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[Tazzmission]

eoinnx02 wrote...

They did do it with Kasumi. It's there as an option, like all DLC. Don't like it, don't buy it then. Yeah its annoying, but gaming companies are exactly that. Companies. Money is needed to make more games... allot of money in fact.

Basically it sucks that money exists.

there still never gona understand what you say dude. common sense is not known on the bsn

Modifié par Tazzmission, 22 février 2012 - 10:03 .

[Aspiriini]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

Draconis6666. Seriously now. Listen to yourself.

my arguments are far more logical and based in reality than

"OMG ITS A PROTHEAN IT HAZ TO BE IMPORTANT GAME WONT MAKE SENSE WITHOUT IT OMGZ!!!! PRE ORDER CANCLED!!!"

But isnt a live prothean very, VERY important? I mean.. It is a LIVE PROTHEAN.
And if he isnt important, why make a DLC of such a huge character? Wouldnt mind if it had been, say.. Jacob or Miranda. An actual, live prothean can give so much info on the whole universe of Mass Effect.

[wrdnshprd]

i think this point needs to be repeated..

people wouldnt have cared if a character such as the one voiced by Jessica Chobat was the $10 day 1 DLC (or free with CE). this type of DLC is like Warden's Keep. IMO, still a bit ridiculous.. it should be included, but i would have honestly just shrugged it off..

however, the fact that the DLC is based around a PROTHEAN is where we take issue. anyone thats followed this game from the days of ME1 knows that this character is going to be a bit more important than having a hot reporter on the normandy.

THATS why we are upset.

[Aargh12]

Draconis6666 wrote...
yet you pay extra for options in your car,

Which is funny, because the last time i checked, they don't cut brakes or any "vital" component of a car. The stuff usually includes radio (and I can install my own in a car) or more air bags. That's all.

pay the government every month to be able to drive it,

And I'm given something for it. Something that values (in case of accident for example).

pay "subscription fees" in the form of gas and maintinance, buy new ones every 5-10 years that are just upgraded versions of the old ones with new paint jobs and shiny new looks.

I'm paying for gas and maintenance and I'm getting it. Wholly. When I order to have my entire house painted I don't pay extra for painting my kitchen. I get that painted.
I'm paying full price for a game and what do I receive - 5/6th of it, because sb decided to cut content from it, which isn't some weapons/armors/skins/whatever. And by looking at what From Ashes contains and what's in leaked script - it's not a non-vital character.
If they added Chobot as squaddie the backlash wouldn't be so huge.
I don't even want to mention how EA got from extra character for all buyers of new copies to extra character for CE buyers. I don't want to know what's their next step.

This business model is not unique to games and is not a recent thing, yet no one is out boycotting or ranting about automotive sales, or practices, or the costs of maintaining their car, people hardly even complain about gas prices.

Maintenance of your car and DLC being cut from a game and offered for a riddiculous price are a whole different things.

[Iyerbeth]

I'm not going to go over all the arguements already made in this thread, but I just wanted to add my voice in saying I find Day 1 DLC of a character who is basically going to be of massive interest to any ME fan distasteful when not used to reward for buying new.

[N7Infernox]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eain wrote...

For anyone not getting this:

If you allow developers to get away with deciding which pre-release content they sell as a launch title and which gets sold as additional DLC, then you are effectively allowing them to RAISE THE PRICE OF THE FULL GAME.

No it's not.  There's absolutely no evidence of this.  Just because a potential for abuse exists doesn't mean it's inevitable.

Dude...it'll happen

[Eain]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eain wrote...

For anyone not getting this:

If you allow developers to get away with deciding which pre-release content they sell as a launch title and which gets sold as additional DLC, then you are effectively allowing them to RAISE THE PRICE OF THE FULL GAME.

Don't you people get it? EA would love nothing more than to charge you 80 bucks for a game at launch day, and if they get away with a single piece of 10 bucks launch DLC then next year they'll be getting away with two pieces because they'll just try keep pushing the boundary.

This is business strategy 101. They want to see at which point your brains activate and you realise that you're actually just shelling out way more cash for a full game than you would've done five years ago.

No it's not.  There's absolutely no evidence of this.  Just because a potential for abuse exists doesn't mean it's inevitable.

Except all similar instances throughout gaming history where exactly this has happened. Remember when Bobby Kotick told people that if he could squeeze people for 500 bucks through a 50 dollar purchase he would? And now we have CoD Elite.

Don't think EA is any bloody different.

