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[nitefyre410]

Eain wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


your a moron. ff3-2 has nothing to do with mass effect or ea for that matter.


next?

OH MY GOD HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE WORD DEDUCTION.

Holy ****.

 

While not calling you a moron - I am rather interested in the  point you were tying to make by mentioning FF XIII-2.     I do agree with your overall point that  this was done and leaked to see how  the  consumers reacted but what does  XIII-2 have to with  this... they're  were talking about that game  right after 13 was released.

[Ohpus]

Lucky Mame wrote...

HOUSE MDD wrote...

It's a shame in some aspects as i would of loved to see the prothean as i played through the game, and when a big pic appears on the marketplace it kinda ruins it. +5 Renegade Bioware

Same here. Oh well. I guess the story behind the character will have to do. By the way, I didn't expect Protheans to resemble Collectors that much.

Probably already answered in 60+ pages, but...

Collector were Protheans modified over centuries by the Reapers. So there was bound to be some similarities. My guess is that animating a bug-like squad member would have been difficult.

[Random citizen]

Short story. Its a mess Bioware. People are disappointed, and for a good reason.
I will still buy ME3 (pre-ordered the N7 collectors edition, because Mass effect has been an amazing journey so far - truly - and I need to see it through.), but until there are some changes, do not expect more of my money any-time soon.

[El Ejcovero]

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...


And if you have been reading the opposing sides arguments you will see this is abotu principle and ethical business towards customers, not really about content.

Some of it is yes and THOSE are valid concerns, but there are also alot of people just crying that its cut content because its a prothean and has to be important because of that. I dont have a problem with people arguing against day 1 DLC as a business practice, other than the fact that its basicaly exactly what happens with car sales and no one screams at the car dealer when they buy a car and have to pay extra for options that were built into the car. 

Something as serious as a boycott of a product needs to have serious grounds, if your boycotting against the business practice thats fine, dont boycott because its a prothean and your sure that means its important and they are depriving you of something.

But they may be potentially witholding important plot from the main plot (hence why people complaining they are cutting out the Prothean), that has already been developed and is getting released day one. Which in essence would mean they are cutting content from the main game to sell to you right after you bought the game (or payed extra). This is unacceptable. I see your point, but I hope you see why people are angry at them cutting out the Prothean, they are cutting out content they have been waiting for since the first Mass Effect just to sell it to them right at release.

[Tazzmission]

Aargh12 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
are you seriously deaf or blind? all you people ever argue is omg there going the cod right when in fact they havent.

Pk, fine, look at BF3. Look at how ME2 DLC was abused. Look at Oblivion and ridiculous prices for, well, nothing. Look at that train simulator on Steam that has DLCs worth of 1200€, look at how THQ is making DLCs for their games (DOW: Retribution and Space Marine for example).

i wont look at bf3 because i just dont care for that game at all. i dont i admit


what does oblivion have to do with ea? please enlighten me

me2 however i thought was done fair expecially for the prices they were charging


do you really expect every charachter, story , and armor dlc to just be handed to you for free because you believe its cut content?


and im not on steam so i can care less for steam honestly and from your post im guessing your a pc gamer wich explains alot as to the crap you spew.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 22 février 2012 - 10:20 .

[Theory75]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Just to clarify, yea, I´ve played through all of the ME2 dlc.
Now, back on the subject - The main thing here and atleast the thing I am aggainst of is that when developing the main game you cut something off it and sell it as dlc. Selling an incomplete product is just plain wrong. Now I don't have a problem in dlc in general and dlc like KM and LotSB I'm completely fine with. The thing is that they weren't included (at least to my knowledge? or were they in the ps3 version maybe?) in any of the versions that were available on the release of the game. 

Now something as vital and relevant to the whole ME series as the protheans and limiting that contents availability to only the CE version, or otherwise you have to buy it separately at the release of the game, is still in my oppinion, just wrong.

Your thoughts ?

I appreciate the constructive comment, thank you for that.

But, what people are missing here is that From Ashes is not cut content. From pretty much the day the CE was announced (if not then, shorty thereafter), we were told the CE would get a special bonus DLC character and mission. That character was Prothy, and his stuff was intended to be added to the CE as part of the goody package for those who ordered the CE. Now people are complaining they don't get him, too. It's ridiculous.

Now, you have to look at whether or not the Prothean is "vital" objectively: BioWare could have easily not written in a Prothean survivor and still have the game be perfectly valid. Sure, the Protheans are important because of Vigil and what they did to help break the cycle of extinction. But, does that mean that 50,000 years later they need to play an active role in defeating the Reapers? No. I said it in a wall of text post a few pages back: the chance that any Prothean would survive to become part of Shepard's squad was slim to none. Well, now we have that slim to none, and it's cool, but the galaxy would have been fine without Prothy. He's seriously cool, no doubt about that, but plot-critical just because he's Prothean? No. The Protheans have more than done their part to help galactic civilization this time around...we don't need Prothy. 

