Planescapre Torment
Legacy of Kain
Bioshock
KotOR
ME2 is pretty much in the bottom tier, plotholes so huge that in any other medium it would've been flamed to death. Keep in mind, Jurrassic Park was taken to task simply because the "Incoming tropical storm" was forgotten after half an hour. ME2's plotholes make that look like a pinhole.
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#103
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:48
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Oh, here we go.Toshir wrote...
What are these plotholes?
#104
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:49
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In order
Xeno gears
FF7
The Witcher 2
Mass effect 1
Front mission 3
Xeno gears
FF7
The Witcher 2
Mass effect 1
Front mission 3
#105
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:52
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Toshir wrote...
What are these plotholes?
I'm more curious why ME2 was brought up at all as a negative, when the topic is "Best Written Video Games".
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#106
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:53
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In terms of story:
- Shenmue
- Red Dead Redemption
- Alan Wake
- Deus Ex: Human Revolution
- Dragon Age: Origins
- Mass Effect
#107
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:53
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Yeah I don't get it either.
Anyway, people keep naming the same games... and I haven't played most of them. I guess I got my work cut out for me. xD
Anyway, people keep naming the same games... and I haven't played most of them. I guess I got my work cut out for me. xD
#108
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:55
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Any conversation, regardless of its original subject, can eventually be turned to the subject of why BioWare's games (or a specific subset of BioWare's games) suck.Il Divo wrote...
I'm more curious why ME2 was brought up at all as a negative, when the topic is "Best Written Video Games".
#109
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:55
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I highly recommend Heavy Rain. Should be mentioned more.
#110
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:57
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Heavy Rain is pretty good also, the voice acting is pretty meh but the story itself is actually pretty damn good.
#111
Posté 22 février 2012 - 05:59
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daqs wrote...
Any conversation, regardless of its original subject, can eventually be turned to the subject of why BioWare's games (or a specific subset of BioWare's games) suck.Il Divo wrote...
I'm more curious why ME2 was brought up at all as a negative, when the topic is "Best Written Video Games".
True.
#112
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:01
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Gatt9 wrote...
ME2 is pretty much in the bottom tier, plotholes so huge that in any other medium it would've been flamed to death. Keep in mind, Jurrassic Park was taken to task simply because the "Incoming tropical storm" was forgotten after half an hour. ME2's plotholes make that look like a pinhole.
You have to be trolling...
#113
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:06
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Still curious to what these plot holes are...
#114
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:06
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aksoileau wrote...
Deus ex series, baldur's gate series, kotor series, nwn2 mask of the betrayer was really personal and great, Max Payne series is extremely underrated, and I guess mass effect can be thrown in there.
Max Payne was the first game I got on xbox, I loved it. The story was very deppresing but so good, although the gameplay took some getting use to. Im looking forward to the new one after seeing their character animations that put ME3 to shame.
#115
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:07
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Toshir wrote...
Still curious to what these plot holes are...
Nothing massive that doesn't exist in EVERY other work of literature/video game or movie.
#116
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:24
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1: Neverwinter nights 2: mask of the betrayer
2: mass effect 2
3: KOTOR 2
2: mass effect 2
3: KOTOR 2
#117
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:25
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In no particular order.
NWN2
DAO
ME1
Planescape: Torment
The Last Express
Deus Ex: Human Revolution - that fourth ending - Whooooa.
Tie Fighter
The Witcher 2
NWN2
DAO
ME1
Planescape: Torment
The Last Express
Deus Ex: Human Revolution - that fourth ending - Whooooa.
Tie Fighter
The Witcher 2
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#118
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:26
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Random Jerkface wrote...
Planescape: Torment.
I didn't even have to ctrl+f!
#119
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:49
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Off the top of my head:
Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas
Dragon Age: Origins
Planescape: Torment
The Witcher 2
Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas
Dragon Age: Origins
Planescape: Torment
The Witcher 2
#120
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:58
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More than 5 games... No order.
