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[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

RiouHotaru wrote...

DJBare wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote..."

[/i]I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!

That is not the point, this is a prothean, possibly the last of it's kind, it's ingrained in the lore, you and I know that EA/Bioware deliberatly went out of their way to seperate it from the game knowing full well people will pay to have a lore character, but hey, let's make them all DLC, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, and so on, that's good business practice no?

Just because he's in the lore doesn't make him important to the plot.

Well said my friend.

[tsaio]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Seriously so much complaining about stupid DLC! It's not a big deal. There is so much exageration here it's unbelievable!

You can't say the Prothean should be in the game from the start. There is nothing wrong with day 1 DLC because in the end it's all optional content.. I'd rather BioWare allow me to purchase it day 1 rather then day 30.. I don't get why some people just can't grasp the word "optional".

Many people have no idea how much of an impact this DLC will have on the game... and lets me honnest.. it's DLC so that means not much. Prothean basically = Kasumi released day 1.

Also, for people saying "Well why not take more out of the game!? What do we really pay 60$ for?" You pay 60$ for Mass Effect 3. The game, because the rest is ADD ONS! Mass Effect 3 is fully enjoyable and completable WITHOUT them. And don't say "Well why not take more out of the game and charge it as DLC" This is one of the dumbest things ever, and not an valid excuse/argument. They won't take anything out because everything that is there is needed and it's what is most important to the game. The rest they sell as extra DLC because its really NOT NEEDED.

Also, many people (myself included) are getting the N7 edition.. we're paying extra for it and it comes with this DLC. So don't act like you have to pay extra while other people get it free. Everyone is paying for it.. when I saw the N7 edition video that said "Spoiler DLC squadmate" I bought it.. I paid extra for an extra character... I didn't complain.

I love how when BioWare says "ME3 N7 CE will include bonus spoiler DLC character"
everyone goes "Yay!! Awesome.. let's buy the CE!" I saw no complaining. But then when BioWare says "Good news! For those who didn't get the N7 CE, where doing you a favor by releasing the bonus DLC character as DLC so you can purchase it too if you please!"  then everyone goes "Wait WTF!! F*** you BioWare!! Day 1 DLC!!?? You guys suck! Pre order canceled!!"

I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!


It's no different then to buy a DVD.. or pay a little extra to get the Special Edition that includes a "SPECIAL FEATURES" disc.

... or buying a product that says "batteries not included" (actually this is worse because you can't use the product without paying more for batteries)

.... or buying a printer that doesn't come with ink, or a printer cable.

.... buying a computer that doesn't come with an anti-virus, only a trial (the computer is still fully usable only you might want an anti-virus.. if you do, buy one)
 
.... buying a camera that doesn't come with an SD card

I work in a retail store so I can name you lots... this isn't any different.. so stop complaining.. Buy it, or don't. It doesn't have to complicated.

you are just sad.

[mulder1199]

DJBare wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote..."

[/i]I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!

That is not the point, this is a prothean, possibly the last of it's kind, it's ingrained in the lore, you and I know that EA/Bioware deliberatly went out of their way to seperate it from the game knowing full well people will pay to have a lore character, but hey, let's make them all DLC, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, and so on, that's good business practice no?

it is ABSOLUTELY good business practice.....if you want to discuss business ETHICS well.....

[Mclouvins]

Draconis6666 wrote...

The real Irony is that anyone on this forum expects Bioware to pay attention to anything that's said here or take any of it seriously with how terrible this community is to start with in terms of people constantly creating 50 threads about how the game sucks or they are canceling their pre-order.

Those preorders cancellations don't even really matter, the game broke 1,000,000 preorders last week and will more than likely increase this week. BSN and really all online gaming forum type things are a microcosm of ME consumers and no website with wide appeal is going to have an article calling for a boycott of any major publisher, the forums might, but again most people don't really read those.

[dangermouseuk78]

RiouHotaru wrote...

DJBare wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote..."

[/i]I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!

That is not the point, this is a prothean, possibly the last of it's kind, it's ingrained in the lore, you and I know that EA/Bioware deliberatly went out of their way to seperate it from the game knowing full well people will pay to have a lore character, but hey, let's make them all DLC, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, and so on, that's good business practice no?

Just because he's in the lore doesn't make him important to the plot.

How much the Protheans are Reveared through out the Mass effect Galaxy for the tech and Knowledge how could he not be Important.