Every piece of ME2 DLC was included in the release of the PS3 version of ME2, with the exception of Arrival, because it hadn't been released yet. But they made PS3 users pay for Arrival, too. I remember there was a HUGE stink over givng the PS3 players DLC we'd paid for free. 

Always nice to have a well-mannered discussion / debate! 

I too agree, that the CE / DDE buyers should get stuff and value for their extra money that the normal version does not provide, the problem here like so many before me have stated as well, is that the content of this extra - a living prothean.

Now whether this companion is relevant to the main story plot of ME3 I do not know for a fact, but the protheans overall are so vital to this whole game serie, that Bioware should have known better and done this whole thing a bit differently.

My two cents for the moment.

[Draconis6666]

schnydz wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

dangermouseuk78 wrote...


Im not yelling Nor metally challenge thankyou very much, However having read the books, comics and gotten into the world of Mass Effect i cant believe that Living Prothean wouldnt be important to the story. if they are not important i cant  even see why they made the DLC apart from cashing.

Im not against day one DLC im just saying from a story point and how i would expect a Character such as Prothean to be part of it.

Thats Just my Opinion and your very much welcome to yours as well.

Because you have no proof that he adds anything actualy relevant to the plot of the game to make him super important, sure hes a Living Prothean im sure he can tell us alot about the Protheans. The game is not about the Protheans its about the Reapers. Suppose he was put in stasis before the Reapers even arrived,, what useful knowledge would he have then in relation to the Reapers. Hed have none, making him even less useful than Vigil who was a limited VI program. There are plenty of reasons that the simple fact he is a Prothean are not valid enough of a concern to scream for a boycot of the product and insist that he is absolutly crucial to the game.

If you want to boycott a game over day 1 DLC then go for it thats at least a valid concern with logical arguments against it. I have no problem with people who want to boycott for that reason, but boycotting the game because the DLC character is a prothean is not a good reason.

Seriously. The problem is that both arguments (prothean char & consumer rape) are relevant. So when is enough, enough? What is your tipping point? 

The problem is that the Prothean character argument is a weak argument, because its based completely on conjecture without any factual evidence. Its a relevant argument that a prothean character COULD be important tot he plot, it is NOT accurate to insist that he MUST be BECAUSE he is a prothean

You don't even know if hes in game or not without the DLC all you know is that you cant take him as a squad member or do his DLC mission without the DLC.

[tsaio]

DA2=fail
SWTOR=fail
ME3=failing.

Bioware, you used to be a good company

[Tazzmission]

tsaio wrote...

DA2=fail
SWTOR=fail
ME3=failing.

Bioware, you used to be a good company

gtfo! the old republic has alot of people that play it


da2 yea i agree failed


me3 is not even out yet


so shut up

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...


And if you have been reading the opposing sides arguments you will see this is abotu principle and ethical business towards customers, not really about content.

Some of it is yes and THOSE are valid concerns, but there are also alot of people just crying that its cut content because its a prothean and has to be important because of that. I dont have a problem with people arguing against day 1 DLC as a business practice, other than the fact that its basicaly exactly what happens with car sales and no one screams at the car dealer when they buy a car and have to pay extra for options that were built into the car. 

Something as serious as a boycott of a product needs to have serious grounds, if your boycotting against the business practice thats fine, dont boycott because its a prothean and your sure that means its important and they are depriving you of something.

But they may be potentially witholding important plot from the main plot (hence why people complaining they are cutting out the Prothean), that has already been developed and is getting released day one. Which in essence would mean they are cutting content from the main game to sell to you right after you bought the game (or payed extra). This is unacceptable. I see your point, but I hope you see why people are angry at them cutting out the Prothean, they are cutting out content they have been waiting for since the first Mass Effect just to sell it to them right at release.

Right Its perfectly acceptable for people to boycot a product based on buisness practices but the very fact that as you said in your reply "may be potentily witholding" is not enough. Boycotts are serious issues, if people run around trivaliy boycotting things for rediculous reasons it undermines the entire process.

[Draconis6666]

Theory75 wrote...

Always nice to have a well-mannered discussion / debate! 

I too agree, that the CE / DDE buyers should get stuff and value for their extra money that the normal version does not provide, the problem here like so many before me have stated as well, is that the content of this extra - a living prothean.

Now whether this companion is relevant to the main story plot of ME3 I do not know for a fact, but the protheans overall are so vital to this whole game serie, that Bioware should have known better and done this whole thing a bit differently.

My two cents for the moment.

