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[Mclouvins]

piemanz wrote...

Matbe i'm going blind but i don't see anything relating to the DLC there.

Then it looks like an oversight because it is listed in the description within the client and has been for months.

[El Ejcovero]

Mclouvins wrote...

This kind of evangelizing needs to stop. This is not a moral arguement it is a fiscal one.

Fiscal and financial integrity is based on honesty and
ethics, and the fact that the customer has a right to the service rendered by
the payment. So no, it does not have to stop, the whole problem is unethical business
practice, because if ethics and morality aren't involved, it is none of your business if
they decide to sell in-game monocles at $70.

Modifié par El Ejcovero, 22 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[Armass81]

I think this is pretty unacceptable. You make content for a game, a freaking prothean no less, then you cut it from launch and charge 10 bucks from people who dont want to spent their money on CE. Why is this not free dlc like Zaeed? This is a clear bait and switch so you can get more money!

How greedy can you be? Goddammit Bioware!

Modifié par Armass81, 22 février 2012 - 09:52 .

[tsaio]

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

some people are mentally challenged. please be kind to those less fortunate.

[El Ejcovero]

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

Fanboys blinded, that is all it is.

[Daywalker315]

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Which is why this is a scam, they hide this and we find out a couple weeks before release, which is why we are making a loud noise so people know.

Except it wasnt hidden people knew months ago.

Exactly. At the very least, anyone who saw the CE "what's in the box" video they made in November (I believe) knew it had an additional "Bonus Character and Mission". That was still early enough to order a CE. Not to mention there were leaks and rumors about it long before that. And I'm pretty sure devs have made comments previously about that character being available to those who didn't get the CE day one. It wasn't hidden from anyone.

[Draconis6666]

tsaio wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

some people are mentally challenged. please be kind to those less fortunate.

from what i can see the mentally challenged are the ones who keep yelling that its got to be vital to the story simply because its a prothean not the ones defending what is a widely accepted business practice in multiple other industries that no one rants and complains about.

[Aspiriini]

tsaio wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

some people are mentally challenged. please be kind to those less fortunate.

Yeah, its like drug users defending their drugdealer.

[Aargh12]

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

And then we're ending with more Horse Armor type DLCs, monthly subscirptions, paying for all DLC up-front and releasing game every year with slightly changed weapons stats and plot*


*Just guess.

[wrdnshprd]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Seriously so much complaining about stupid DLC! It's not a big deal. There is so much exageration here it's unbelievable!

You can't say the Prothean should be in the game from the start. There is nothing wrong with day 1 DLC because in the end it's all optional content.. I'd rather BioWare allow me to purchase it day 1 rather then day 30.. I don't get why some people just can't grasp the word "optional".

Many people have no idea how much of an impact this DLC will have on the game... and lets me honnest.. it's DLC so that means not much. Prothean basically = Kasumi released day 1.

Also, for people saying "Well why not take more out of the game!? What do we really pay 60$ for?" You pay 60$ for Mass Effect 3. The game, because the rest is ADD ONS! Mass Effect 3 is fully enjoyable and completable WITHOUT them. And don't say "Well why not take more out of the game and charge it as DLC" This is one of the dumbest things ever, and not an valid excuse/argument. They won't take anything out because everything that is there is needed and it's what is most important to the game. The rest they sell as extra DLC because its really NOT NEEDED.

Also, many people (myself included) are getting the N7 edition.. we're paying extra for it and it comes with this DLC. So don't act like you have to pay extra while other people get it free. Everyone is paying for it.. when I saw the N7 edition video that said "Spoiler DLC squadmate" I bought it.. I paid extra for an extra character... I didn't complain.

I love how when BioWare says "ME3 N7 CE will include bonus spoiler DLC character"
everyone goes "Yay!! Awesome.. let's buy the CE!" I saw no complaining. But then when BioWare says "Good news! For those who didn't get the N7 CE, where doing you a favor by releasing the bonus DLC character as DLC so you can purchase it too if you please!"  then everyone goes "Wait WTF!! F*** you BioWare!! Day 1 DLC!!?? You guys suck! Pre order canceled!!"

I mean really for the last time ITS OPTIONAL CONTENT THAT IS NOT REQUIRE TO COMPLETE AND ENJOY MASS EFFECT 3!!!