[Draconis6666]

sunbear0326 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Can you guys stop with the f@£king pyramid building, this thread is bad enough with the speed as it is!


I'm going to repeat what others have said, if you are someone like us who have pre-ordered the CE, then support the prothean DLC be given free to those who pre-ordered the SE.

No your benifit should hinder the SE story it should only be cosmetic, gun, armor, artbook, or statue of the Normandy you name it.

It doesnt hinder it thats the point, it may add to it but it isnt REQUIRED for the game to make sense, you haven't been deprived of anything crucial to the plot.

[PaulSX]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I would suggest EA/Bioware make this DLC free ASAP before they lose customers for good.

They wont becuase the large crowd of casual gamers wont even care about this character, only fans will care

[mulder1199]

Mclouvins wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

This.  If they hadn't decided the make him DLC, he'd be a CE exclusive, and then you would all have a REAL reason for being pissed.

If anything, shouldn't the people who pre-ordered the CE be upset because something that was a part of the package they were paying an additional $15+ bucks for is suddenly no longer exclusive?

(For the record, I'm not upset.  I'm actually GLAD he's DLC because it means folks who didn't get the CE get a chance to acquire him)

They ought to just bump the base price to $70 and then include him for everybody, then people will be happy...right?

nope, there are some CE folks that would be out $10 for stuff they didn't want because they had to pay more to get prothy....

[RiouHotaru]

dangermouseuk78 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

DJBare wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote..."

[/i]I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!

That is not the point, this is a prothean, possibly the last of it's kind, it's ingrained in the lore, you and I know that EA/Bioware deliberatly went out of their way to seperate it from the game knowing full well people will pay to have a lore character, but hey, let's make them all DLC, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, and so on, that's good business practice no?

Just because he's in the lore doesn't make him important to the plot.

How much the Protheans are Reveared through out the Mass effect Galaxy for the tech and Knowledge how could he not be Important.

Because he's only a single Prothean warrior, the rest of the race went extinct.  Hell, unless he has a way to breed or clone himself he's going to wind up being the death of his own species because he's the last one.

[DJBare]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I pre-ordered the CE so that I could get all the goodies.  And the "exclusive" (past-tense anyway) squad-member was a part of that package deal.  Making him free to everyone who gets the game new invalidates a signifcant portion of the reason I pre-ordered the CE.

So no, I'm not in support of this.  He's not relevant to the plot, nor is he vital to anyone's experience.  I'm essentially paying to have him by virtue of the added cost for the CE, saying everyone else should just get a hand-out is insulting.

And I apologize if that sounds elitst or rude, but it's my stance.  I'm paying $15+ for a bunch of extra goodies, which includes the squaddie.  Everyone else can afford to shell out a bit of cash too.

And I for one will not knock you for taking that stance, it's actually a stance I normally agree with and support, but in this case EA/Bioware are definitely playing on it, it's a gross business practice and if allowed to continue will end up with your main characters being DLC in future games.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

tsaio wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Seriously so much complaining about stupid DLC! It's not a big deal. There is so much exageration here it's unbelievable!

You can't say the Prothean should be in the game from the start. There is nothing wrong with day 1 DLC because in the end it's all optional content.. I'd rather BioWare allow me to purchase it day 1 rather then day 30.. I don't get why some people just can't grasp the word "optional".

Many people have no idea how much of an impact this DLC will have on the game... and lets me honnest.. it's DLC so that means not much. Prothean basically = Kasumi released day 1.

Also, for people saying "Well why not take more out of the game!? What do we really pay 60$ for?" You pay 60$ for Mass Effect 3. The game, because the rest is ADD ONS! Mass Effect 3 is fully enjoyable and completable WITHOUT them. And don't say "Well why not take more out of the game and charge it as DLC" This is one of the dumbest things ever, and not an valid excuse/argument. They won't take anything out because everything that is there is needed and it's what is most important to the game. The rest they sell as extra DLC because its really NOT NEEDED.

Also, many people (myself included) are getting the N7 edition.. we're paying extra for it and it comes with this DLC. So don't act like you have to pay extra while other people get it free. Everyone is paying for it.. when I saw the N7 edition video that said "Spoiler DLC squadmate" I bought it.. I paid extra for an extra character... I didn't complain.