To expand on this, I would ask you to point out what parts of the overal core plot of the series the Protheans are actualy vital to, other than the deactivation of the citadel relay, and the base on mars that gave humans mass effect technology.

[LordEurope]

Consumer relations is a pretty important part in a business and pissing off a big portion of them is not a sound decision.

[Leaser Resael]

Draconis6666 you said that the prothean will have a similar role to vigil, but vigil WAS VITAL to the story since he gave you the virus to control the citadel master control to stop sovereign. So by your own logic, the prothean is VITAL to ME3.

[DJBare]

obie191970 wrote...

Apparently the character is already in the game, DLC or not.  Now suppose you get all the pertinent information off of him in stock ME3 and with the DLC you get to to add him as a squad member and he has an extra side mission that is not crucial to the main canon.  I'm obviously guessing here, but it makes sense.

Then effectively marketing screwed the pooch, they are going to lose sales over this, I'm not one of them because I want to finish the trilogy, but they will certainly lose sales of that I have no doubt.

[wrdnshprd]

Daywalker315 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...


Which has nothing to do with the actual plot of ME 2

It has everything to do with the plot when it's going to effect outcomes in ME3, but this is getting off track, the plain fact of the matter is protheans have been pretty central to the plot in both ME1&ME2 the latter being we learn what happened them, now we find there is a soul survivor of the prothean species, this is not the freaking robotic dog we're talking about, but a race who managed to send a warning message over 50'000 years, a race that sacrificed the last of their kind in order that the message might be delivered.

Apparently the character is already in the game, DLC or not.  Now suppose you get all the pertinent information off of him in stock ME3 and with the DLC you get to to add him as a squad member and he has an extra side mission that is not crucial to the main canon.  I'm obviously guessing here, but it makes sense.

That's my thought too. I personally think you'll run into Prothy at some point in the game whether you have him or not. Any important things to the plot will be settled like that.

Take Liara in ME2. She was there and you got to reunite. She gave some info about how your body was recovered and all that. Then once you got the DLC, you could bring it up to her via dialogue and start the mission. I don't think this will be any different (personal opinion). I think all of the important plot points will be handled by Prothy and if you have the DLC, you'll have the option to convince him to join your squad.

I could be way off base but technically, if it's like that, wouldn't everybody KINDA be blowing this out of proportion?

if shadow broker would have been day 1 dlc, i would have still taken issue with it, but i know im in the minority..

when i pay full retail price for a game, i expect the FULL game, not a partial version where some parts are cut out to be monetized.  people may call that 'entitlement'.. i just call that common sense.

'whats the difference between getting the dlc day 1 vs 60 to 180 days later?'

ever heard of expansion packs?  thats all dlc is. 

the problem is companies arent 'expanding' on anything when they realease the content day 1.. they are cutting it from the main game to make extra money on it.

[Aargh12]

Tazzmission wrote...
i wont look at bf3 because i just dont care for that game at all. i dont i admit
what does oblivion have to do with ea? please enlighten me
me2 however i thought was done fair expecially for the prices they were charging

And did I write anything about EA? Im just writing about industry in general.
Yeah, I forgot my favourite - Prince of Persia 2008 DLC.

do you really expect every charachter, story , and armor dlc to just be handed to you for free because you believe its cut content?

Nope, I don't. I understand the need of cuting sth in the middle of development due to money constraints but I don't really see how they can charge for it especially when most of the data is included on disc and when they cut that late in game development and announce early that they cut sth and it'll be available as Day1 add-on.

and im not on steam so i can care less for steam honestly
Where the hell I wrote anything about Steam? L2R.

and from your post im guessing your a pc gamer

Im a multi-platfrom gamer currently owning a gaming PC, PS3 and X360 and playing mostly on the second one. Oops, your "argument" is invalid.

wich explains alot as to the crap you spew.

No arguments=start insulting, right?

Modifié par Aargh12, 22 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[Draconis6666]

Leaser Resael wrote...

Draconis6666 you said that the prothean will have a similar role to vigil, but vigil WAS VITAL to the story since he gave you the virus to control the citadel master control to stop sovereign. So by your own logic, the prothean is VITAL to ME3.

No I said he is unlikely to have any new information about the Reapers that was not already provided by Vigil.

[Alek the Great]

Draconis6666 wrote...

OmegaZyklon wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Alek the Great wrote...

This is bullcrap, I tolerated the multitude of exclusive pre-order dlc but this has gone too far. Its like If legion was made a dlc character in ME2. This is a horrible business practice and needs to stop. Bioware deserves any flak they get from this.

Legion being a DLC character would have in no way detracted from the plot or story of ME 2 the only thing it would detract from is the legion specific portion of the plot.

