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[JeffZero]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...Wut? No one gives a - about this content being made available for everyone. Heck, I applaud it because if I hate one thing this generation it's exclusive content, be it retailer exclusive pre-order items or console exclusive crap.

What people are complaining about, is that content that should've been in the main game, shouldn't cost €10,00 on release day. Yes, it has been cut from the main game, it's obvious because we've known about the Prothean since the CE was announced.

This has nothing to do with 'supporting the developers' but everything with 'supporting EA's greed'.

This. Well said.

You haven't replied to my response re: figurines yet, as far as I'm aware.

[mulder1199]

Justicar wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Justicar wrote...

YogsCast will get a LOT of people to battle this.

This should be entertaining. You know a game is going to be successful when this much controversy is based on it. This is a huge milestone for BioWare.

KILLING CIVILIANS IN AN AIRPORT IS BAD BUSINESS.

*MW2 sales break world records*

Precisely, sir.

Controversy = Publicity.

And to quote Oscar Wilde, "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

in this case, huge buzz about the game and dlc character less than 2 weeks before launch.....lots of publicitiy...

[Aspiriini]

Cobra5 wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

Because it means bigger and better mass effect games...?

Wait, what? No! It means that the big and good mass effect game was there and then a part of it was sliced off to be sold seperately.

[rumbalumba]

Cobra5 wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

Because it means bigger and better mass effect games...?

your head is so far up Bioware's ass.


day 1 DLC means bigger, better ME games? what the hell is that nonsense crap?


so you buy the game NEW at $60, and you don't get to have the full experience?

oh wait, so now you have to either shell out an additional $10-$20 more to ACTUALLY get the full experience.


ahhh....right. so basically instead of offering the full experience at $60 they're giving it to us at $70-$80.


BRILLIANT.

[JeffZero]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I am an ardent ME fan and I will still buy the CE...but even I find this idea bad business.

I support giving out to everyone who buys it new free; I didn't buy the CE for the Prothean.

Hear, hear.

[PlumPaul93]

JeffZero wrote...You haven't replied to my response re: figurines yet, as far as I'm aware.

You know what page it's on? Cause I must have missed it.

[mulder1199]

Forsythia wrote...

SidNitzerglobin wrote...

I don't get the whole attitude of getting pissed when in-game content is made available to everyone. I get CEs of games I'm excited about because I want to support the developers and so that I have more useless, game-related meatspace knick-knacks and art books to clutter my desks with, not because I want to feel superior to the unwashed masses who only bought the standard edition. Buying the CE/DDE means you don't have to pay for the day 1 DLC as well getting the special feeling of a unique box and discs and the other physical extras.

Wut? No one gives a - about this content being made available for everyone. Heck, I applaud it because if I hate one thing this generation it's exclusive content, be it retailer exclusive pre-order items or console exclusive crap.

What people are complaining about, is that content that should've been in the main game, shouldn't cost €10,00 on release day. Yes, it has been cut from the main game, it's obvious because we've known about the Prothean since the CE was announced.

This has nothing to do with 'supporting the developers' but everything with 'supporting EA's greed'.

i said it in a locked thread....anybody that's getting the CE paid for it, i think they're doing right by making sure it's available to everybody day 1...

[HiroVoid]

Cobra5 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Fact is a day 1 DLC and an important part of the story, that is not available for free to all PREORDERS, cannot be justified. Period. It. cannot. be. justified.

Actually I posted a justifying argument quite a few pages back, and no-one has decided to respond to it.

Basically they either start raising the prices of their games or stop making their games bigger.

The devs of FFXIII, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Witcher II, and of course, Skyrim didn't raise the price despite them being bigger games than most.

[PROdotes]

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...what I'm getting from this thread is. As long as they didn't release DLC (regardless of how/when it's developed) on Day 1...then everyone is okay with it?

no, as long as they don't develop DLC content at the same time they are developing the product, everyone is ok with that...
bad example but say a company builds a car, and when they are building it, they also make a radio for the car... but when the car is finished, they jank the radio out and tell people "yea... sorry... it costs extra"... why?

[rumbalumba]

ironcreed2 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

So uh...besides getting to play the game and finishing the story (without waiting for a price drop), what's the incentive of buying this game on day 1? Or buying this game new at all?

The incentive is that you get an online pass to access the multiplayer! Yay!

