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[EmeraldJunkie]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xayoz wrote...

Well. Any discussion on this subject is kind of moot at this point.
Cynical Fleet has been unleashed and will probably do a far better job at collecting allies than you will in ME3. Yogscast is already on board.
Hopefully Bioware won't be as foolish to just try to ignore this.

The average person who buys video games will never even see any of this because the average consumer of video games doesnt read forums or watch youtube rant videos, so the entire thing is pointless your not going to get enough support to significantly alter sales numbers. 

The Yogscast have 1,500,000 subscribers.
Quite alot of them are active.
Imagine if they all were planning on buying the regular edition, then decided to join the boycott?
Thats around £53,485,000 if all those copies would have been purchased at £34.99.
But we all know some stores sell copies for alot higher than that. And thats alot of revenue lost

[Forsythia]

SidNitzerglobin wrote...

I don't get the whole attitude of getting pissed when in-game content is made available to everyone. I get CEs of games I'm excited about because I want to support the developers and so that I have more useless, game-related meatspace knick-knacks and art books to clutter my desks with, not because I want to feel superior to the unwashed masses who only bought the standard edition. Buying the CE/DDE means you don't have to pay for the day 1 DLC as well getting the special feeling of a unique box and discs and the other physical extras.

Wut? No one gives a - about this content being made available for everyone. Heck, I applaud it because if I hate one thing this generation it's exclusive content, be it retailer exclusive pre-order items or console exclusive crap.

What people are complaining about, is that content that should've been in the main game, shouldn't cost €10,00 on release day. Yes, it has been cut from the main game, it's obvious because we've known about the Prothean since the CE was announced.

This has nothing to do with 'supporting the developers' but everything with 'supporting EA's greed'.

[RiouHotaru]

@AngryAngryBees: Well, then I don't have a problem with it myself. They worked on the DLC while working on the main game based off the script they had. As we've been told, DLC is worked on my folks NOT working on the main project.

And that the DLC is likely done, but since the game already has gone gold, it's being held onto to be sold on Day 1.

Gotcha.

[Hunter of Legends]

Justicar wrote...

YogsCast will get a LOT of people to battle this.

This should be entertaining. You know a game is going to be successful when this much controversy is based on it. This is a huge milestone for BioWare.

KILLING CIVILIANS IN AN AIRPORT IS BAD BUSINESS.

*MW2 sales break world records*

[Mclouvins]

RiouHotaru wrote...

AngryAngryBees wrote...

Oh jeez. I used to think of myself as a Bioware fan until I visited these forums. The amount of rabid fanboyism is just staggering. It's totally okay to support a developer that makes games that you enjoy, but when something negative happens, it's important to call it out, otherwise we end up with a power mad developer that thinks they can walk all over its customers and forum moderators that are not only covering their ears and eyes to the backlash, but also end their posts with extremely unprofessional and childish catchphrases.

Refusing to release COMPLETED content with important stories is a pretty unethical thing to do. After two games of buildup about the Prothean species, showing the first Prothean and having him be in your party in Mass Effect 3 is a pretty important and interesting landmark. Holding a gun to the Prothean's head and asking for 20 MORE dollars after buying the game on the first day is undeniably unethical, considering the content is finished and is already shipped with the game.

Unless Bioware adds "From Ashes" to the game in a way that is similar to Zaeed's mission, I won't buy Mass Effect 3. It is important to not let these unethical business practices to slip buy casually.

So we assume it has to be cut content just because it's coming out on release date?

People really need to step down off the soapbox, this is a luxury product so nothing they do is really unethical. That's basically besides the point though. Even if we suppose that the $80 CE is the "complete" game there's nothing saying you can't sell a game for an $80 base price, other than the fact that it probably wouldn't sell well. You could very easily make a case for ME3 being wort 20 more dollars than many full price games. If they then offerd you a product that was somewhat diminished for 75% of the total's price it would be your perogative to purchase it or not to purchase it. That is what is important, all of the ontological claims about what they ought to do are frivilous. They provide what amounts to a luxury good and it is up to you to decide if that product is a good use of your money and/or to what extent.

[dangermouseuk78]

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...what I'm getting from this thread is. As long as they didn't release DLC (regardless of how/when it's developed) on Day 1...then everyone is okay with it?

Not if it was an integrale plot to story and lore no.

[AngryAngryBees]

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...what I'm getting from this thread is. As long as they didn't release DLC (regardless of how/when it's developed) on Day 1...then everyone is okay with it?

This is an obvious strawman argument.

It's wrong to release DLC so soon after the game just gets released, because it means or implies that the content was originally supposed to be in the game, or was developed along side the main content, but was delayed in order to make more money.

[Draconis6666]

AngryAngryBees wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AngryAngryBees wrote...