I love how when BioWare says "ME3 N7 CE will include bonus spoiler DLC character"
everyone goes "Yay!! Awesome.. let's buy the CE!" I saw no complaining. But then when BioWare says "Good news! For those who didn't get the N7 CE, where doing you a favor by releasing the bonus DLC character as DLC so you can purchase it too if you please!"  then everyone goes "Wait WTF!! F*** you BioWare!! Day 1 DLC!!?? You guys suck! Pre order canceled!!"

I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!


It's no different then to buy a DVD.. or pay a little extra to get the Special Edition that includes a "SPECIAL FEATURES" disc.

... or buying a product that says "batteries not included" (actually this is worse because you can't use the product without paying more for batteries)

.... or buying a printer that doesn't come with ink, or a printer cable.

.... buying a computer that doesn't come with an anti-virus, only a trial (the computer is still fully usable only you might want an anti-virus.. if you do, buy one)
 
.... buying a camera that doesn't come with an SD card

I work in a retail store so I can name you lots... this isn't any different.. so stop complaining.. Buy it, or don't. It doesn't have to complicated.

you are just sad.

Right back at you.

Let's be real.. I'm sad because I can look at it from different perspectives and make an opinion? I'm sad because I'm not as hard headed as some people? I'm sad because I work in a retail store and fully know that company's do this?

[Draconis6666]

The bulk of the consumers who will buy the game and were already going to buy the game will never even realize this controversy existed.

[tsaio]

never buying another bioware game again

soon they'll be charging for the soundtrack and biodrone will be defending them.

Modifié par tsaio, 22 février 2012 - 09:24 .

[Lars E F]

Totalbiscuit is right. I have preordered the N7 CE, so in some sense, I shouldn't really care, but I do. Bioware and EA ... listen to the man... you're losing customers on this!

[HiroVoid]

So, anyone want to take a shot at a Mass Effect Deception-like thread for this?

[Thrak Balzak]

mulder1199 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I would suggest EA/Bioware make this DLC free ASAP before they lose customers for good.

Then a large majority of the Collector's Edition buyers would be "boycotting". The way they advertised the CE "Exclusive mission and character", they'd have to come up with a replacement in the next 2 weeks (not going to happen) or risk an even bigger fallout. There is a compromise. But "give it to us for free or else!" isn't the way to obtain it. 

They never said that it would be exclusive to the CE. They always used the word 'additional'.

exclusive, perhaps not, but it is something that CE folks already paid for....

It is, which is another reason I don't get the complaints.  Sure, the CE has other extras too, so maybe they got the extra character at a bit of a discount.  But that's a bonus of ordering the CE.  If BioWare/EA should do anything to quell some of this rage it shouldn't be to make it free, but maybe to lower the price slightly.  Like instead of $10 it's $7.  But that still wouldn't really make people happy so there's no real reason to do it. 

Modifié par Thrak Balzak, 22 février 2012 - 09:24 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Bioware confirmed a long time ago that the CE char/mission would be available on Day 1 (at a price) for those who didn't purchase the CE.

[mulder1199]

suntzuxi wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I would suggest EA/Bioware make this DLC free ASAP before they lose customers for good.

They wont becuase the large crowd of casual gamers wont even care about this character, only fans will care

check into some marketing efforts of any major sports league or busness.....

the causual fan is where the profit money is made, core fans will buy regardless....

[nitefyre410]

Draconis6666 wrote...

The real Irony is that anyone on this forum expects Bioware to pay attention to anything that's said here or take any of it seriously with how terrible this community is to start with in terms of people constantly creating 50 threads about how the game sucks or they are canceling their pre-order.

 

And  thats is why people having be really trying to speak out agaisnt that because when  something  likes this shows up. The complaint can't be heard because  people have become  tone deaf and turned off with out listening.  Much like the boy who cried wolf. 

Honestly  a CE editon DLC  character  from the start I had a feeling that it was bad idea  from the start and was going to bite  Bioware and EA in the ass later one.

Capcom played it smart with  MVC 3 Jill and Shuma Gorath were not released till a month after release - if you got the CE you got a  redeemable code.  Same thing with Back to Karkland for BF 3. 

This on the other hamd  looks bad especailly if the  rumor  holds true and he is there  for SE   buyers but not playable

[dangermouseuk78]

RiouHotaru wrote...

dangermouseuk78 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

DJBare wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote..."

[/i]I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!

