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[JeffZero]

Nima55 wrote...

as I understand day 1 dlc is things that they wanted in the full game but didn't have time to finish before the game goes gold. people realize that they need to stop making the game weeks before launch right?

The Prothean has been plotted as the DLC character from at least circa E3 of last year, technically. BioWare 'inadvertently' posted his reveal when they first put the CE images up on the internet and then quickly yanked the spoiler down. That's where the whole Prothean squadmate fandom emerged, although most people called us crazy until recently.

[Giantdeathrobot]

This is beyond ridiculous. Cutting such an important character from launch only to increae profit. As TotalBiscuit said, Zaeed was fine because he was free if you bought the game new, and came with additionnal post-launch DLC. Protty was very obviously cut so that more people would buy the Collector's Edition or shell out 10 bucks for content that should by all rights be in the game. before anyone says stuff of that regard, this is NOT an entitlement issue. A potentially very important part of the game, a sodding Prothean, the race that has been at the center of the plot and is the only reason we have a plot in the first place, is cut to make more money. This **** is beyond acceptable. I was actually going to buy the Collector's Edition. Now I'm revising my purchase. So yeah, make you Pre-order Cancelled! jokes if ya want. This is a far, far more serious issue than Ashley's hair or whatnot.

[Doctalen]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So... if you're not going to play Multiplayer... it's best to buy the game used (and then just buy the DLC seperately to put the price back at normal price)... right?

Buying it used on launch or around it the price will be $55 most places so if you want to save $5 then sure. It still won't be $59.99 with tax 

Modifié par Doctalen, 22 février 2012 - 07:57 .

[rumbalumba]

Nima55 wrote...

as I understand day 1 dlc is things that they wanted in the full game but didn't have time to finish before the game goes gold. people realize that they need to stop making the game weeks before launch right?

and as we have known for the past 7 months that there is a Prothean squadmate. both from the leaked script and to the Collector's Edition video that Bioware/EA released last year.


so basically, they didn't make this character last week.

[AngryAngryBees]

Oh jeez. I used to think of myself as a Bioware fan until I visited these forums. The amount of rabid fanboyism is just staggering. It's totally okay to support a developer that makes games that you enjoy, but when something negative happens, it's important to call it out, otherwise we end up with a power mad developer that thinks they can walk all over its customers and forum moderators that are not only covering their ears and eyes to the backlash, but also end their posts with extremely unprofessional and childish catchphrases.

Refusing to release COMPLETED content with important stories is a pretty unethical thing to do. After two games of buildup about the Prothean species, showing the first Prothean and having him be in your party in Mass Effect 3 is a pretty important and interesting landmark. Holding a gun to the Prothean's head and asking for 20 MORE dollars after buying the game on the first day is undeniably unethical, considering the content is finished and is already shipped with the game.

Unless Bioware adds "From Ashes" to the game in a way that is similar to Zaeed's mission, I won't buy Mass Effect 3. It is important to not let these unethical business practices to slip buy casually.

[dangermouseuk78]

f1r3storm wrote...

Vosch wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Vosch wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Razgriz9327 wrote...

my issue is that it is in no way DLC... we have known about the DLC since the announcement of the CE... which is almost a half year... i just don't know what to say

So you expect for free what others spent an extra $20 for?

I expect the game I pay $60 for to be intact, and to not have to pay extra money for something that SHOULD ALREADY BE IN THE GAME, but has instead been ripped out to make a profit.

Where's your proof it has been ripped out?

Taking a squad member out of the game so that you have to pay $20 extra for the Collector's Edition = ripping content out of the game

Again: Why do you assume he was part ot the main game? What makes you think he was?

Im sorry but how can a Prothean survivor not be important to the story the Knowledge and know how this advance race could bring. The Story of Mass Effect makes them a big deal but hey we will just throw them in as Dlc.

[Xayoz]

Well. Any discussion on this subject is kind of moot at this point.
Cynical Fleet has been unleashed and will probably do a far better job at collecting allies than you will in ME3. Yogscast is already on board.
Hopefully Bioware won't be as foolish to just try to ignore this.

[Draconis6666]

Well obviously since he has files on the disc he was removed from the game! its not like Kasumi had files on the disc for ME 2 (she did)

[rumbalumba]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

so let me get this straight


less than $60 - used, no MP, not the full game

$60 - no Prothean, not the full game

$70-$80 - most likely the FULL game

$90-$120 - FULL game with EXTRA content

so is $80 the new $60? ROFL.
and $90 is the new $80? oh god.