Oh jeez. I used to think of myself as a Bioware fan until I visited these forums. The amount of rabid fanboyism is just staggering. It's totally okay to support a developer that makes games that you enjoy, but when something negative happens, it's important to call it out, otherwise we end up with a power mad developer that thinks they can walk all over its customers and forum moderators that are not only covering their ears and eyes to the backlash, but also end their posts with extremely unprofessional and childish catchphrases.

Refusing to release COMPLETED content with important stories is a pretty unethical thing to do. After two games of buildup about the Prothean species, showing the first Prothean and having him be in your party in Mass Effect 3 is a pretty important and interesting landmark. Holding a gun to the Prothean's head and asking for 20 MORE dollars after buying the game on the first day is undeniably unethical, considering the content is finished and is already shipped with the game.

Unless Bioware adds "From Ashes" to the game in a way that is similar to Zaeed's mission, I won't buy Mass Effect 3. It is important to not let these unethical business practices to slip buy casually.

So we assume it has to be cut content just because it's coming out on release date?

The leak a few months back showed that the Prothean was going to be a part of the game, clearly it was at least in development at that time. The fact that it's being released on release date shows that the "From Ashes" DLC is completed or will be completed with the content of the main game.

You clearly understand nothing about how vidoe games are actualy produced. Games final builds are completed ussualy almost a month before they are actualy released. The fact that DLC releases at the same time is in no way proof that it was completed at the same time as the main game's content.

[TwwlX]

Justicar wrote...

YogsCast will get a LOT of people to battle this.

This should be entertaining. You know a game is going to be successful when this much controversy is based on it. This is a huge milestone for BioWare.

It has already started thanks to TB and Reddit.com


If BioWare has any decent bones left in their bodies, they'll reverse this decision and make it available to all new editions of the game.

[nitefyre410]

Darth Death wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Isn't this effectively the same thing as what happened with Sebastian (that was his name, right?) in Dragon Age II? Except in that case there was a big promotion to boost one's preorder of the game up to Signature status for a while.

Pretty much except the SE didn't cost extra. 

 

Yes , it is but I think the mistake where  the uproar comes at the fact that is a Prothean  instead of   Bioware's wanna be Ezio Auditore De Firenze.    If  this had been just random character like Sebastian  then yea I wouldn't be so disappointed  and baffled but the fact that  this a Prothean  - the race that series is started around is just baffling..

 Thats like making a Justice League RPG  and you have  buy the DLC  to get  Superman, Batman and Wonder Women... even though there are the Big 3.

[Aspiriini]

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

[rumbalumba]

i love how some people here think we should be grateful that Bioware is making this game rather than Bioware being grateful to us for buying their crap.

we gamers dictate the fate of this game. period.

[Cobra5]

KBomb wrote...

 
People are upset because if gaming companies start the trend of cutting out non-important, but established characters from the game and charging you to bring them back into the game it could lead to half-made games in which you have to purchase and purchase and purchase to experience it. I wonder if people would be so understanding if other non-essential characters were cut and then sold. Garrus is certainly not essential to the main plot and hasn't been in either game. What if you had to pay to have him on your squad? Prothy was a part of the main game, and according to some sources he is still in the game. You have to purchase the right to have him on your team. He was not developed separately as a DLC. They cut him and decided to release him as CE content and Day One DLC simultaneously.


For some people, it isn't the $10.00. It's the principle behind it and the shady feel of it all. I can certainly understand where they're coming from. I have the CE, so whatever. But even I know this is dirty pool.

So if they just raised the game's price to $70 to cover the bigger budget ME3 had then the previous games, would you still be upset by it?

[burr beer]

Cobra5 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Fact is a day 1 DLC and an important part of the story, that is not available for free to all PREORDERS, cannot be justified. Period. It. cannot. be. justified.

Actually I posted a justifying argument quite a few pages back, and no-one has decided to respond to it.

Basically they either start raising the prices of their games or stop making their games bigger.

Your argument means nothing when you have no data of sales figures, the budget for this game, and the funding they recieved from EA, Microsoft and their other marketing partners other than "this game is big, so they probably have to price it more to make up for this big cost" 

[wrdnshprd]

didymos1120 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

the difference is, with ME2 and DAO this kind of day 1 DLC was included with a new copy of the game.. explain to me why this should be different.

You're forgetting about Warden's Peak.

which i also was not happy with..  but to equate that to a prothean?  seriously?

to me this is like them making ashley or liara day 1 DLC.  unacceptable.


ill buy ME3 because im invested in the story and i want to see how it ends.. but if bioware continues down this path.. they can forget me supporting their future franchises.  its ridiculous.

[PlumPaul93]

Forsythia wrote...Wut? No one gives a - about this content being made available for everyone. Heck, I applaud it because if I hate one thing this generation it's exclusive content, be it retailer exclusive pre-order items or console exclusive crap.

