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[Draconis6666]

PROdotes wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

PROdotes wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...what I'm getting from this thread is. As long as they didn't release DLC (regardless of how/when it's developed) on Day 1...then everyone is okay with it?

no, as long as they don't develop DLC content at the same time they are developing the product, everyone is ok with that...
bad example but say a company builds a car, and when they are building it, they also make a radio for the car... but when the car is finished, they jank the radio out and tell people "yea... sorry... it costs extra"... why?

But it's bonus content.  The whole POINT of DLC is bonus content.  Why can't it be developed alongside the final product?  Why does it matter when it's developed?  If they intend to make the content, what you're saying (and what everyone is saying) is that the timing of it's development is somehow important.  But the content is the same regardless of timing.

Your analogy is also incorrect.  It would easier to say that they make a car with a radio, and alongside with the car, the develop a CD-player that fits into the car stereo.  But they don't include it with the car.  When they sell you the car, they offer the CD-player as an extra.

again i have to fall back to skyrim... every guild quest line in there, as well as 80% of the dungeons are bonus content... but if they released the game and charged you for the dungeons, no one would buy the game... if they release an extra region with 10 new dungeons and some loot a month or 2 after the game... that they worked on after releasing tho... then it's ok...
they are cutting out extra content, yes... but it's extra content that was developed alongside the original content with the resources of the original content... but charging it extra...

Thats not accurate at all, that content was developed at the same time as the rest of the game by the same people, just because its not the primary plot line does not make it bonus content. That content was always intended to be a part of the game from the beginning. Again no one here has any proof that the prothean DLC was even completed at the time the final build of the game was sent to be put on discs (which was weeks ago) all you know is that it will be completed at the time the game is actualy available for sale.

[wolfsite]

Alicia Keys wrote...

Does the day 1 DLC come with the collector's edition?

Also what is the DLC about anyways? Thanks

I'm wondering because I bought the collector's edition?

Ya it was originally collector's Edition exclusive.  You get a squaf mate and one or two side missions like Zaeed and Kasumi from Me2.

[Marionetten]

Cobra5 wrote...

You are talking about the company that literally mastheaded DLC.

Do you remember horse armor?

They, unlike BioWare, learned from their mistakes.

[Elios]

mulder1199 wrote...

Aver88 wrote...

I would love to be able Complete Editions of games on launch. Edition that will include all future DLCs for free.I just want to know how much it will cost me to have a full game before I buy it .

say it's $100ish....which will probably be what ME3 would cost total for DLC and weapons appearance packs....too much?

or you are good with whatever as long as you know upfront?

huh i like this idea
100 bucks for the game + any DLC that may come out im totaly ok with bring it on

[PlumPaul93]

Marionetten wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

You are talking about the company that literally mastheaded DLC.

Do you remember horse armor?

They, unlike BioWare, learned from their mistakes.

This.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 22 février 2012 - 08:37 .

[burr beer]

wolfsite wrote...

Alicia Keys wrote...

Does the day 1 DLC come with the collector's edition?

Also what is the DLC about anyways? Thanks

I'm wondering because I bought the collector's edition?

Ya it was originally collector's Edition exclusive.  You get a squaf mate and one or two side missions like Zaeed and Kasumi from Me2.

It was never a collector's edition exclusive, and you will not find any official pages or statements from Bioware to back your claim up.  I have been following this piece of DLC since it was revealed last summer.

[Ziggeh]

Eh. Honestly, it's their product and they can do pretty much what they want. Buying is always a choice. Obviously I'm not keen on the added cost and think it's kind of a dick move, but it's something that I want and that tends to be the reason I pay for things in the first place. If they raised the price of the game I'd be almost as peeved, but still fork over the readies.

That said I do see two problems here.

Firstly it's a trend. Each time they push the boundries of what's considered acceptable a little further. Larger leaps causes a bit of a broo hah hah (but only when someone points it out in a video, before that it was only a minor issue, apparently), but mostly it's a slow process and I think most of the genuine concern (important distinction) is that we're well on the road to serious gouging.

