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dangermouseuk78

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Mclouvins wrote...

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Mclouvins wrote...

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It's called leaked script and basic logic.

He is a prothean, a key race in Mass Effect lore. Ignoring this would be the most horrible writing I've seen a narrative do.


I've said this before, but it's the historical significance of the Protheans that is significant to the ME universe, not necessarily this one individual. What if he was just one of the security guards on Ilos, does that make him a vital figure to the development of the narrative?


Yes it makes him the last FREAKING PROTHEAN ALIVE!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT HE IS?!?! EVEN IF HE IS CONSIDERED RETARDED IN HIS RACE/TIME


Despite your need for caps I do in fact understand the significance of a Prothean, however it is one individual, less than Vigil said remained on Ilos which was too small to sustain a viable population so when he dies the Protheans once again return to oblivion. The fact that he exists is no doubt cool for lore reaons but that does not necessarily make him important to the narrative unless he has the key to defeating the reapers, which it seems, based on what information is available that he does not. What he seems to be is a vessel for expanding the Prothean lore from a position informed by their history, just as Mordin was used to expand the genophage lore from the position of an STG member.


I think most believe they gave the reapers a run for the money before being wiped out and that they were working on something to defeat them and a Prothean survivor would very helpful in this regard.

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DJBare wrote...

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DJBare wrote...
I'm going to repeat what others have said, if you are someone like us who have pre-ordered the CE, then support the prothean DLC be given free to those who pre-ordered the SE.

I ordered the Collector's Edition and I agree with this.

that's why i ordered the CE, to get the character...so not on board....

I purchased it for the art book and N7 patch, not for a character that is an intergral part of lore to be treated as an add on character like Zaeed.


tbh....as the departed gmag would say.....i don't care one way or the other.....i do like the patch that's coming with the CE as well, but i got it for the DLC character....some (mostly folks that didn't get the CE) are outraged that they must pay for the character.....ea/bioware is gambling that despite the grumbling, they will do just that.....it's a common business practice, so i'm not suprised...

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Draconis6666 wrote...

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so... 10% of the completion of a DLC costs 10$, but the whole game is 60$... see the problem? :)
If it's 90% complete... release it as a free bonus and you'll have people cheering how awesome the company is... release it as an overpriced bonus and you'll get people anrgy for cutting stuff from the game :)


Or just dont release it at all which is more likely what would happen


why not release something that's 90% done... that's bad management... since it would mean that they've used up resources on something and didn't put it in the game.
Yes, it happens in every game... but when you have something that's almost done, you usualy finish it, unless it's complete rubbish :)
I see absolutely no excuse for bioware/ea to do this, except for greed...



Used to happen all the time in the days before DLC. Everyone screams about how terrible DLC is but ignores the fact that before DLC existed huge amounts of content simply got cut at the last minute to meet deadlines and were never seen at all except possibly later through the reconstruction efforts of modders.


see... that's why we have the internetz today... let's say that they had 10% of the content they wanted in that's unfinished... not just 1 character... then they say "soon after the release, we'll put out one big DLC for 10$ that will include a lot of extra stuff"... and again, i'm fine with that...
but this is a DLC that's already finished, since it leaked already... it's not "huge"... but the price is... and it wil not take a month to develop... so there's no reason to charge 10 $ for it, except to exploit the fans...
and unless bioware comes out with a VERY good excuse as to why a day 1 dlc, that clearly wasn't deweloped in the last month while the game already had gold status, I have no choice but to assume that it's a ripoff...

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Mclouvins wrote...

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I am so irritated Bioware. You've lost all of my faith and I'm really let down by your appauling business practice.

I have cancelled my pre-order and am going to obtain your game by other means. I don't give a **** about the multiplayer, I can do without it


So you're basically saying my principles won't let me by this game but I'm going to pirate it, that is some ironclad logic right there.

The point of boycotting any product or service is to actively deny yourself it to make a point, that is just weak sauce.


Indeed, it's going to obscure the message with the method. If you're going to boycott, actually boycott the product.