What people are complaining about, is that content that should've been in the main game, shouldn't cost €10,00 on release day. Yes, it has been cut from the main game, it's obvious because we've known about the Prothean since the CE was announced.

This has nothing to do with 'supporting the developers' but everything with 'supporting EA's greed'.

This. Well said.

[Cobra5]

Aspiriini wrote...

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

Because it means bigger and better mass effect games...?

[Hunter of Legends]

I am an ardent ME fan and I will still buy the CE...but even I find this idea bad business.

I support giving out to everyone who buys it new free; I didn't buy the CE for the Prothean.

[RiouHotaru]

AngryAngryBees wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...what I'm getting from this thread is. As long as they didn't release DLC (regardless of how/when it's developed) on Day 1...then everyone is okay with it?

This is an obvious strawman argument.

It's wrong to release DLC so soon after the game just gets released, because it means or implies that the content was originally supposed to be in the game, or was developed along side the main content, but was delayed in order to make more money.

Uhhh, but there was already a thread that explained the process of making DLC, and neither of those points you're making are true.  Sooo...

[Nima55]

Cobra5 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Fact is a day 1 DLC and an important part of the story, that is not available for free to all PREORDERS, cannot be justified. Period. It. cannot. be. justified.

Actually I posted a justifying argument quite a few pages back, and no-one has decided to respond to it.

Basically they either start raising the prices of their games or stop making their games bigger.

you make a good point. thibk about it that way, I would gadly pay more for such a large game as this.

[mulder1199]

Amikae wrote...

Fact is a day 1 DLC and an important part of the story, that is not available for free to all PREORDERS, cannot be justified. Period. It. cannot. be. justified.

it can be, it wasn't free with any preorder....people paid extra....if they were like me they said 'other stuff meh, DLC squaddie and story, extra money worth it'

[Justicar]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Justicar wrote...

YogsCast will get a LOT of people to battle this.

This should be entertaining. You know a game is going to be successful when this much controversy is based on it. This is a huge milestone for BioWare.

KILLING CIVILIANS IN AN AIRPORT IS BAD BUSINESS.

*MW2 sales break world records*

Precisely, sir.

Controversy = Publicity.

And to quote Oscar Wilde, "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

[ironcreed2]

wicked_being wrote...

So uh...besides getting to play the game and finishing the story (without waiting for a price drop), what's the incentive of buying this game on day 1? Or buying this game new at all?

The incentive is that you get an online pass to access the multiplayer! Yay!

Modifié par ironcreed2, 22 février 2012 - 08:15 .

[Draconis6666]

Mclouvins wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AngryAngryBees wrote...

Oh jeez. I used to think of myself as a Bioware fan until I visited these forums. The amount of rabid fanboyism is just staggering. It's totally okay to support a developer that makes games that you enjoy, but when something negative happens, it's important to call it out, otherwise we end up with a power mad developer that thinks they can walk all over its customers and forum moderators that are not only covering their ears and eyes to the backlash, but also end their posts with extremely unprofessional and childish catchphrases.

Refusing to release COMPLETED content with important stories is a pretty unethical thing to do. After two games of buildup about the Prothean species, showing the first Prothean and having him be in your party in Mass Effect 3 is a pretty important and interesting landmark. Holding a gun to the Prothean's head and asking for 20 MORE dollars after buying the game on the first day is undeniably unethical, considering the content is finished and is already shipped with the game.

Unless Bioware adds "From Ashes" to the game in a way that is similar to Zaeed's mission, I won't buy Mass Effect 3. It is important to not let these unethical business practices to slip buy casually.

So we assume it has to be cut content just because it's coming out on release date?

People really need to step down off the soapbox, this is a luxury product so nothing they do is really unethical. That's basically besides the point though. Even if we suppose that the $80 CE is the "complete" game there's nothing saying you can't sell a game for an $80 base price, other than the fact that it probably wouldn't sell well. You could very easily make a case for ME3 being wort 20 more dollars than many full price games. If they then offerd you a product that was somewhat diminished for 75% of the total's price it would be your perogative to purchase it or not to purchase it. That is what is important, all of the ontological claims about what they ought to do are frivilous. They provide what amounts to a luxury good and it is up to you to decide if that product is a good use of your money and/or to what extent.

This exactly.... starting this argument is not going to go the way people want it to. Assume you do manage to cause a massive controversy about the issue. What you will get instead of more free stuff, is Publishers will just start charging everyone $80 for the full game and if you dont want to spend $80 you dont get the game at all. Activision's CEO has already recomended raising the selling price on games over a year ago.

[mulder1199]

we are on bioware.com

.com as in commercial, business...this is good business....