Secondly it's quite clearly trading on Bioware's reputation. They've built up a large amount of good will by producing excellent games. There are only a handful of developers who are held in such high esteem, but I'm not sure how long you can hold onto that if you're being, well, kind of an ass to your customers.

[Mclouvins]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.

I've said this before, but it's the historical significance of the Protheans that is significant to the ME universe, not necessarily this one individual. What if he was just one of the security guards on Ilos, does that make him a vital figure to the development of the narrative?

[rumbalumba]

wolfsite wrote...

Wow.  Once again this content was originally exclusive to the Collector's Edition.  If they didn't release this as seperate DLC, standard Edition users would never experience it at all.

Now by that logic you would be arguing about it being so exclusive and to have them release it as DLC for people who only got the standard version.

They are giving you an option on supplemental DLC that was originally just going to be part of the Collector's Edition.  It isn't critical to the main plot of ME3 and only offers some side missions and a new squad member (Like Kasumi in Stolen Memories or Liara in LOTB... only here the character stays with you after the DLC is done.)

It's optional and I have seen no proof that this DLC character has any significant impact to the Final release product and considering Day 1 DLC has been around for some time and people continue to buy it from several different companies it's going to be here for some time.

It's an option, not an entitlement.

or, you know, it was originally part of the game but they cut it and made it exclusive to CE, and then they thought "oh hey you know what, let's just make it a day 1 DLC for $10".

[Il Divo]

HOUSE MDD wrote...

This may have been bought up but why was i able to purchase the From Ashes DLC ( prothean squad member ) today so early before release? Thanks.

Here's my question: is it still possible to pre-purchase the Prothean dlc on Xbox Live? If so, I'm good with this.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 février 2012 - 08:39 .

[bobberts]

blimey bioware 1 need anew thread its impossible to track the arguments.
my points are similar to TBs)the video going around that people are obviousley not watching all the way through then having a go at it, they are his opinions and he has the will to bocott if nessecary he has done it before.
but anyway i feel if it is a kasumi type character just one story and some filler stuff then fine ,but if it is indeed what $10 content which is quite alot for csome lines of diologue and is indeed adds backstory to the whole of mass effect as he is prothean quite a mjor race in the sceme of things then it should be a day 1 puchase benefit for any version .
if he is just a character that appears in the story as recruitable as say part of a prothean colony that is in the full game anyway(just assume they are) then im fine with that aslong as the dlc is not some major plot point ect.
and to those who say why assume its cut content well take the final dlc for 2 which is a few extra areas and not much else if that was in development from the time of publish then thats not alot of work for the timeframe so how an a new character with diologue ect take a short amount of time from being gold to release. if bioware came out saying it doesnt effect the main story like kasumi or zaeed for that matter then i think no one would really think of boycott.
the major uproar seems to be the implied major nature of a prothean partner , if he was human ,krogan ,salarian,or rachni or any race already seen in me 1 or 2 i dont think it would matter but is the implications on the story that a prothean might bring.

p.s. sorry for the wall of text

p.p.s. i know my spelling is bad apologies again fast typing does that to me

Modifié par bobberts, 22 février 2012 - 08:39 .

[schnydz]

wolfsite wrote...

It's optional and I have seen no proof that this DLC character has any significant impact to the Final release product ...

And I have seen no proof that it is not significant. It goes both ways. In fact, since the DLC is based on a Prothean character which goes to the core of the ME story. How can you argue that it isn't significant? Shepard is special because of that prothean link.

[ckriley]

I am not upset about any of this because it is a video game and I have a life. I swear gamers do more every single day to reinforce the basement-dwelling, never get sex again stereotype that the mainstream has of us. It's embarrassing.

[wolfsite]

burr beer wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Alicia Keys wrote...

Does the day 1 DLC come with the collector's edition?