[DJBare]

Draconis6666 wrote...


Which has nothing to do with the actual plot of ME 2

It has everything to do with the plot when it's going to effect outcomes in ME3, but this is getting off track, the plain fact of the matter is protheans have been pretty central to the plot in both ME1&ME2 the latter being we learn what happened them, now we find there is a soul survivor of the prothean species, this is not the freaking robotic dog we're talking about, but a race who managed to send a warning message over 50'000 years, a race that sacrificed the last of their kind in order that the message might be delivered.

[PaulSX]

DeathKong wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Bioware confirmed a long time ago that the CE char/mission would be available on Day 1 (at a price) for those who didn't purchase the CE.

This isn't Zareed

you also have no proof that hes any more relevant to the plot of the game than Zaeed was so yes he could very well be Zaeed.

My proof is that it is Prothean. Which has been discussed ad nauseum. 

Your proof is not proof though, your argument is a failure before it even begins if thats your proof.

It's a LIVE PROTHEAN! This is not some stupid merc, I'm starting to wonder if you never played ME because you don't realise the significance of a living breathing prothean has to the ME universe.

It's obvious what they do is milking money from past players of Mass effect and it's disgusting. Because the new comers wont even care about this character and they wont bother to know what prothean is.

[Daywalker315]

eoinnx02 wrote...

They did do it with Kasumi. It's there as an option, like all DLC. Don't like it, don't buy it then. Yeah its annoying, but gaming companies are exactly that. Companies. Money is needed to make more games... allot of money in fact.

Basically it sucks that money exists.

Edit: didn't read it correctly. nevermind

Modifié par Daywalker315, 22 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[ThomasakaDes_]

Draconis6666 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Legion being a DLC character would have in no way detracted from the plot or story of ME 2 the only thing it would detract from is the legion specific portion of the plot.

You are not serious with this statement?, you are!, Legion is the tie in to the whole Quarian/Geth story, he is the ambassador for the Geth.

Which has nothing to do with the actual plot of ME 2

Having Legion will affect the story in ME3, not having him would too.
If you didn`t notice in the demo, mission 2, Shepard is getting lots of other races to join the fight against the Repaers. Legion will most likely get the Geth on their side becaus of the loyalty mission in ME2.

[Draconis6666]

dangermouseuk78 wrote...


Im not yelling Nor metally challenge thankyou very much, However having read the books, comics and gotten into the world of Mass Effect i cant believe that Living Prothean wouldnt be important to the story. if they are not important i cant  even see why they made the DLC apart from cashing.

Im not against day one DLC im just saying from a story point and how i would expect a Character such as Prothean to be part of it.

Thats Just my Opinion and your very much welcome to yours as well.

Because you have no proof that he adds anything actualy relevant to the plot of the game to make him super important, sure hes a Living Prothean im sure he can tell us alot about the Protheans. The game is not about the Protheans its about the Reapers. Suppose he was put in stasis before the Reapers even arrived,, what useful knowledge would he have then in relation to the Reapers. Hed have none, making him even less useful than Vigil who was a limited VI program. There are plenty of reasons that the simple fact he is a Prothean are not valid enough of a concern to scream for a boycot of the product and insist that he is absolutly crucial to the game.

If you want to boycott a game over day 1 DLC then go for it thats at least a valid concern with logical arguments against it. I have no problem with people who want to boycott for that reason, but boycotting the game because the DLC character is a prothean is not a good reason.

[Tazzmission]

Eain wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eain wrote...

For anyone not getting this:

If you allow developers to get away with deciding which pre-release content they sell as a launch title and which gets sold as additional DLC, then you are effectively allowing them to RAISE THE PRICE OF THE FULL GAME.

Don't you people get it? EA would love nothing more than to charge you 80 bucks for a game at launch day, and if they get away with a single piece of 10 bucks launch DLC then next year they'll be getting away with two pieces because they'll just try keep pushing the boundary.

This is business strategy 101. They want to see at which point your brains activate and you realise that you're actually just shelling out way more cash for a full game than you would've done five years ago.

No it's not.  There's absolutely no evidence of this.  Just because a potential for abuse exists doesn't mean it's inevitable.

Except all similar instances throughout gaming history where exactly this has happened. Remember when Bobby Kotick told people that if he could squeeze people for 500 bucks through a 50 dollar purchase he would? And now we have CoD Elite.

Don't think EA is any bloody different.

two diffrent enities dude. quit using cod as a excuse for your argument.