It's no different then to buy a DVD.. or pay a little extra to get the Special Edition that includes a "SPECIAL FEATURES" disc.

... or buying a product that says "batteries not included" (actually this is worse because you can't use the product without paying more for batteries)

.... or buying a printer that doesn't come with ink, or a printer cable.

.... buying a computer that doesn't come with an anti-virus, only a trial (the computer is still fully usable only you might want an anti-virus.. if you do, buy one)
 
.... buying a camera that doesn't come with an SD card

I work in a retail store so I can name you lots... this isn't any different.. so stop complaining.. Buy it, or don't. It doesn't have to complicated.

you actually make some good points here, but there are still a couple of problems..

for one, whats the difference between this DLC and say the Shale DLC from DAO?  right, nothing.  so justify to me how this DLC should cost extra when that DLC was free with ALL versions, as long as you bought the game new..  right, there isnt one.. except that EA/bioware are getting money hungry.  why people want to support this is beyond me.

second, as many have stated.. its not like this is just some random character.  its a fracking PROTHEAN!  i guarentee you if jessica chobat's character was the day one DLC that cost $10 (or included with CE), and the prothean was included free with all versions as new game DLC.. the outcry wouldnt have been nearly as big. 

guys like myself and TB would still take some issue with it.. but i dont think it would have been deemed boycott worthy.

personally im still not taking it that far.  i dont think ill be buying the CE at this point (on the fence about this because the other content in the CE is pretty good), but im still definately getting the main game.. im too invested in the story line at this point, so i wanna see it through..

but you can bet if this type of thing continues going forward.. you can forget me supporting future bioware franchises.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 22 février 2012 - 09:52 .

[RiouHotaru]

Aspiriini wrote...

tsaio wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

some people are mentally challenged. please be kind to those less fortunate.

Yeah, its like drug users defending their drugdealer.

Wow, and you argue that the people who don't mind the DLC are idiots?

I believe you need to speak for yourselves before you claim to understand us.

[rumbalumba]

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

unbelievable, indeed.

[OmegaZyklon]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Alek the Great wrote...

This is bullcrap, I tolerated the multitude of exclusive pre-order dlc but this has gone too far. Its like If legion was made a dlc character in ME2. This is a horrible business practice and needs to stop. Bioware deserves any flak they get from this.

Legion being a DLC character would have in no way detracted from the plot or story of ME 2 the only thing it would detract from is the legion specific portion of the plot.

This is bull@%#^ and everyone knows it.  Legion is a perfect example of what would be unacceptable DLC content.  An entire section of the storyline involves relations with the Geth.  His presence is required to facilitate choices made when interacting with the Geth.   Your opinion is officially worthless.

[Daywalker315]

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

We're defending it because it's their prerogative to do whatever they want. It's their game. I ordered the CE with full knowledge I got a bonus character and mission. I fully expected it to be available to everyone else but if my bonus character and mission was given away freely to non-CE buyers I'd feel a little slighted. Either way, I'd move past it because I'm a grown-up and I realize that BioWare is a for-profit business that spent tens of millions of dollars making this game. They can sell it however they want to.

[Draconis6666]

Aargh12 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

And then we're ending with more Horse Armor type DLCs, monthly subscirptions, paying for all DLC up-front and releasing game every year with slightly changed weapons stats and plot*


*Just guess.

yet you pay extra for options in your car, pay the government every month to be able to drive it, pay "subscription fees" in the form of gas and maintinance, buy new ones every 5-10 years that are just upgraded versions of the old ones with new paint jobs and shiny new looks.


This business model is not unique to games and is not a recent thing, yet no one is out boycotting or ranting about automotive sales, or practices, or the costs of maintaining their car, people hardly even complain about gas prices.

[schnydz]

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Bioware confirmed a long time ago that the CE char/mission would be available on Day 1 (at a price) for those who didn't purchase the CE.

This isn't Zareed

you also have no proof that hes any more relevant to the plot of the game than Zaeed was so yes he could very well be Zaeed.

My proof is that it is Prothean. Which has been discussed ad nauseum. 

Your proof is not proof though, your argument is a failure before it even begins if thats your proof.

really? that's your comeback? Please enlighten me...

[El Ejcovero]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

tsaio wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

some people are mentally challenged. please be kind to those less fortunate.