Also what is the DLC about anyways? Thanks

I'm wondering because I bought the collector's edition?

Ya it was originally collector's Edition exclusive.  You get a squaf mate and one or two side missions like Zaeed and Kasumi from Me2.

It was never a collector's edition exclusive, and you will not find any official pages or statements from Bioware to back your claim up.  I have been following this piece of DLC since it was revealed last summer.

Ya aside from the Actual official website... ya no proof at all.

[PROdotes]

Draconis6666 wrote...

PROdotes wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

PROdotes wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So...what I'm getting from this thread is. As long as they didn't release DLC (regardless of how/when it's developed) on Day 1...then everyone is okay with it?

no, as long as they don't develop DLC content at the same time they are developing the product, everyone is ok with that...
bad example but say a company builds a car, and when they are building it, they also make a radio for the car... but when the car is finished, they jank the radio out and tell people "yea... sorry... it costs extra"... why?

But it's bonus content.  The whole POINT of DLC is bonus content.  Why can't it be developed alongside the final product?  Why does it matter when it's developed?  If they intend to make the content, what you're saying (and what everyone is saying) is that the timing of it's development is somehow important.  But the content is the same regardless of timing.

Your analogy is also incorrect.  It would easier to say that they make a car with a radio, and alongside with the car, the develop a CD-player that fits into the car stereo.  But they don't include it with the car.  When they sell you the car, they offer the CD-player as an extra.

again i have to fall back to skyrim... every guild quest line in there, as well as 80% of the dungeons are bonus content... but if they released the game and charged you for the dungeons, no one would buy the game... if they release an extra region with 10 new dungeons and some loot a month or 2 after the game... that they worked on after releasing tho... then it's ok...
they are cutting out extra content, yes... but it's extra content that was developed alongside the original content with the resources of the original content... but charging it extra...

Thats not accurate at all, that content was developed at the same time as the rest of the game by the same people, just because its not the primary plot line does not make it bonus content. That content was always intended to be a part of the game from the beginning. Again no one here has any proof that the prothean DLC was even completed at the time the final build of the game was sent to be put on discs (which was weeks ago) all you know is that it will be completed at the time the game is actualy available for sale.

you know how long it takes to do the script, voice acting, animations, new maps (if there's missions and people say there are), etc...
and you want me to believe that they can do all that in the 2-8 weeks from gold to release?
If so, they should be pumping out DLCs every month once the game is out! 

[obie191970]

burr beer wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Alicia Keys wrote...

Does the day 1 DLC come with the collector's edition?

Also what is the DLC about anyways? Thanks

I'm wondering because I bought the collector's edition?

Ya it was originally collector's Edition exclusive.  You get a squaf mate and one or two side missions like Zaeed and Kasumi from Me2.

It was never a collector's edition exclusive, and you will not find any official pages or statements from Bioware to back your claim up.  I have been following this piece of DLC since it was revealed last summer.

They never said it was exclusive, but they did say that the CE would include an extra squad member and missions.

[Draconis6666]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I am an ardent ME fan and I will still buy the CE...but even I find this idea bad business.

I support giving out to everyone who buys it new free; I didn't buy the CE for the Prothean.

Hear, hear.

Repeating so people will see even ardent "BioDrones" think this is a bad idea.

I want more people to enjoy this great series...not less.

We all do, but unethical business pracitces push us away from doing business. Truly regrettable.

I assume you will never buy a car then, since you have to pay extra for options that were clearly completed at the same time as the car. 

These features are not neccesary features. Power windows and AC/heat are optional and not needed to drive the car. Missing a key character in the narrative IS.

But yes I will not buy a car if it is missing things like wheels, tires, transmission...etc.

 Do you have proof he is a "Key" character to the narrative?  unless you have the game and the DLC and have played it already  you dont have a clue so that argument is completely pointless. You dont boycott things based on speculation and conjecture with no proof it just makes you look foolish.

It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.

