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[SpectreSaren]

People make it sound like the Prothean teammate is like having a Reaper teammate.

Needless to say, I find that pretty humorous.

[Aargh12]

Draconis6666 wrote...
No I said he is unlikely to have any new information about the Reapers that was not already provided by Vigil.

Wouldn't be so sure judging by what leaked script held. And I don't think Bioware changed it that much.

[obie191970]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...


Which has nothing to do with the actual plot of ME 2

It has everything to do with the plot when it's going to effect outcomes in ME3, but this is getting off track, the plain fact of the matter is protheans have been pretty central to the plot in both ME1&ME2 the latter being we learn what happened them, now we find there is a soul survivor of the prothean species, this is not the freaking robotic dog we're talking about, but a race who managed to send a warning message over 50'000 years, a race that sacrificed the last of their kind in order that the message might be delivered.

Apparently the character is already in the game, DLC or not.  Now suppose you get all the pertinent information off of him in stock ME3 and with the DLC you get to to add him as a squad member and he has an extra side mission that is not crucial to the main canon.  I'm obviously guessing here, but it makes sense.

That's my thought too. I personally think you'll run into Prothy at some point in the game whether you have him or not. Any important things to the plot will be settled like that.

Take Liara in ME2. She was there and you got to reunite. She gave some info about how your body was recovered and all that. Then once you got the DLC, you could bring it up to her via dialogue and start the mission. I don't think this will be any different (personal opinion). I think all of the important plot points will be handled by Prothy and if you have the DLC, you'll have the option to convince him to join your squad.

I could be way off base but technically, if it's like that, wouldn't everybody KINDA be blowing this out of proportion?

if shadow broker would have been day 1 dlc, i would have still taken issue with it, but i know im in the minority..

when i pay full retail price for a game, i expect the FULL game, not a partial version where some parts are cut out to be monetized.  people may call that 'entitlement'.. i just call that common sense.

'whats the difference between getting the dlc day 1 vs 60 to 180 days later?'

ever heard of expansion packs?  thats all dlc is. 

the problem is companies arent 'expanding' on anything when they realease the content day 1.. they are cutting it from the main game to make extra money on it.

But, this DLC was developed as an incentive to purchase the CE edition and is now being offered to everyone for a price.  Bioware has been saying all along that they were doing this.  Eveyone is pissed because it's a Prothean - There is no way that the DLC will be vital to the main storyline.  

[Draconis6666]

chance52 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Always nice to have a well-mannered discussion / debate! 

I too agree, that the CE / DDE buyers should get stuff and value for their extra money that the normal version does not provide, the problem here like so many before me have stated as well, is that the content of this extra - a living prothean.

Now whether this companion is relevant to the main story plot of ME3 I do not know for a fact, but the protheans overall are so vital to this whole game serie, that Bioware should have known better and done this whole thing a bit differently.

My two cents for the moment.

To expand on this, I would ask you to point out what parts of the overal core plot of the series the Protheans are actualy vital to, other than the deactivation of the citadel relay, and the base on mars that gave humans mass effect technology.

The entire second game comes to mind. Collectors are Protheans and all of ME2 was about stopping the the Collectors

But would the plot of ME 2 changed significantly had the collectors not been protheans?  Would the plot of the series changed significantly if the base on mars had been some other random race no one had ever heard of since they would have still used similar technology since its all based on the reapers technology? 

The only part of the core plot that would actuay require serious reworking in the event that you simply removed the protheans from existance would be vigil and the shutting down of the citadel, and the plot involving the beacons. They are perhaps an important part of the plot but they are not the key element that holds the plot together as many people seem to think.

[Alraiis]

Eain wrote...

For anyone not getting this:

If you allow developers to get away with deciding which pre-release content they sell as a launch title and which gets sold as additional DLC, then you are effectively allowing them to RAISE THE PRICE OF THE FULL GAME.

Don't you people get it? EA would love nothing more than to charge you 80 bucks for a game at launch day, and if they get away with a single piece of 10 bucks launch DLC now, then next year they'll be getting away with two pieces because they'll just try keep pushing the boundaries of your tolerance.

This is business strategy 101. They want to see at which point your brains activate and you realise that you're actually just shelling out way more cash for a full game than you would've done five years ago.

Have mercy on your own bloody wallet and defend your consumer's rights. Draw the line HERE.

All pre-release content on one disk, or no sale.
That is the stand you can make, and if you make it now you'll be thanking yourself for all the hundreds of dollars you've saved yourself on what would have been morally bankrupt DLC over the years.

The fact that people have such a negative reaction to a price increase of the base product is why this DLC thing has gotten so out of hand. "Shelling out way more cash ... than you would've done five years ago" is how most other products and services work. Inflation is a real thing, and ignoring it is unethical to shareholders, who are also members of the public. The fact that game prices have increased so slowly over the years, even as budgets for AAA titles have increased dramatically, is surprising to me.

Tell me, what is "morally bankrupt" here? You know the price. You know (or can learn about) the product. You have the choice. You have the power. You aren't being lied to. At worst, they're playing off customers' insecurities ("I won't have the complete game if I don't pay more!") and if that were your argument, you'd have a leg to stand on. I'd argue that you should correct that insecurity as it would save you money; however, that's your business. I played DA:O without Shale and ME2 without any DLC. They felt like complete games to me. If they didn't to you, electing not to buy any similar products is the right choice.


Complaining about the price has little merit. This is not something you are entitled to, or something you need to survive. This is a luxury good. Pay the cost if you are willing to, or do without.

But, now that I think about it, I shouldn't try to convince you, or anyone else, to change your mind. If you honestly feel like you are being exploited, used, manipulated, or treated unethically, then you have a responsibility to  do exactly what you are doing: express the opinion and hold on to your money. So, sorry if you felt my post was out of line. You're doing it right.

Modifié par Alraiis, 22 février 2012 - 10:36 .

[Draconis6666]

Aargh12 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
No I said he is unlikely to have any new information about the Reapers that was not already provided by Vigil.

Wouldn't be so sure judging by what leaked script held. And I don't think Bioware changed it that much.

he doesnt give any hugely significant information on the reapers even in the leaked script most of what he gives is backstory that is only partialy relevant to the current situation which is the actual plot of the game. The plot is not about what happened 50,000 years ago to the protheans.

[Leaser Resael]

"It has no more significance than Vigil did" That's what you said, vigil was vital to the story. So if the prothean is anything similar to that, then he's really important.

[tybad1]

i honestly think this DLC is rediculous. theres to much to type, so just watch this video if ya want.

[Druscylla]

Honestly I don't think its bad that people not buying the Deluxe or CE can purchase the DLC separately. Being really mad over it is like saying that because we all get pie, my pie doesn't taste good anymore because I am not a special snowflake. And a lot of games have been releasing DLC - even preorder bonuses later on as buyable DLC. I just found out about the DLC and it was kind of a neat surprise actually.

[Yuoaman]

So, are Bioware going to actually respond to our concerns? Or are they going to continue ignoring this?

[Chris Priestly]

Please see Mike Gamble's thread here


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