Not sure how you're calculating this. I'm getting the CE for PC (in Canada) and I'm pretty sure it only costs $75-80. $120 would only be if you're getting it off Ebay or something..

store.origin.com/store/ea/en_US/html/pbPage.me3
According to Origin, you now pay $79.99 if you want the full game (Prothean is not cut out). So if the game with the Prothean is cut out it is $59.99, the day one DLC at $10 will cost $69.99. So yes, 
$70-$80 for most likely the full game. And then if you want the extra DLC coming later, it can easily get to the 
$90-$120 range. There is no miscalculation here.

yep, exaclty my point.

[HiroVoid]

Nima55 wrote...

as I understand day 1 dlc is things that they wanted in the full game but didn't have time to finish before the game goes gold. people realize that they need to stop making the game weeks before launch right?

Prothean character was written in the very first leak, and customized in the second one.  He's been planend and around since practically the beginning.  Also, the problem for me is him not coming with 'new' purchases.

[wicked_being]

So uh...besides getting to play the game and finishing the story (without waiting for a price drop), what's the incentive of buying this game on day 1? Or buying this game new at all?

[wrdnshprd]

wangxiuming wrote...

You know, I would have a bigger problem with DLC like this if the core game itself did not have much content. If I paid $60 for a game that lasted only 5 hours, and then the developers wanted to charge me $10 for another 2 hours, THEN I would be upset.

But for a game like Mass Effect, where a standard completionist playthrough will take 40-50 hours? Where the storyline spans 3 games and gives you the ability to import your decisions from previous iterations? The sheer amount of effort and labor that goes into this kind of production is almost overwhelming when you think about it.

Could EA/Bioware provide this content for free? Sure, they could. But why would they? They're not a charity. They've already developed a great product. Now they're providing additional content that we're free to choose whether or not to buy. Nobody's forcing us to pay the extra $10.

the difference is, with ME2 and DAO this kind of day 1 DLC was included with a new copy of the game.. explain to me why this should be different.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 22 février 2012 - 08:00 .

[Darth Death]

HiroVoid wrote...

It's brilliant from a business standpoint because they'll make a ton of money off of it, but very shady and just going to make people more and more wary of Bioware and EA marketing tactics. I can't see an excuse for this other than 'We want to make more money, and technically, you don't need him in the game just like you don't need Tali and Garrus as squadmates."

I've tried to keep an open mind, but this particular situation I feel exactly what you have said. I hear nothing but excuses from them & their fans. 

[Denethar]

I'll buy the game, and I will buy the DLC. I'm a huge fan of the series, so I'm willing to go that far. But after that I doubt I'm going anywhere close a Bioware game in years, very disappointed overall in how they have acted in the past few years with all of their games. My favorite developer regarding games....it's a bit sad to see. Kind of like watching Disney go to **** in the past decade.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

wicked_being wrote...

So uh...besides getting to play the game and finishing the story (without waiting for a price drop), what's the incentive of buying this game on day 1? Or buying this game new at all?

if you need more incentive than that then maybe this game isn't for you, just saying:whistle:

[JeffZero]

Darth Death wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

It's brilliant from a business standpoint because they'll make a ton of money off of it, but very shady and just going to make people more and more wary of Bioware and EA marketing tactics. I can't see an excuse for this other than 'We want to make more money, and technically, you don't need him in the game just like you don't need Tali and Garrus as squadmates."

I've tried to keep an open mind, but this particular situation I feel exactly what you have said. I hear nothing but excuses from them & their fans. 

Mm.

[EmeraldJunkie]

I think some where along the line, somebody said "It's a Prothean, of course they'll buy it!"
I dislike this person greatly.

Modifié par EmeraldJunkie, 22 février 2012 - 08:02 .

[Vosch]

f1r3storm wrote...

Vosch wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Vosch wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Razgriz9327 wrote...

my issue is that it is in no way DLC... we have known about the DLC since the announcement of the CE... which is almost a half year... i just don't know what to say

So you expect for free what others spent an extra $20 for?

I expect the game I pay $60 for to be intact, and to not have to pay extra money for something that SHOULD ALREADY BE IN THE GAME, but has instead been ripped out to make a profit.

Where's your proof it has been ripped out?

Taking a squad member out of the game so that you have to pay $20 extra for the Collector's Edition = ripping content out of the game

Again: Why do you assume he was part ot the main game? What makes you think he was?