That is not the point, this is a prothean, possibly the last of it's kind, it's ingrained in the lore, you and I know that EA/Bioware deliberatly went out of their way to seperate it from the game knowing full well people will pay to have a lore character, but hey, let's make them all DLC, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, and so on, that's good business practice no?

Just because he's in the lore doesn't make him important to the plot.

How much the Protheans are Reveared through out the Mass effect Galaxy for the tech and Knowledge how could he not be Important.

Because he's only a single Prothean warrior, the rest of the race went extinct.  Hell, unless he has a way to breed or clone himself he's going to wind up being the death of his own species because he's the last one.

Its about there Knowledge and tech that single Prothean could help with not if hes a good for fighting, the feeling i get through out the books as well as other things they would give there right arm to have a live Prothean.

[OmegaZyklon]

sunbear0326 wrote...

Bioware PLEASE change this. I have been a loyal customer ever since i played KOTR (what i consider the greatest game ever). Ever since then i have bought all of your games. I even play SWTOR and enjoy it a lot (level 50 commando doing HM OPS currently). But i just can believe that you guys would take away so much from fans just to make an extra buck. What are the people that are saving money from pay checks just to get this game going to do when they have to fork up an extra 10/20 dollars? Your games offer such incredible stories that they are almost an escape from reality for a brief period of time. Do not do this to us... Sorry to say but i have cancelled my preorder on amazon.

My post pretty much mirrors this.  I am a huge RPG fan. I live in Edmonton, I used to see the Bioware guys playing D&D upstairs in White Knight.  I've loved Bioware games since Baldurs Gate.  I made this account specifically because, as much as it pains me to do this (and it does, since I've been looking forward to this game since the second I finished ME2) I'm going to have to cancel my pre-ordered CE. 

You guys can't sell incomplete games to people.  The coding/development has already been done for the character.  This is not a cosmetic thing, not a nice little addon that some people won't care about not having.  It's a goddamn prothean.  Not including him is akin to extortion, and its not acceptable business practice.  Fix this or lose my business Bioware.

[RiouHotaru]

DJBare wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

I pre-ordered the CE so that I could get all the goodies.  And the "exclusive" (past-tense anyway) squad-member was a part of that package deal.  Making him free to everyone who gets the game new invalidates a signifcant portion of the reason I pre-ordered the CE.

So no, I'm not in support of this.  He's not relevant to the plot, nor is he vital to anyone's experience.  I'm essentially paying to have him by virtue of the added cost for the CE, saying everyone else should just get a hand-out is insulting.

And I apologize if that sounds elitst or rude, but it's my stance.  I'm paying $15+ for a bunch of extra goodies, which includes the squaddie.  Everyone else can afford to shell out a bit of cash too.

And I for one will not knock you for taking that stance, it's actually a stance I normally agree with and support, but in this case EA/Bioware are definitely playing on it, it's a gross business practice and if allowed to continue will end up with your main characters being DLC in future games.

And I think you're falling down the (understandably) slippery slope.  There's been no indication that Bioware has ever made plot-relevant characters into DLC (Shale wasn't plot-relevant btw.  Added depth to the plot, but not relevence!).

Simply because this particular character happens to be from a race that's a part of the lore and backstory of the setting doesn't make him that important.

Again, I'll point out how people were angry and upset over the multiplayer, only to discover that their fears had no basis in truth.

I think everyone is jumping the gun yet AGAIN.

[t0k3n98]

Cobra5 wrote...

t0k3n98 wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

t0k3n98 wrote...

 I want this game so bad, I just recently beat the second one in preperation pre-ordered and everything. Then I saw TB's video and this happened.

Its a good thing you have youtube to tell you how to feel.

I wish someone would explain my oppinions to me...

I didn't know about it till I watched the video. I am a person who assumes that I will get everything in the GAME when I buy a standered edition of a game, and the collectors ediition is for maybe a reskined weapon, books,music etc

So no you might want to assume I was told how to think, it was more I was ignorant to this DLC and now I was told about it

Uh,

well I guess... but it listed playable squadmate DLC inthe CE description since the begining?

What's your point, had I known that it was ahead of time I wouldn't have even preorderd it.