Mass Effect 1 and 2
The Elder Scrolls 3, 4 and 5
Divinity 1 and 2
KotOR 1
Baldur's Gate 1 and 2
Neverwinder Nights 2
The Longest Journey
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect 1 and 2
The Elder Scrolls 3, 4 and 5
Divinity 1 and 2
KotOR 1
Baldur's Gate 1 and 2
Neverwinder Nights 2
The Longest Journey
Dragon Age: Origins
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#121
Posté 22 février 2012 - 07:01
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Here are my five (please note just because I say best written doesn't mean my 'best favorite'. Well Mass Effect is still my favorite and DA2 is one of my top games but just sayin' for others)
01. Mass Effect- the sheer amount of dialogue and possibilities are endless. In fact even as a standalone game without ME2 and ME3 the plot and characters make for almost infinite possibilities. There's something about the way ME1 is written that makes it so timeless. The characters are very believable, Shepard's dialogue responses are more thoughtful (and less streamlined). It's one of those games I'm glad it has sequels but easily could stand on its own without them in my opinion.
02. Dragon Age 2- Now no don't throw the tomatoes and rocks at me, but DA2, despite its shortcomings when it comes to the overall plot, has some very well written gems that make it stand out to me. The personality system combined with the friendship/rivalry system makes for some very well written dialogue. The banter is really over the top as I think the likes of Varric, Isabela, Fenris and Aveline are much more developed than say, Oghren and Sten. The characters' personalities come out a lot more and the story affects them much deeper. The personal sidequests and missions seem to affect your party members a lot more, some of the consequences more immediate whereas others seem to have some pretty nasty (and good) ramifications. Plus the whole concept of family (Bethany, Carver, Leandra, Gamlen) was well written. You can feel your clash with Carver, your wanting to protect Bethany, and Leandra is very likeable (death scene gets me everytime).
03. Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura- Now, the plot is a little weird but the dialogue and overall content is just amazing. Playing an attractive charismatic elven mage is going to be a very different experience than playing say, an ugly half-orc warrior. That's not even getting into thieves, technological characters, good, evil, and who knows what else. The game itself was very, very well written because so much lore and content has been packed in, and the game makes you live and breathe it as you play. Saying the wrong thing could spell death depending on who, and what, you are up against. It's very, very sad this game never got a sequel.
04. Dragon Age: Origins- I won't lie, this game is written extremely well. The sidequests mostly have characters you can care about and almost every character is pretty memorable, especially your most useful party members (Alistair, Morrigan and Leliana tend to be the major three since most people need a tank, a mage, or a rogue). The romance arcs are very lively (Alistair as a female Warden, enough said. Plus any romance with Leliana and Zevran). The banter is very clever as is the plot. Each area you go to in Origins seems to have an impact on the world of Thedas, and each area brims with life. What's best is the plot truly affects some characters (Alistair and Loghain), some characters are tied to the plot (Wynne for the Circle Tower, Oghren for Orzammar) although other characters feel more like an afterthought (glances at Sten, Dog is forgivable at least). That's not even going into depth about your own Warden and his or her background. For a static, voice-less protagonist, the sheer amount of options is enough to be said about.
05. Final Fantasy X- Long before I got into western rpgs I started with jrpgs as a teen back when any cool kid who liked anime did. I'll admit it now, I think most japanese 'roleplaying' games really shouldn't even be coined 'rpgs' since they tend to shun such things as character customization and meaningful story choices (as well as uninspired protagonists/party members). Final Fantasy X has an annoying protagonist that whines a lot. His girlfriend is even a nice-y nice girl healer. However, I will admit FFX is one of those few, and I say few, jrpgs that really took me on a wild adventure. All the characters were very well written, including Tidus. You really grew to have your favorites though even the villains (Jecht, Seymour) are just as lovable, even if its the kind of villain you love to hate. Although there's little character customization (none I should say), predefined party member roles and no branching story choices, Final Fantasy X is still very well written for a game of its caliber. I still don't like the majority of jrpgs (esp after playing such trash as *cough* FFXIII, *cough*), although Japanese developers are starting to look to western ideals (character creation) in order to diversify their games (Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma). FFX is a rarity for what it is and for that I'll say its very well written. Plus the graphics are really good! Just had to add that.
01. Mass Effect- the sheer amount of dialogue and possibilities are endless. In fact even as a standalone game without ME2 and ME3 the plot and characters make for almost infinite possibilities. There's something about the way ME1 is written that makes it so timeless. The characters are very believable, Shepard's dialogue responses are more thoughtful (and less streamlined). It's one of those games I'm glad it has sequels but easily could stand on its own without them in my opinion.
