!

[RiouHotaru]

Again, do we have any factual evidence, BESIDES the fact he's a Prothean, that ANYTHING he has to say is relevant to the plot, and not just flavor text like Zaeed and Kasumi.

Even his dialog in the leak is just flavor text, and that's a suspect source.

If you can provide FACTUAL evidence, I'll boycott the game along with the rest of you.