You mean the leaked script that has been significantly altered and outright changed?  Protheans are no more key to mass effect lore than humans are,  you wont learn anything significantly new from the prothean squad mate about the actual plot of the game (which is the reapers not the protheans) than you did from Vigil or the Beacons.

Even if ignoring it is horrible writing that still doesnt mean they didnt do exactly that, you dont know so your entire argument is based on conjecture and has no actual proof to back up its claims.

[Static Jak]

They went from enticing you to buy new with "free DLC" in ME2 to making everyone, no matter if you buy new, used or whatever, $10 on top of the full price to have the full experience and story on release day.
It's just not on and I have no doubt the announcement of this was held back as long as possible because they knew how people would react because they know how bad this is.
I'm seriously consider getting my money back on my pre-order. I feel like a line has to be drawn at some point. And if not now, with this going on, then when? This is the tipping point for me.

[burr beer]

wolfsite wrote...

burr beer wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Alicia Keys wrote...

Does the day 1 DLC come with the collector's edition?

Also what is the DLC about anyways? Thanks

I'm wondering because I bought the collector's edition?

Ya it was originally collector's Edition exclusive.  You get a squaf mate and one or two side missions like Zaeed and Kasumi from Me2.

It was never a collector's edition exclusive, and you will not find any official pages or statements from Bioware to back your claim up.  I have been following this piece of DLC since it was revealed last summer.

Ya aside from the Actual official website... ya no proof at all.

Show me where on the official website it says "exclusive squadmate and mission" then!

Oh wait, it doesn't and it never has.

Modifié par burr beer, 22 février 2012 - 08:40 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I am an ardent ME fan and I will still buy the CE...but even I find this idea bad business.

I support giving out to everyone who buys it new free; I didn't buy the CE for the Prothean.

Hear, hear.

Repeating so people will see even ardent "BioDrones" think this is a bad idea.

I want more people to enjoy this great series...not less.

We all do, but unethical business pracitces push us away from doing business. Truly regrettable.

I assume you will never buy a car then, since you have to pay extra for options that were clearly completed at the same time as the car. 

These features are not neccesary features. Power windows and AC/heat are optional and not needed to drive the car. Missing a key character in the narrative IS.

But yes I will not buy a car if it is missing things like wheels, tires, transmission...etc.

 Do you have proof he is a "Key" character to the narrative?  unless you have the game and the DLC and have played it already  you dont have a clue so that argument is completely pointless. You dont boycott things based on speculation and conjecture with no proof it just makes you look foolish.

It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.

[EmeraldJunkie]

I think a thread thats JUST for people who want to boycott would be alot better than this jumbled heap of hate.
Sadly, thats impossible because they all get locked.

[mulder1199]

Alicia Keys wrote...

Does the day 1 DLC come with the collector's edition?

Also what is the DLC about anyways? Thanks

I'm wondering because I bought the collector's edition?

it does, hence some people's stance that bioware is doing a good thing by making sure everybody has access to it day one...

it's why i got the CE, myself.....

[Wulfram]

Marionetten wrote...

They, unlike BioWare, learned from their mistakes.

In fairness, they at least seem to have got the message that the in game DLC shill character in DA:O was going too far.

[JeffZero]

Draconis6666 wrote...

You mean the leaked script that has been significantly altered and outright changed?

Where are people getting this from, apart from a throwaway statement from the bigwigs? Everything we've seen in advertising thus far fits the leaks like a glove.

[Draconis6666]

PROdotes wrote...


you know how long it takes to do the script, voice acting, animations, new maps (if there's missions and people say there are), etc...
and you want me to believe that they can do all that in the 2-8 weeks from gold to release?
If so, they should be pumping out DLCs every month once the game is out! 

Not what I said, I didn't say it wasnt developed alongside the main game, I said it is no proof that it was completed at the time the final build was sent to be put on discs. It could have been 80% completed or 90% completed. Thats still not complete enough for it to have gone on the disc with the main game.