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[dangermouseuk78]

Mclouvins wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.

I've said this before, but it's the historical significance of the Protheans that is significant to the ME universe, not necessarily this one individual. What if he was just one of the security guards on Ilos, does that make him a vital figure to the development of the narrative?

I think many wouldnt of been bothered if it was just any old character added but the fact that Its a Prothean and how they are a Major part of the story is a Valid issue.

[nitefyre410]

Draconis6666 wrote...




 Do you have proof he is a "Key" character to the narrative?  unless you have the game and the DLC and have played it already  you dont have a clue so that argument is completely pointless. You dont boycott things based on speculation and conjecture with no proof it just makes you look foolish.

 

You are right about that - there is no proof but then I bring the question.

Why is a character that is the last survivor of the race your entire  mythos is built on side lined to a DLC  character in the last  game when you have a  fan/reporter self insert taking up a spot. 

So yes you are  correct  one should not boycott off of speculation but one has to question...

Just  what hell are they  thinking?   I'm not boycotting but I'm asking myself... that very question

Modifié par nitefyre410, 22 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[G3rman]

No one seemed to complain CE would get this DLC, now that its actually being sold to the masses everyone seems to be blowing up.

[ironcreed2]

wolfsite wrote...

Wow.  Once again this content was originally exclusive to the Collector's Edition.  If they didn't release this as seperate DLC, standard Edition users would never experience it at all.

Now by that logic you would be arguing about it being so exclusive and to have them release it as DLC for people who only got the standard version.

They are giving you an option on supplemental DLC that was originally just going to be part of the Collector's Edition.  It isn't critical to the main plot of ME3 and only offers some side missions and a new squad member (Like Kasumi in Stolen Memories or Liara in LOTB... only here the character stays with you after the DLC is done.)

It's optional and I have seen no proof that this DLC character has any significant impact to the Final release product and considering Day 1 DLC has been around for some time and people continue to buy it from several different companies it's going to be here for some time.

It's an option, not an entitlement.

It is the fact that this was developed along with the game itself, but is being sold separately that is the issue. Not to mention that he just so happens to be a part of the race that has been extremely important lore-wise from the get-go. A Prothean squadmate is not some random character like Kasumi.

The bottom line is that this should have just been a part of the game to begin with, not a bonus for those paying more, or as a day one add-on for those getting the regular version. The content was developed with the rest of the game, therefore, should be part of the game.

[Draconis6666]

JeffZero wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

You mean the leaked script that has been significantly altered and outright changed?

Where are people getting this from, apart from a throwaway statement from the bigwigs? Everything we've seen in advertising thus far fits the leaks like a glove.

You've seen plot in advertising? you must have been watchign different advertising

[Hunter of Legends]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I am an ardent ME fan and I will still buy the CE...but even I find this idea bad business.

I support giving out to everyone who buys it new free; I didn't buy the CE for the Prothean.

Hear, hear.

Repeating so people will see even ardent "BioDrones" think this is a bad idea.

I want more people to enjoy this great series...not less.

We all do, but unethical business pracitces push us away from doing business. Truly regrettable.

I assume you will never buy a car then, since you have to pay extra for options that were clearly completed at the same time as the car. 

These features are not neccesary features. Power windows and AC/heat are optional and not needed to drive the car. Missing a key character in the narrative IS.

But yes I will not buy a car if it is missing things like wheels, tires, transmission...etc.

 Do you have proof he is a "Key" character to the narrative?  unless you have the game and the DLC and have played it already  you dont have a clue so that argument is completely pointless. You dont boycott things based on speculation and conjecture with no proof it just makes you look foolish.

It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.

You mean the leaked script that has been significantly altered and outright changed?  Protheans are no more key to mass effect lore than humans are,  you wont learn anything significantly new from the prothean squad mate about the actual plot of the game (which is the reapers not the protheans) than you did from Vigil or the Beacons.

Even if ignoring it is horrible writing that still doesnt mean they didnt do exactly that, you dont know so your entire argument is based on conjecture and has no actual proof to back up its claims.