OMG LOL-worthy.

so basically the incentive of buying the game new is an online pass and a singleplayer with cut content.


OMG I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING.

[Wardka]

mulder1199 wrote...

we are on bioware.com

.com as in commercial, business...this is good business....

If it gets people upset enough that they won't buy the game, then it's obviously bad business. And there are a lot of upset people right now.

[ironcreed2]

rumbalumba wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

So uh...besides getting to play the game and finishing the story (without waiting for a price drop), what's the incentive of buying this game on day 1? Or buying this game new at all?

The incentive is that you get an online pass to access the multiplayer! Yay!

OMG LOL-worthy.

so basically the incentive of buying the game new is an online pass and a singleplayer with cut content.


OMG I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING.

It's called sarcasm for a reason, lol. Notice the smiley emoticon?

[Amikae]

mulder1199 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Fact is a day 1 DLC and an important part of the story, that is not available for free to all PREORDERS, cannot be justified. Period. It. cannot. be. justified.

it can be, it wasn't free with any preorder....people paid extra....if they were like me they said 'other stuff meh, DLC squaddie and story, extra money worth it'

I don't mind paying for DLC, but DLC's were supposed to replace Expansions and provide us with content AFTER the game was released. Day 1 DLC's, that aren't available to all preorders, are a joke.

[Solgineer]

Aspiriini wrote...

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

The term "Bioware drones" has existed for awhile, and you can see why it exists right now.

[Aspiriini]

rumbalumba wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

Because it means bigger and better mass effect games...?

your head is so far up Bioware's ass.


day 1 DLC means bigger, better ME games? what the hell is that nonsense crap?


so you buy the game NEW at $60, and you don't get to have the full experience?

oh wait, so now you have to either shell out an additional $10-$20 more to ACTUALLY get the full experience.


ahhh....right. so basically instead of offering the full experience at $60 they're giving it to us at $70-$80.


BRILLIANT.

The voice of sanity. There is no excuse to defend a day 1 DLC, since it's nothing but a product of greed.

inb4: someone defending day 1 DLC.

Solgineer wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

The term "Bioware drones" has existed for awhile, and you can see why it exists right now.

Yeah, im a superbig Mass Effect fan and 1&2 were my favorite games of all time, but this level of fanboyism is just.. something. Not even Dota/Hon/LoL fanboys is this horrible!

Modifié par Aspiriini, 22 février 2012 - 08:21 .

[m4tr1xh4ck3r]

Just dropped by to say I cancelled my preorder as of 5 minutes ago. I'm willing to give early adopter amounts of money and you repay me by wanting me to give you MORE money? And you wonder why people hate EA. But it's ok because we all know there are certain sites that will offer the DLC for free. As well as the game. And all future DLC.

I really am sorry for the art teams and coding teams because I know this is none of their fault and they were just doing their jobs. But my money will not be going to someone who is trying to extort extra money out of me just because they think they know me or my mentality as a gamer. Enjoy the ensuing ****storm.

[EmeraldJunkie]

Okay, lets imagine that we live in a some what perfect world, and all of the Yogscasts 1,500,000 subscribers are not children, but are reasonable people, and lets say, 75%, decided to boycott the game.
Thats 1,125,000 people.
And lets imagine the copies they were going to buy were $60.
Okay, thats $65,500,000 worth of revenue, gone.
Doubt that this will happen, but a figure like that would make the guys at EA die inside and cry alot.

[Cobra5]

burr beer wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Fact is a day 1 DLC and an important part of the story, that is not available for free to all PREORDERS, cannot be justified. Period. It. cannot. be. justified.

Actually I posted a justifying argument quite a few pages back, and no-one has decided to respond to it.

Basically they either start raising the prices of their games or stop making their games bigger.

Your argument means nothing when you have no data of sales figures, the budget for this game, and the funding they recieved from EA, Microsoft and their other marketing partners other than "this game is big, so they probably have to price it more to make up for this big cost" 

Of course I don't have the numbers, which is why I posted ancillery evidence to illustrate that point. For example we don't need to know the sales figures of ME1 and ME2 and etc to know that ME2 had a bigger budget, and that ME3 has again a bigger budget. We also don't need to know any numbers to see that Activision charges $70 for Call of Duty, Blizzard charges $70 for their games... etc. We also don't need to know ME3's budget to know that, overall, budgets are increasing.