This is bull@%#^ and everyone knows it.  Legion is a perfect example of what would be unacceptable DLC content.  An entire section of the storyline involves relations with the Geth.  His presence is required to facilitate choices made when interacting with the Geth.   Your opinion is officially worthless.

That entire section of the storyline is specific to Legion and has nothign to do with the collectors, it could easily be included in the DLC with legion and the entire game would still make plenty of sense. You could make the argument that it is crucial to the plot of ME 3 but then so are LoTSB and Arrival and no one complained about them.

Let me break it down for you.  Legion was an extremely unique character that provided vital, if not the only, insight into the Geth's culture.  Without him, we would of never known about the heretic geth and so forth.  The reason I'm angry about the Prothean is well... he's a GOD D*** PROTHEAN.  Ever since ME1, Protheans have been shrouded in mystery and intrique.  We know very little about them other than the occasional glimpse at their culture is that they are now collectors.  Now imagine the outcry when the only Prothean in the game is FRAKING DLC.  It is my opinion that any dlc created before the release of a game, we are entitled to (unless it it simply cosmetic collector dlc or free dlc with new copies).  But this, this is beyond stupid.  How can you say the Prothean is not important to the story?  He is more than likely one of the only facets we can learn about his species' lost culture. 

[ironcreed2]

Eain wrote...

For anyone not getting this:

If you allow developers to get away with deciding which pre-release content they sell as a launch title and which gets sold as additional DLC, then you are effectively allowing them to RAISE THE PRICE OF THE FULL GAME.

Don't you people get it? EA would love nothing more than to charge you 80 bucks for a game at launch day, and if they get away with a single piece of 10 bucks launch DLC now, then next year they'll be getting away with two pieces because they'll just try keep pushing the boundaries of your tolerance.

This is business strategy 101. They want to see at which point your brains activate and you realise that you're actually just shelling out way more cash for a full game than you would've done five years ago.

Have mercy on your own bloody wallet and defend your consumer's rights. Draw the line HERE.

All pre-release content on one disk, or no sale. That is the stand you can make, and if you make it now you'll be thanking yourself for all the hundreds of dollars you've saved yourself on what would have been morally bankrupt DLC over the years.

I love this so much I felt it needed quoting. I have been there since day one back in '07 and am dying to play this as much as anyone. However, as a consumer, and perhaps more importantly, as a gamer who cares about this hobby of mine, I can't fork over my money to EA while they are dangling cut content from the game in my face like a carrot on a stick. I am tired of being taken advantage of by such greed. In short, long live Gamefly. I'll still get to play the game and EA will not see a dime of my money.

[hitorihanzo]

I was irritated by this until I remembered that I NEVER by Collector's Editions for any game. I was pissed when I tried to find day one DLC for Batman: Arkham City, and there was little to be found. So, I guess I'm ok with this lol.

[chance52]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Always nice to have a well-mannered discussion / debate! 

I too agree, that the CE / DDE buyers should get stuff and value for their extra money that the normal version does not provide, the problem here like so many before me have stated as well, is that the content of this extra - a living prothean.

Now whether this companion is relevant to the main story plot of ME3 I do not know for a fact, but the protheans overall are so vital to this whole game serie, that Bioware should have known better and done this whole thing a bit differently.

My two cents for the moment.

To expand on this, I would ask you to point out what parts of the overal core plot of the series the Protheans are actualy vital to, other than the deactivation of the citadel relay, and the base on mars that gave humans mass effect technology.

The entire second game comes to mind. Collectors are Protheans and all of ME2 was about stopping the the Collectors

[Draconis6666]

wrdnshprd wrote...

the problem is companies arent 'expanding' on anything when they realease the content day 1.. they are cutting it from the main game to make extra money on it.

Thats a generalization that does not nessicarly have to be true, Day 1 DLC can just eas easily be content that is not ready for release when the game is put to disc and finished during the period in between the game going Gold and being available for purchase.

[Theory75]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Always nice to have a well-mannered discussion / debate! 

I too agree, that the CE / DDE buyers should get stuff and value for their extra money that the normal version does not provide, the problem here like so many before me have stated as well, is that the content of this extra - a living prothean.

Now whether this companion is relevant to the main story plot of ME3 I do not know for a fact, but the protheans overall are so vital to this whole game serie, that Bioware should have known better and done this whole thing a bit differently.

My two cents for the moment.

To expand on this, I would ask you to point out what parts of the overal core plot of the series the Protheans are actualy vital to, other than the deactivation of the citadel relay, and the base on mars that gave humans mass effect technology.

Well, you listed quite a few noteworthy and important points yourself already, but what I meant was that they have been present and really tightly connected to the whole story from the start of ME1.

[Ghost Lightning]

So wait. is this that thing that comes with the CE or will I have to buy this separate?