02. Dragon Age 2- Now no don't throw the tomatoes and rocks at me, but DA2, despite its shortcomings when it comes to the overall plot, has some very well written gems that make it stand out to me. The personality system combined with the friendship/rivalry system makes for some very well written dialogue. The banter is really over the top as I think the likes of Varric, Isabela, Fenris and Aveline are much more developed than say, Oghren and Sten. The characters' personalities come out a lot more and the story affects them much deeper. The personal sidequests and missions seem to affect your party members a lot more, some of the consequences more immediate whereas others seem to have some pretty nasty (and good) ramifications. Plus the whole concept of family (Bethany, Carver, Leandra, Gamlen) was well written. You can feel your clash with Carver, your wanting to protect Bethany, and Leandra is very likeable (death scene gets me everytime).
03. Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura- Now, the plot is a little weird but the dialogue and overall content is just amazing. Playing an attractive charismatic elven mage is going to be a very different experience than playing say, an ugly half-orc warrior. That's not even getting into thieves, technological characters, good, evil, and who knows what else. The game itself was very, very well written because so much lore and content has been packed in, and the game makes you live and breathe it as you play. Saying the wrong thing could spell death depending on who, and what, you are up against. It's very, very sad this game never got a sequel.
04. Dragon Age: Origins- I won't lie, this game is written extremely well. The sidequests mostly have characters you can care about and almost every character is pretty memorable, especially your most useful party members (Alistair, Morrigan and Leliana tend to be the major three since most people need a tank, a mage, or a rogue). The romance arcs are very lively (Alistair as a female Warden, enough said. Plus any romance with Leliana and Zevran). The banter is very clever as is the plot. Each area you go to in Origins seems to have an impact on the world of Thedas, and each area brims with life. What's best is the plot truly affects some characters (Alistair and Loghain), some characters are tied to the plot (Wynne for the Circle Tower, Oghren for Orzammar) although other characters feel more like an afterthought (glances at Sten, Dog is forgivable at least). That's not even going into depth about your own Warden and his or her background. For a static, voice-less protagonist, the sheer amount of options is enough to be said about.
05. Final Fantasy X- Long before I got into western rpgs I started with jrpgs as a teen back when any cool kid who liked anime did. I'll admit it now, I think most japanese 'roleplaying' games really shouldn't even be coined 'rpgs' since they tend to shun such things as character customization and meaningful story choices (as well as uninspired protagonists/party members). Final Fantasy X has an annoying protagonist that whines a lot. His girlfriend is even a nice-y nice girl healer. However, I will admit FFX is one of those few, and I say few, jrpgs that really took me on a wild adventure. All the characters were very well written, including Tidus. You really grew to have your favorites though even the villains (Jecht, Seymour) are just as lovable, even if its the kind of villain you love to hate. Although there's little character customization (none I should say), predefined party member roles and no branching story choices, Final Fantasy X is still very well written for a game of its caliber. I still don't like the majority of jrpgs (esp after playing such trash as *cough* FFXIII, *cough*), although Japanese developers are starting to look to western ideals (character creation) in order to diversify their games (Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma). FFX is a rarity for what it is and for that I'll say its very well written. Plus the graphics are really good! Just had to add that.
#122
Posté 22 février 2012 - 07:15
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Radiant Historia was really well written too. Especially Stocke's character development.
...Actually it seems like most of you in general really need to broaden your horizons when it comes to Japanese games. (and there are more JRPGs besides Final Fantasy, Golden Sun, and Chrono Trigger, guys)
I admit my life has been full of Nintendo and PlayStation and therefore lots and lots of Japanese games and I've only gotten into Western games recently, but it seems like Japanese games in general seem to put a lot of emphasis on story and character. Therefore, it's the writing that can make or break many J-games. Heck, visual novels are a whole GENRE within Japanese games that are pretty much nothing but writing. And even though they have their own list of cliches to worry about, there's still some really good gems in there.
...Actually it seems like most of you in general really need to broaden your horizons when it comes to Japanese games. (and there are more JRPGs besides Final Fantasy, Golden Sun, and Chrono Trigger, guys)
I admit my life has been full of Nintendo and PlayStation and therefore lots and lots of Japanese games and I've only gotten into Western games recently, but it seems like Japanese games in general seem to put a lot of emphasis on story and character. Therefore, it's the writing that can make or break many J-games. Heck, visual novels are a whole GENRE within Japanese games that are pretty much nothing but writing. And even though they have their own list of cliches to worry about, there's still some really good gems in there.
#123
Posté 22 février 2012 - 07:22
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But I think ME2 has the best written characters.
But I think ME2 has the best written characters.
#124
Posté 22 février 2012 - 07:24
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Random Jerkface wrote...
Planescape: Torment.