I'm not going to get into the whole piracy = stealing fallacy though, that's a can of worms I'd rather not open here.

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I agree that anyone who buys a new copy of the game, regardless of the letters following it, should have this character. Since the art book is readily available now, we know who the players are and what they look like. There isn't another Prothean hanging around. This one is it. He does play a role in the story and not a Kasumi/Zaeed role either.

If you're getting the game used, then sure, poney up for him as DLC. If you bought it new, he should be included. Just my opinion.

e: my CE is bought and paid for, just to be open about my motivation - which is fairness to all buyers. DLC characters integral to the plot shouldn't be exclusive to CE or SE, IMO. Armor, robo dog, guns, yeah, sure give those bonuses out to the folks who fork out extra for CE/SE, but not characters.

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 I want this game so bad, I just recently beat the second one in preperation pre-ordered and everything. Then I saw TB's video and this happened.

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in 300 years humanity becomes extinct...50,000 years later other races have evolved and studied us, they base most of their technology on us. ****, we are a subject of study in school, and are all around fascinating. Then suddenly, they find a human...alive...OMFG REALLY??!?!? Hes alive and breathing and real? What happened, how...omfg...what an amazing discovery.

Human: Well I was actually just a janitor back in my time
Whole Galaxy: Now you are a god

People saying that its no big deal...It's a Prothean, of course its a big deal to have him.

If they were like oh ok, $10 to add Jacob to the party id be like i dun give a ****, but a prothean?

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Absolutely disgusting and vile that this content is not free in ALL new copies of the game.

I will not be purchasing ME3.

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I do not support this decision to launch Day One DLC with potential story critical content. 

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Wow.  Once again this content was originally exclusive to the Collector's Edition.  If they didn't release this as seperate DLC, standard Edition users would never experience it at all.

Now by that logic you would be arguing about it being so exclusive and to have them release it as DLC for people who only got the standard version.

They are giving you an option on supplemental DLC that was originally just going to be part of the Collector's Edition.  It isn't critical to the main plot of ME3 and only offers some side missions and a new squad member (Like Kasumi in Stolen Memories or Liara in LOTB... only here the character stays with you after the DLC is done.)

It's optional and I have seen no proof that this DLC character has any significant impact to the Final release product and considering Day 1 DLC has been around for some time and people continue to buy it from several different companies it's going to be here for some time.

It's an option, not an entitlement.


This.  If they hadn't decided the make him DLC, he'd be a CE exclusive, and then you would all have a REAL reason for being pissed.

If anything, shouldn't the people who pre-ordered the CE be upset because something that was a part of the package they were paying an additional $15+ bucks for is suddenly no longer exclusive?

(For the record, I'm not upset.  I'm actually GLAD he's DLC because it means folks who didn't get the CE get a chance to acquire him)

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t0k3n98 wrote...

 I want this game so bad, I just recently beat the second one in preperation pre-ordered and everything. Then I saw TB's video and this happened.


Its a good thing you have youtube to tell you how to feel.

I wish someone would explain my oppinions to me... :(

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I would suggest EA/Bioware make this DLC free ASAP before they lose customers for good.

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DJBare wrote...

I purchased it for the art book and N7 patch, not for a character that is an intergral part of lore to be treated as an add on character like Zaeed.



 
Exactly right. Well said.

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Why did you do this EA ... as you would not get enough money on this game already...

Unbelievable ... not getting it at all .

I won't get this game .

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While I understand people not wanting to pay another $10, I still find it hard to take a lot of this seriously. Because this forum is filled with almost nothing but complaints about every little piece of information that comes out about this game.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of people here who aren't like that and I do understand this particular complaint, but at the end of the day of course EA and BioWare are going to milk this. That's business. As far as I'm concerned these Mass Effect games give me hundreds of hours of game play over several playthroughs, so I'm pretty okay with paying another $10 for more game. $70 for hundreds of hours of game play is still a pretty solid deal.