Yeah, its like drug users defending their drugdealer.

Wow, and you argue that the people who don't mind the DLC are idiots?

I believe you need to speak for yourselves before you claim to understand us.

No, but even if you are willing to let it slide, you have to admit it is a scumbag move. But then, people are willing to pay $120 for CoD every year, because of the franchise name, maybe the same is true here. That is how people like George Lucas kept on releasing movies...

[DeathKong]

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Bioware confirmed a long time ago that the CE char/mission would be available on Day 1 (at a price) for those who didn't purchase the CE.

This isn't Zareed

you also have no proof that hes any more relevant to the plot of the game than Zaeed was so yes he could very well be Zaeed.

My proof is that it is Prothean. Which has been discussed ad nauseum. 

Your proof is not proof though, your argument is a failure before it even begins if thats your proof.

It's a LIVE PROTHEAN! This is not some stupid merc, I'm starting to wonder if you never played ME because you don't realise the significance of a living breathing prothean has to the ME universe.

[Draconis6666]

OmegaZyklon wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Alek the Great wrote...

This is bullcrap, I tolerated the multitude of exclusive pre-order dlc but this has gone too far. Its like If legion was made a dlc character in ME2. This is a horrible business practice and needs to stop. Bioware deserves any flak they get from this.

Legion being a DLC character would have in no way detracted from the plot or story of ME 2 the only thing it would detract from is the legion specific portion of the plot.

This is bull@%#^ and everyone knows it.  Legion is a perfect example of what would be unacceptable DLC content.  An entire section of the storyline involves relations with the Geth.  His presence is required to facilitate choices made when interacting with the Geth.   Your opinion is officially worthless.

That entire section of the storyline is specific to Legion and has nothign to do with the collectors, it could easily be included in the DLC with legion and the entire game would still make plenty of sense. You could make the argument that it is crucial to the plot of ME 3 but then so are LoTSB and Arrival and no one complained about them.

[mulder1199]

Draconis6666 wrote...

tsaio wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Unbelievable that some people are actually defending this.. wow.

some people are mentally challenged. please be kind to those less fortunate.

from what i can see the mentally challenged are the ones who keep yelling that its got to be vital to the story simply because its a prothean not the ones defending what is a widely accepted business practice in multiple other industries that no one rants and complains about.

very common business practice.....person with supply says 'i have this, people will want it'....sombody in same room says 'you know, they'll probably pay extra'......problem is too many people still buy it, which will again happen with this game.....

has nobody ever bought a pizza or a hamburger at a place that charges you for extra toppings?

[tsaio]

bioware, when your precious biodrones are quickly becoming the minority on your forums, you know you've got a problem.

Modifié par tsaio, 22 février 2012 - 09:54 .

[El Ejcovero]

OmegaZyklon wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Alek the Great wrote...

This is bullcrap, I tolerated the multitude of exclusive pre-order dlc but this has gone too far. Its like If legion was made a dlc character in ME2. This is a horrible business practice and needs to stop. Bioware deserves any flak they get from this.

Legion being a DLC character would have in no way detracted from the plot or story of ME 2 the only thing it would detract from is the legion specific portion of the plot.

This is bull@%#^ and everyone knows it.  Legion is a perfect example of what would be unacceptable DLC content.  An entire section of the storyline involves relations with the Geth.  His presence is required to facilitate choices made when interacting with the Geth.   Your opinion is officially worthless.

Exactly, although I bet this would be less of an offence, since Geth aren't the main plot, unlike the Protheans.

[Mclouvins]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

This kind of evangelizing needs to stop. This is not a moral arguement it is a fiscal one.

Fiscal and financial integrity is based on honesty and
ethics, and the fact that the customer has a right to the service rendered by
the payment. So no, it does not have to stop, the whole problem is unethical business
practice, because if ethics and morality aren't involved, it is none of your business if
they decide to sell in-game monocles at $70.

Integrity absolutely has market value but that doesn't mean this is an unethical practice. They present you with a luxury product for a predetermined price of $60 and then also present you with a choice to purchase something else for $10 extra. Nowhere are they being duplicitous. And if they want to sell $70 monocles more power to them, valve had that $100 FT2 wedding ring on Valentine's day. I imagine that they would not be very successful but if people are willing to buy something why not, after all Railworks has like $1200 in real dlc.