If you've been following the Mass Effect storyline well enough the past few years, you'd already know the answer to that question. Protheans are pretty much one of the key elements of Mass Effect. They're tied in with Reapers, all the technology in the Mass Effect universe, Shepard was the only one able to see visions through their artifacts, and if you spoke to Vigil in Mass Effect 1 you'd know why Protheans are a pretty key element to the story. And seeing as this Prothean squad mate is the last surviving Prothean that we know of, it's pretty clear that he's going to be a pretty important part of the story. And we're denied access to him unless we pay $20 extra for a Collector's Edition or $10+the regular retail version. This is unacceptable for a character that will be(and should be) crucial to the story of the game.

[Wulfram]

wicked_being wrote...

So uh...besides getting to play the game and finishing the story (without waiting for a price drop), what's the incentive of buying this game on day 1? Or buying this game new at all?

Avoiding spoilers, being able to discuss it freely without hassle, and without everyone else being already bored with the discussion.

Sort of ruined if everyone's going to be lobbing Prothean spoilers about, of course.

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 février 2012 - 08:03 .

[RiouHotaru]

AngryAngryBees wrote...

Oh jeez. I used to think of myself as a Bioware fan until I visited these forums. The amount of rabid fanboyism is just staggering. It's totally okay to support a developer that makes games that you enjoy, but when something negative happens, it's important to call it out, otherwise we end up with a power mad developer that thinks they can walk all over its customers and forum moderators that are not only covering their ears and eyes to the backlash, but also end their posts with extremely unprofessional and childish catchphrases.

Refusing to release COMPLETED content with important stories is a pretty unethical thing to do. After two games of buildup about the Prothean species, showing the first Prothean and having him be in your party in Mass Effect 3 is a pretty important and interesting landmark. Holding a gun to the Prothean's head and asking for 20 MORE dollars after buying the game on the first day is undeniably unethical, considering the content is finished and is already shipped with the game.

Unless Bioware adds "From Ashes" to the game in a way that is similar to Zaeed's mission, I won't buy Mass Effect 3. It is important to not let these unethical business practices to slip buy casually.

So we assume it has to be cut content just because it's coming out on release date?

[Draconis6666]

Xayoz wrote...

Well. Any discussion on this subject is kind of moot at this point.
Cynical Fleet has been unleashed and will probably do a far better job at collecting allies than you will in ME3. Yogscast is already on board.
Hopefully Bioware won't be as foolish to just try to ignore this.

The average person who buys video games will never even see any of this because the average consumer of video games doesnt read forums or watch youtube rant videos, so the entire thing is pointless your not going to get enough support to significantly alter sales numbers. 

[EmeraldJunkie]

RiouHotaru wrote...

AngryAngryBees wrote...

Oh jeez. I used to think of myself as a Bioware fan until I visited these forums. The amount of rabid fanboyism is just staggering. It's totally okay to support a developer that makes games that you enjoy, but when something negative happens, it's important to call it out, otherwise we end up with a power mad developer that thinks they can walk all over its customers and forum moderators that are not only covering their ears and eyes to the backlash, but also end their posts with extremely unprofessional and childish catchphrases.

Refusing to release COMPLETED content with important stories is a pretty unethical thing to do. After two games of buildup about the Prothean species, showing the first Prothean and having him be in your party in Mass Effect 3 is a pretty important and interesting landmark. Holding a gun to the Prothean's head and asking for 20 MORE dollars after buying the game on the first day is undeniably unethical, considering the content is finished and is already shipped with the game.

Unless Bioware adds "From Ashes" to the game in a way that is similar to Zaeed's mission, I won't buy Mass Effect 3. It is important to not let these unethical business practices to slip buy casually.

So we assume it has to be cut content just because it's coming out on release date?

Considering it was leaked and downloadable a few days ago, yes.

[SidNitzerglobin]

Wish I could have got a CE but after they changed the release date I kind of got busy and lost track of time and only got in my pre-order last week. If this DLC was still out there I'd be buying it and pre-loading it today.

I don't get the whole attitude of getting pissed when in-game content is made available to everyone. I get CEs of games I'm excited about because I want to support the developers and so that I have more useless, game-related meatspace knick-knacks and art books to clutter my desks with, not because I want to feel superior to the unwashed masses who only bought the standard edition. Buying the CE/DDE means you don't have to pay for the day 1 DLC as well getting the special feeling of a unique box and discs and the other physical extras.

[didymos1120]

wrdnshprd wrote...

the difference is, with ME2 and DAO this kind of day 1 DLC was included with a new copy of the game.. explain to me why this should be different.

You're forgetting about Warden's Peak.

[Elios]

posting link here so more people can see it