And yeah I get that it's more the principle of day one DLC being kind of a lame practice, but still I just can't get too hyped up about it in this case. At least it's not like with Halo 3 where I basically couldn't play the game any more because I didn't want to spend $20-30 more on a few maps. I'll still be able to play ME3 without any of the DLC if I so choose (I won't so choose, because like I said I enjoy these games and have mostly enjoyed the DLC I've paid for).

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Please do not advocate piracy, it does nothing to aid the argument, criminals will steal no matter what, using this is just an excuse to make yourself feel better.

Support gaming, but not bad business practices.

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Saints_ wrote...

The fact the Prothean is DLC makes it a non essential part of the game. If you're going to put it in the game, give it a big part. Also put it in the game for everyone, no additional charge.


But if he's non-essential to the plot (again, him being DLC at all means this is the case, the track record so far (Shale, Zaeed, Kasumi, the DLC party member from DA2) proves as such) what's the problem?  Why does he need a big part?

Because he happens to be a Prothean?

The Protheans stopped being -that- important to the plot since ME1.

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I dont blame people who boycotting they have the right. There is no other way to say "this is wrong" if you buy game you support this and gave money in support. You talk with your money so dont buy it if you dont support this kinda dlc.

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t0k3n98 wrote...

 I want this game so bad, I just recently beat the second one in preperation pre-ordered and everything. Then I saw TB's video and this happened.


hopefully you watched it all the way through,but if this is your opinion TB will be pleased as he doesnt like sheep

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The Character in "From Ashes" is still there the story is not effected and not missing cut-scenes

You just can't use that character as a squad-mate in battle

A User on YouTube made this statement on a Video so it's pure speculation?

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Cobra5 wrote...

t0k3n98 wrote...

 I want this game so bad, I just recently beat the second one in preperation pre-ordered and everything. Then I saw TB's video and this happened.


Its a good thing you have youtube to tell you how to feel.

I wish someone would explain my oppinions to me... :(


I didn't know about it till I watched the video. I am a person who assumes that I will get everything in the GAME when I buy a standered edition of a game, and the collectors ediition is for maybe a reskined weapon, books,music etc

So no you might want to assume I was told how to think, it was more I was ignorant to this DLC and now I was told about it

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RiouHotaru wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Wow.  Once again this content was originally exclusive to the Collector's Edition.  If they didn't release this as seperate DLC, standard Edition users would never experience it at all.

Now by that logic you would be arguing about it being so exclusive and to have them release it as DLC for people who only got the standard version.

They are giving you an option on supplemental DLC that was originally just going to be part of the Collector's Edition.  It isn't critical to the main plot of ME3 and only offers some side missions and a new squad member (Like Kasumi in Stolen Memories or Liara in LOTB... only here the character stays with you after the DLC is done.)

It's optional and I have seen no proof that this DLC character has any significant impact to the Final release product and considering Day 1 DLC has been around for some time and people continue to buy it from several different companies it's going to be here for some time.

It's an option, not an entitlement.


This.  If they hadn't decided the make him DLC, he'd be a CE exclusive, and then you would all have a REAL reason for being pissed.

If anything, shouldn't the people who pre-ordered the CE be upset because something that was a part of the package they were paying an additional $15+ bucks for is suddenly no longer exclusive?

(For the record, I'm not upset.  I'm actually GLAD he's DLC because it means folks who didn't get the CE get a chance to acquire him)


there's the catch....this is a no win spot for bioware unless they had included it in the release, or made it free preorder DLC for everybody, which we've known now that it wouldn't be since EB games posted that description of the CE edtion perks....

i second your sentiment, i think they're actually trying to aviod the massive****storm of not making it available to everybody and they figured 'we charged the CE folks, gotta charge the SE folks' 

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godhand13 wrote...

in 300 years humanity becomes extinct...50,000 years later other races have evolved and studied us, they base most of their technology on us. ****, we are a subject of study in school, and are all around fascinating. Then suddenly, they find a human...alive...OMFG REALLY??!?!? Hes alive and breathing and real? What happened, how...omfg...what an amazing discovery.