Other than logic and basic reasoning.

If we don't do something about it and it is true it will be to late.

[eye basher]

The Protheans are a key race why is not like they beat the reapers oh wait no they got there ass kicked by them how is learning how many folk songs they new or if they played with barbies gonna help stop the reapers?

[Saints_]

The fact the Prothean is DLC makes it a non essential part of the game. If you're going to put it in the game, give it a big part. Also put it in the game for everyone, no additional charge.

[El Ejcovero]

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Bad example, car business, oil business and especially used car business, worst scams on the planet. We should boycott them to now that we are at it... 

But are you? 


No instead your boycotting a game that is doing nothing that hasnt already been a widely accepted business practice in other industries for decades. Anyone who boycotts ME 3 and has ever bought a Car is automaticaly a Hypocrite

Don't worry, paying for the Arabian prince's gold and diamond plated car, for the Venezuelan drug cartel's expenses and for extremist Islamic terrorism with excessive oil money will one day wake people up, if not, economic collapse will cut their funding...
Now, someone starts a boycott that has a good chance to make a difference, like this one, I will join in. The only reason we do this is because we care about BioWare.

Modifié par El Ejcovero, 22 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[JeffZero]

G3rman wrote...

No one seemed to complain CE would get this DLC, now that its actually being sold to the masses everyone seems to be blowing up.

I'm not exactly sure how it transpired, but it seems like at least some folks had managed to convince themselves that the CE getting it and the 'bonus mission and character' and 'additional mission and character' reports tied into the original ads somehow didn't necessarily mean that others wouldn't receive it for free with preorders as well.

That said, I do take as much issue with the concept as the next guy. But I'm quite confused as to how people are only just now getting angry at the idea that the CE owners would be the only ones getting it for 'free' at launch since I thought that was incredibly obvious from last year on.

[Bad King]

Marionetten wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

You are talking about the company that literally mastheaded DLC.

Do you remember horse armor?

They, unlike BioWare, learned from their mistakes.

This is true. For a start, Bethesda are focussing on putting out free DLC packs for Skyrim in future (they have already released a texture pack for the PC). And for the DLC that won't be free, they have announced that it's going to be more expansion-pack like in size rather than in smaller parts.

Also it is important to note that Bethesda have not once put out day 1 DLC.

[godhand13]

Mclouvins wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.

I've said this before, but it's the historical significance of the Protheans that is significant to the ME universe, not necessarily this one individual. What if he was just one of the security guards on Ilos, does that make him a vital figure to the development of the narrative?

Yes it makes him the last FREAKING PROTHEAN ALIVE!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT HE IS?!?! EVEN IF HE IS CONSIDERED RETARDED IN HIS RACE/TIME

[Draconis6666]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...




 Do you have proof he is a "Key" character to the narrative?  unless you have the game and the DLC and have played it already  you dont have a clue so that argument is completely pointless. You dont boycott things based on speculation and conjecture with no proof it just makes you look foolish.

 

You are right about that - there is no proof but then I bring the question.

Why is a character that is the last survivor of the race your entire  mythos is built on side lined to a DLC  character in the last  game when you have a  fan/reporter self insert taking up a spot. 

So yes you are  correct  one should not boycott off of speculation but one has to question...

Just  what hell are they  thinking?   I'm not boycotting but I'm asking myself... that very question

The entire mythos is not built around the Protheans thats half the point, All of the Prothean's technology was still just Reaper technology. The Reapers are the core of the mythos the Protheans just happened to be the last civilization they wiped out.

I'm not saying though that I dont agree that the potential is being wasted in the case that hes not a major part of the game but thats not enough reason to boycott a product.

[MEGoWH777]

[quote]Cthulhu42 wrote...

[quote]Hunter of Legends wrote...

[quote]Draconis6666 wrote...

[quote]Hunter of Legends wrote...

[quote]Draconis6666 wrote...

[quote]Hunter of Legends wrote...