Lets do some math here.
[list][*]Premium metal case featuring male and female Commander Shepard[*]70-page hardbound art book[*]Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics[*]Fabric N7 patch.[*]Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print of the SR-2 Alliance Normandy[*]Additional in-game content including[*]N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.[*]Squad alternate appearance pack[*]Robotic Dog for on board the Normandy[*]Mass Effect 3 digital soundtrack.[*]Plus the pre-order bonuses of where ever you got it from (Also the DLC)
So if you subtract that 10 bucks that I will have to pay from your 79.99 you get 69.99 plus you get all this stuff because you were quicker than I was you are only paying 10 bucks more for all this stuff which is well over a $20 value.

So you are essentially getting the DLC for free that actually has in game content, because you were the lucky few that got a collectors edition, and since you said this was all planned well in advance its safe to say that it was cut or just choosen to be not added for a lucky few that are already getting more than they should for the money.

It's unfair and wrong for me to have to pay 10 bucks for something that was clearly planned to be cut or not added just so it can be added to a collectors edition of a game when i don't want anything but gameplay

Modifié par t0k3n98, 22 février 2012 - 09:29 .

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

I pre-ordered the CE so that I could get all the goodies.  And the "exclusive" (past-tense anyway) squad-member was a part of that package deal.  Making him free to everyone who gets the game new invalidates a signifcant portion of the reason I pre-ordered the CE.

So no, I'm not in support of this.  He's not relevant to the plot, nor is he vital to anyone's experience.  I'm essentially paying to have him by virtue of the added cost for the CE, saying everyone else should just get a hand-out is insulting.

And I apologize if that sounds elitst or rude, but it's my stance.  I'm paying $15+ for a bunch of extra goodies, which includes the squaddie.  Everyone else can afford to shell out a bit of cash too.

And I for one will not knock you for taking that stance, it's actually a stance I normally agree with and support, but in this case EA/Bioware are definitely playing on it, it's a gross business practice and if allowed to continue will end up with your main characters being DLC in future games.

 

^  this

[BillsVengenace]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Seriously so much complaining about stupid DLC! It's not a big deal. There is so much exageration here it's unbelievable!

You can't say the Prothean should be in the game from the start. There is nothing wrong with day 1 DLC because in the end it's all optional content.. I'd rather BioWare allow me to purchase it day 1 rather then day 30.. I don't get why some people just can't grasp the word "optional".

Many people have no idea how much of an impact this DLC will have on the game... and lets me honnest.. it's DLC so that means not much. Prothean basically = Kasumi released day 1.

Also, for people saying "Well why not take more out of the game!? What do we really pay 60$ for?" You pay 60$ for Mass Effect 3. The game, because the rest is ADD ONS! Mass Effect 3 is fully enjoyable and completable WITHOUT them. And don't say "Well why not take more out of the game and charge it as DLC" This is one of the dumbest things ever, and not an valid excuse/argument. They won't take anything out because everything that is there is needed and it's what is most important to the game. The rest they sell as extra DLC because its really NOT NEEDED.

Also, many people (myself included) are getting the N7 edition.. we're paying extra for it and it comes with this DLC. So don't act like you have to pay extra while other people get it free. Everyone is paying for it.. when I saw the N7 edition video that said "Spoiler DLC squadmate" I bought it.. I paid extra for an extra character... I didn't complain.

I love how when BioWare says "ME3 N7 CE will include bonus spoiler DLC character"
everyone goes "Yay!! Awesome.. let's buy the CE!" I saw no complaining. But then when BioWare says "Good news! For those who didn't get the N7 CE, where doing you a favor by releasing the bonus DLC character as DLC so you can purchase it too if you please!"  then everyone goes "Wait WTF!! F*** you BioWare!! Day 1 DLC!!?? You guys suck! Pre order canceled!!"

I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!


It's no different then to buy a DVD.. or pay a little extra to get the Special Edition that includes a "SPECIAL FEATURES" disc.

... or buying a product that says "batteries not included" (actually this is worse because you can't use the product without paying more for batteries)

.... or buying a printer that doesn't come with ink, or a printer cable.

.... buying a computer that doesn't come with an anti-virus, only a trial (the computer is still fully usable only you might want an anti-virus.. if you do, buy one)
 
.... buying a camera that doesn't come with an SD card

I work in a retail store so I can name you lots... this isn't any different.. so stop complaining.. Buy it, or don't. It doesn't have to complicated.

Where does "optional content" end?  An alternate ending? Added openings (ie, origins)?

The fact is they can cut ANYTHING and claim it's "additional content", which is why this need to be stopped.  Now.

Everything completed before release should be included in the game.