[El Ejcovero]

mulder1199 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

tsaio wrote...

bioware, when your precious biodrones are becoming the minority on your forums, you know you've got a problem.

I really wonder how these companies come to the conclusion that having their loyal fans hate them is a good thing.

loyal fans aren't where the money is to be made....casual fans are where it's at....

Very true...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Aspiriini wrote...

Draconis6666. Seriously now. Listen to yourself.

my arguments are far more logical and based in reality than

"OMG ITS A PROTHEAN IT HAZ TO BE IMPORTANT GAME WONT MAKE SENSE WITHOUT IT OMGZ!!!! PRE ORDER CANCLED!!!"

 

No, MY arguments are far more logical and based on reality than:
"U SAY: OMG ITS A PROTHEAN IT HAZ TO BE IMPORTANT GAME WONT MAKE SENSE WITHOUT IT OMGZ!!!! PRE ORDER CANCLED!!! C? IZ SMARTER THAN U!!!" 

See? I can reduce well thought out arguments better than you can!
And if you have been reading the opposing sides arguments you will see this is abotu principle and ethical business towards customers, not really about content.

[Draconis6666]

ThomasakaDes_ wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Legion being a DLC character would have in no way detracted from the plot or story of ME 2 the only thing it would detract from is the legion specific portion of the plot.

You are not serious with this statement?, you are!, Legion is the tie in to the whole Quarian/Geth story, he is the ambassador for the Geth.

Which has nothing to do with the actual plot of ME 2

Having Legion will affect the story in ME3, not having him would too.
If you didn`t notice in the demo, mission 2, Shepard is getting lots of other races to join the fight against the Repaers. Legion will most likely get the Geth on their side becaus of the loyalty mission in ME2.

According to the Leaked script having Kasumi would matter too but no one was screaming about that when it was leaked.

[Leaser Resael]

Draconis6666 wrote...

DeathKong wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

schnydz wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Bioware confirmed a long time ago that the CE char/mission would be available on Day 1 (at a price) for those who didn't purchase the CE.

This isn't Zareed

you also have no proof that hes any more relevant to the plot of the game than Zaeed was so yes he could very well be Zaeed.

My proof is that it is Prothean. Which has been discussed ad nauseum. 

Your proof is not proof though, your argument is a failure before it even begins if thats your proof.

It's a LIVE PROTHEAN! This is not some stupid merc, I'm starting to wonder if you never played ME because you don't realise the significance of a living breathing prothean has to the ME universe.

It has no more significance than Vigil did, and in fact is likely to posses less actualy useful information towards the plot of the game than Vigil did. The protheans are not the center of the series, the reapers are, prothean technology is just reaper technology. Nothing about him being a Prothean ensures he will contribute massive plot important information to the story that detracts from the overal plot of the game or even the entire series. Or even that anything he migh tmention isnt already revealed elsewhere in the game through other means.

Did you play ME1? I mean, it's obiously that you didn't, since Vigil was VITAL to the story, he gave you the virus to control the citadel master control and to stop sovereign. So by your own words... the protean is VITAL to the story.

Modifié par Leaser Resael, 22 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

Theory75 wrote...

Just to clarify, yea, I´ve played through all of the ME2 dlc.
Now, back on the subject - The main thing here and atleast the thing I am aggainst of is that when developing the main game you cut something off it and sell it as dlc. Selling an incomplete product is just plain wrong. Now I don't have a problem in dlc in general and dlc like KM and LotSB I'm completely fine with. The thing is that they weren't included (at least to my knowledge? or were they in the ps3 version maybe?) in any of the versions that were available on the release of the game. 

Now something as vital and relevant to the whole ME series as the protheans and limiting that contents availability to only the CE version, or otherwise you have to buy it separately at the release of the game, is still in my oppinion, just wrong.

Your thoughts ?

I appreciate the constructive comment, thank you for that.

But, what people are missing here is that From Ashes is not cut content. From pretty much the day the CE was announced (if not then, shorty thereafter), we were told the CE would get a special bonus DLC character and mission. That character was Prothy, and his stuff was intended to be added to the CE as part of the goody package for those who ordered the CE. Now people are complaining they don't get him, too. It's ridiculous.