Human: Well I was actually just a janitor back in my time
Whole Galaxy: Now you are a god

People saying that its no big deal...It's a Prothean, of course its a big deal to have him.

If they were like oh ok, $10 to add Jacob to the party id be like i dun give a ****, but a prothean?



Our technology isnt actualy based on theirs though, its based on the Reapers technology just like theirs was. The Protheans are not the central core element of the mythos the Reapers are. They are an interesting side element, they are not the omg wtf nothing makes sense without this catalyst for the series. The entire race could easily be removed from existance and it would require only 1 or 2 major plot changes and several minor ones to make the entire overall plot of the seires still completely valid.

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RiouHotaru wrote...

This.  If they hadn't decided the make him DLC, he'd be a CE exclusive, and then you would all have a REAL reason for being pissed.

If anything, shouldn't the people who pre-ordered the CE be upset because something that was a part of the package they were paying an additional $15+ bucks for is suddenly no longer exclusive?

(For the record, I'm not upset.  I'm actually GLAD he's DLC because it means folks who didn't get the CE get a chance to acquire him)



 
 As someone said earlier, I didn't get the CE for that reason and I support giving this DLC to anyone who buys the game new.

Modifié par KBomb, 22 février 2012 - 09:11 .


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Okay, I don't want to get my head bitten off here, but I'm gonna stick it in the pirana pool anyway...

I'm under the impression that Prothy was developed and intended to be included with the CE version of the game, and downloadable for everyone else for a price. He's part of the package we (those of us who bought the CE) paid for: it was said when the CE was first announced there would be a special downloadable character and mission. Did we know it would be Prothy? No. But when the leaks came out, most of us who read them had a very strong suspicion that he was the downloadable character for the CE. If he was developed for the CE, then of course he'd be available for download on Day 1. Now, I can't say that Prothy was always destined to be a special for the CE with any more certainty than y'all can say that he was originally intended to be part of the game itself. However, if you look at it from that angle, you guys realize that you're asking for the special CE downloadable character in your standard edition game free, right? Everyone knew that there was going to be a special DLC character exclusive for the CE (we didn't even know if said DLC character would even be available for purchase for those who didn't get the CE), so why in the heck are people complaining about it now? Especially now that we know he will be available to everyone instead of just exclusive to those who bought the CE.

It can be argued that the Protheans are plot-critical. Sure, yeah, they are. But what were the odds that any of them would survive to be part of Shepard's squad 50,000 years later? Uh...how about slim to none? Well, now we have that slim to none chance...cool. Is Prothy the key to defeating the Reapers just because he's Prothean? No. Therefore, is he necessarily plot-critical? Probably not. Don't get me wrong, I think he's going to be a seriously cool ally, but I don't think he "completes" the game. By that logic, Kasumi "completes" ME2. Prothy is the cool character we were supposed to get all along for being willing to shell out an extra $20 for the CE.

On the topic of putting plot-critical elements in DLC, let's talk Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival for a moment. Where was the outcry over those? Both are going to be plot-critical to ME3 (especially Arrival) and were actually marketed as being plot-critical. I have a friend who didn't play Arrival and was confused at the beginning of the ME3 demo as to what Anderson was talking about when he said, "The sh** you've done? Any other soldier would have been court-martialled and discharged."

So, I guess my point is this: I honestly don't get why people are going nuts about not getting the CE, special DLC character for free in regular versions of the game. Sorry if I haven't "seen the light" on this one.

For the record, I think DLC is a pain in the rear end, and it's obviously a way for game companies to pump more money out of consumers. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy playing DLC, but it does mean that every time a new DLC comes out, I grumble about my budget for the month and how EA owns my frickin' wallet. I support things like DLC passes, not necessarily pay-per DLC. But, the way I see it, this is a different ball of wax: the CE was supposed to get this DLC as part of the CE, not as part of the game itself.

Or maybe I'm just another one of the mindless hoarde of idiots that will buy stuff despite the horrible marketing practices of pretty much every major company in existence today. *Shrug*

Edit for formatting.

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