[quote]Draconis6666 wrote...

[quote]El Ejcovero wrote...

[quote]Hunter of Legends wrote...

[quote]JeffZero wrote...

[quote]Hunter of Legends wrote...

I am an ardent ME fan and I will still buy the CE...but even I find this idea bad business.

I support giving out to everyone who buys it new free; I didn't buy the CE for the Prothean.[/quote]

Hear, hear.

[/quote]

Repeating so people will see even ardent "BioDrones" think this is a bad idea.

I want more people to enjoy this great series...not less.

[/quote]

We all do, but unethical business pracitces push us away from doing business. Truly regrettable.



[/quote]


I assume you will never buy a car then, since you have to pay extra for options that were clearly completed at the same time as the car. 

[/quote]

These features are not neccesary features. Power windows and AC/heat are optional and not needed to drive the car. Missing a key character in the narrative IS.

But yes I will not buy a car if it is missing things like wheels, tires, transmission...etc.

[/quote]


 Do you have proof he is a "Key" character to the narrative?  unless you have the game and the DLC and have played it already  you dont have a clue so that argument is completely pointless. You dont boycott things based on speculation and conjecture with no proof it just makes you look foolish.

[/quote]

It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.

[/quote]


You mean the leaked script that has been significantly altered and outright changed?  Protheans are no more key to mass effect lore than humans are,  you wont learn anything significantly new from the prothean squad mate about the actual plot of the game (which is the reapers not the protheans) than you did from Vigil or the Beacons.

Even if ignoring it is horrible writing that still doesnt mean they didnt do exactly that, you dont know so your entire argument is based on conjecture and has no actual proof to back up its claims.
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Other than logic and basic reasoning.

If we don't do something about it and it is true it will be to late.

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QUOTE PYRAMIDS!

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WORK HARDER SLAVE! *whip cracks*

[PROdotes]

Draconis6666 wrote...

PROdotes wrote...


you know how long it takes to do the script, voice acting, animations, new maps (if there's missions and people say there are), etc...
and you want me to believe that they can do all that in the 2-8 weeks from gold to release?
If so, they should be pumping out DLCs every month once the game is out! 

Not what I said, I didn't say it wasnt developed alongside the main game, I said it is no proof that it was completed at the time the final build was sent to be put on discs. It could have been 80% completed or 90% completed. Thats still not complete enough for it to have gone on the disc with the main game.

so... 10% of the completion of a DLC costs 10$, but the whole game is 60$... see the problem? 
If it's 90% complete... release it as a free bonus and you'll have people cheering how awesome the company is... release it as an overpriced bonus and you'll get people anrgy for cutting stuff from the game

[EmeraldJunkie]

JeffZero wrote...

G3rman wrote...

No one seemed to complain CE would get this DLC, now that its actually being sold to the masses everyone seems to be blowing up.

I'm not exactly sure how it transpired, but it seems like at least some folks had managed to convince themselves that the CE getting it and the 'bonus mission and character' and 'additional mission and character' reports tied into the original ads somehow didn't necessarily mean that others wouldn't receive it for free with preorders as well.

That said, I do take as much issue with the concept as the next guy. But I'm quite confused as to how people are only just now getting angry at the idea that the CE owners would be the only ones getting it for 'free' at launch since I thought that was incredibly obvious from last year on.

Its the fact that the character is a Prothean thats ticked people off, mostly.
Considering hes a prothean, it does seem like he'd be very important.

[InvisibleJim]

Bad move, but entirely expected, bioware/ea.

[DJBare]

Can you guys stop with the f@£king pyramid building, this thread is bad enough with the speed as it is!


I'm going to repeat what others have said, if you are someone like us who have pre-ordered the CE, then support the prothean DLC be given free to those who pre-ordered the SE.

Modifié par DJBare, 22 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[Gittun]

Wow, just, WOW. What were you thinking?