Now, you have to look at whether or not the Prothean is "vital" objectively: BioWare could have easily not written in a Prothean survivor and still have the game be perfectly valid. Sure, the Protheans are important because of Vigil and what they did to help break the cycle of extinction. But, does that mean that 50,000 years later they need to play an active role in defeating the Reapers? No. I said it in a wall of text post a few pages back: the chance that any Prothean would survive to become part of Shepard's squad was slim to none. Well, now we have that slim to none, and it's cool, but the galaxy would have been fine without Prothy. He's seriously cool, no doubt about that, but plot-critical just because he's Prothean? No. The Protheans have more than done their part to help galactic civilization this time around...we don't need Prothy. 

Every piece of ME2 DLC was included in the release of the PS3 version of ME2, with the exception of Arrival, because it hadn't been released yet. But they made PS3 users pay for Arrival, too. I remember there was a HUGE stink over givng the PS3 players DLC we'd paid for free. 

[Tazzmission]

Jimmie Galo wrote...

I just want to play the dlc. Whats with all the drama? >sig

its the bsn theres always drama. all we need now is jerry springer to come out with steve and put a stop to it

[andomguy666uk]

http://social.biowar...7/index/9402988 - support my campaign to make this DLC free on release!

Modifié par andomguy666uk, 22 février 2012 - 10:08 .

[realguile]

eoinnx02 wrote...

 It's there as an option, like all DLC. Don't like it, don't buy it then. Yeah its annoying, but gaming companies are exactly that. Companies. Money is needed to make more games... allot of money in fact.

Basically it sucks that money exists.

Agreed my friend. Boycott all you wish. I boycotted super street fighter 4: arcade edition and marvel vs capcom 3 and it's "ultimate edition" (UGH!) and I am still alive. If u want to boycott then do it, but your ass must be crazy if you think I'm going to boycott the ending of HELENA SHEPARD'S epic journey.

I got collectors edition for this very reason.I knew months ago this would happen. It's the norm. That how games are today and how they will be going forward. Get used to it. Buy it, or don't. That's all you can do. Developers don't care cause either way they will get their money. Capcom got their money from the scrubs who want to buy the same ****ing game 3 times over and bioware will get it because I NEED to finish this story.

That's just how it is. Sorry.

[eye basher]

wrdnshprd wrote...

i think this point needs to be repeated..

people wouldnt have cared if a character such as the one voiced by Jessica Chobat was the $10 day 1 DLC (or free with CE). this type of DLC is like Warden's Keep. IMO, still a bit ridiculous.. it should be included, but i would have honestly just shrugged it off..

however, the fact that the DLC is based around a PROTHEAN is where we take issue. anyone thats followed this game from the days of ME1 knows that this character is going to be a bit more important than having a hot reporter on the normandy.

THATS why we are upset.

AHHH yeah i'll take the hot reporter over the prothean i was happy in the knowlegde that the protheans helped by basically disarming the reaper trap and buying time than some gimmick character thank you.

[wrdnshprd]

Draconis6666 wrote...

ThomasakaDes_ wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Legion being a DLC character would have in no way detracted from the plot or story of ME 2 the only thing it would detract from is the legion specific portion of the plot.

You are not serious with this statement?, you are!, Legion is the tie in to the whole Quarian/Geth story, he is the ambassador for the Geth.

Which has nothing to do with the actual plot of ME 2

Having Legion will affect the story in ME3, not having him would too.
If you didn`t notice in the demo, mission 2, Shepard is getting lots of other races to join the fight against the Repaers. Legion will most likely get the Geth on their side becaus of the loyalty mission in ME2.

According to the Leaked script having Kasumi would matter too but no one was screaming about that when it was leaked.

was kasumi day 1 dlc?  NO?  thought so.

[Aargh12]

RiouHotaru wrote...
No it's not.  There's absolutely no evidence of this.  Just because a potential for abuse exists doesn't mean it's inevitable.

Sure, and companies like Activision or EA won't abuse the system. They already are doing it. And you thank them for it.

[obie191970]

DJBare wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...


Which has nothing to do with the actual plot of ME 2

It has everything to do with the plot when it's going to effect outcomes in ME3, but this is getting off track, the plain fact of the matter is protheans have been pretty central to the plot in both ME1&ME2 the latter being we learn what happened them, now we find there is a soul survivor of the prothean species, this is not the freaking robotic dog we're talking about, but a race who managed to send a warning message over 50'000 years, a race that sacrificed the last of their kind in order that the message might be delivered.

Apparently the character is already in the game, DLC or not.  Now suppose you get all the pertinent information off of him in stock ME3 and with the DLC you get to to add him as a squad member and he has an extra side mission that is not crucial to the main canon.  I'm obviously guessing here, but it makes sense.