Besides it comes down to: Mass Effect 3 is a bigger game then previous ones. Even if Microsoft, or whoever, makes investments on it, they need to see a return on that investment.

Could they stay at $60? Sure, but it wouldn't equal the same rate of growth- and I said that exactly, this is the stance of, for example, the Witcher series, which runs on a much smaller budget.

My point is that, they want to increase the budget of their games, and to do so, they must charge more. This is not un-ethical, I will pay mroe for bigger games, and if you don't agree then don't buy the DLC.

[Hunter of Legends]

JeffZero wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I am an ardent ME fan and I will still buy the CE...but even I find this idea bad business.

I support giving out to everyone who buys it new free; I didn't buy the CE for the Prothean.

Hear, hear.

Repeating so people will see even ardent "BioDrones" think this is a bad idea.

I want more people to enjoy this great series...not less.

[Draconis6666]

HiroVoid wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Fact is a day 1 DLC and an important part of the story, that is not available for free to all PREORDERS, cannot be justified. Period. It. cannot. be. justified.

Actually I posted a justifying argument quite a few pages back, and no-one has decided to respond to it.

Basically they either start raising the prices of their games or stop making their games bigger.

The devs of FFXIII, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Witcher II, and of course, Skyrim didn't raise the price despite them being bigger games than most.

Good because FFXIII wasnt worth what we paid for it in the first place.

[KBomb]

Cobra5 wrote...


So if they just raised the game's price to $70 to cover the bigger budget ME3 had then the previous games, would you still be upset by it?

 
There is an ethical difference in stating: “Look, consumers. This game has a lot of content. More than any of the previous game. We're sorry, but we have to raise the price in order to give you the massive content available. That way everyone has the same amount of content and the same gaming experience.” and stating “Here is some DLC! Yes, we were going to put him in the game already, but decided that it's better to cut his content and sell it separately. If you don't have a lot of money—looking at you college students—or you haven't access to internet or whatever, sorry. I am sure you understand that we have to have Day One DLC.” If you can't see the ethical difference in the two things, then we really don't have anything to discuss further, it would only be useless rhetoric.


As I have stated before, to some people it isn't about the money. It's the principal of it. Dirty. Pool.

[RiouHotaru]

PROdotes wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...what I'm getting from this thread is. As long as they didn't release DLC (regardless of how/when it's developed) on Day 1...then everyone is okay with it?

no, as long as they don't develop DLC content at the same time they are developing the product, everyone is ok with that...
bad example but say a company builds a car, and when they are building it, they also make a radio for the car... but when the car is finished, they jank the radio out and tell people "yea... sorry... it costs extra"... why?

But it's bonus content.  The whole POINT of DLC is bonus content.  Why can't it be developed alongside the final product?  Why does it matter when it's developed?  If they intend to make the content, what you're saying (and what everyone is saying) is that the timing of it's development is somehow important.  But the content is the same regardless of timing.

Your analogy is also incorrect.  It would easier to say that they make a car with a radio, and alongside with the car, the develop a CD-player that fits into the car stereo.  But they don't include it with the car.  When they sell you the car, they offer the CD-player as an extra.

[Cobra5]

Aspiriini wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

How can any gamer actually defend a day 1 DLC? What the hell guys?

Because it means bigger and better mass effect games...?

your head is so far up Bioware's ass.


day 1 DLC means bigger, better ME games? what the hell is that nonsense crap?


so you buy the game NEW at $60, and you don't get to have the full experience?

oh wait, so now you have to either shell out an additional $10-$20 more to ACTUALLY get the full experience.


ahhh....right. so basically instead of offering the full experience at $60 they're giving it to us at $70-$80.


BRILLIANT.

The voice of sanity. There is no excuse to defend a day 1 DLC, since it's nothing but a product of greed.

inb4: someone defending day 1 DLC.

Augh everyone just keeps repeating themselves and not actually responding to anything 

I see why people make fun of internet arguments now.

I repeat my point then: If they had just raised the price to $70 would you still be angry?


Edit: Also, please justify how a game selling at $70 COULD NOT mean that future games will have a bigger budget...? Especially considering how many franchises have gone that route.

Modifié par Cobra5, 22 février 2012 - 08:22 .

[godhand13]

Cant believe bioware

Modifié par godhand13, 22 février 2012 - 08:23 .