As has probably been mentioned dozens of times, the Protheans are a major part of mass effect lore. It does not matter how much dialog etc this character has, the pure fact that he exists is just... Massive. To put a character like this in a paid dlc (day 1 no less!) is frankly absurd. The fact that so many of you are defending this decision with such gusto, even more so...

I am a big bioware fan, I own almost all their games, and have enjoyed the hell out of them. I am not some random internet troll that decided to jump on this bandwagon, I am a fan of this company's work, but I also have the (apparently rare) ability to look at this in an objective way and see how money grubbing and idiotic this is.

I have pretty much never actively boycotted anything in my life, mostly because I'm weak and just want the game/book/device/whatever. I'm also a pretty big cheapass (don't have a massive income), and I managed to find the CE for ME3 for quite cheap, won't be able to find a deal like this again.

So, cancelling my preorder would go against some of my major character traits, yet I'm still thinking about doing it purely for the principle of it. This day 1 dlc money grabbing nonsense has gone on long enough.

Please rethink this EA/Bioware.

[mulder1199]

G3rman wrote...

No one seemed to complain CE would get this DLC, now that its actually being sold to the masses everyone seems to be blowing up.

they're in a spot either way....this way they make more moeny plain and simple....

if they made it available for free the CE folks say, what did i pay more for....if it's not available day 1 people are crying because they don't have access to the 'full experience'

[eye basher]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

godhand13 wrote...

This is like buying a car that doesn't have a steering wheel...you don't technically need it, but it makes a noticeable difference if you have it,

Except you do, actually, need a stearing wheel.

Its like buying a car without the leather seats, or the upgraded sound system, or whatever- you know, the way people actually DO buy cars.

Bad example, car business, oil business and especially used car business, worst scams on the planet. We should boycott them to now that we are at it... 

But are you? 


No instead your boycotting a game that is doing nothing that hasnt already been a widely accepted business practice in other industries for decades. Anyone who boycotts ME 3 and has ever bought a Car is automaticaly a Hypocrite

Don't worry, paying for the Arabian prince's gold and diamond plated car, the Venezuelan drug cartel's expenses and for extremist Islam terrorism with excessive oil money will one day wake people up, if not, economic collapse will cut their funding...
Now, someone starts a boycott that has a good chance to make a difference, like this one, I will join in. The only reason we do this is because we care about BioWare.

Oh please this has about as many chances as the L4D2 boycott did. There's more chance of hell getting frozen over that of this working.

[JeffZero]

Draconis6666 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

You mean the leaked script that has been significantly altered and outright changed?

Where are people getting this from, apart from a throwaway statement from the bigwigs? Everything we've seen in advertising thus far fits the leaks like a glove.

You've seen plot in advertising? you must have been watchign different advertising

Hah, point almost taken.

I'm talking about location unveilings, dialogue examples from various trailers, general dialogue and plot progression in both portions of the single-player demo. So on and so forth. Also, data-mining of the demo. The plot is definitely following the original leaks' claims to a tee.

[Draconis6666]

PROdotes wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

PROdotes wrote...


you know how long it takes to do the script, voice acting, animations, new maps (if there's missions and people say there are), etc...
and you want me to believe that they can do all that in the 2-8 weeks from gold to release?
If so, they should be pumping out DLCs every month once the game is out! 

Not what I said, I didn't say it wasnt developed alongside the main game, I said it is no proof that it was completed at the time the final build was sent to be put on discs. It could have been 80% completed or 90% completed. Thats still not complete enough for it to have gone on the disc with the main game.

so... 10% of the completion of a DLC costs 10$, but the whole game is 60$... see the problem? 
If it's 90% complete... release it as a free bonus and you'll have people cheering how awesome the company is... release it as an overpriced bonus and you'll get people anrgy for cutting stuff from the game

Or just dont release it at all which is more likely what would happen

[AxisEvolve]

DJBare wrote...
I'm going to repeat what others have said, if you are someone like us who have pre-ordered the CE, then support the prothean DLC be given free to those who pre-ordered the SE.

I ordered the Collector's Edition and I agree with this.