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[Alixen]

An exagerration, perhaps, but I just started my final playthrough of ME2 before 3 hits, so that I have a Tali romance waiting alongside my Liara one.

I have always found the opening interesting - but damn, I hadn't really noticed just how messed up Shepards remains were. I always assumed that his armor more or less 'held his body together' as he died and landed on the ice world.

This time, I saw the 'x-rays' more closely. The first revealing that that his skull was the only part of his/her skeleton that was whole, and even it was cracked near the spine. His left arm is gone entirely. As is that same shoulder, and most of the lower ribs on that side. I suppose that might suggest that we know which side he... landed on. There are sections of bone missing, or shattered to powder, throughout his entire body.

We also see that after his skeleton has been reconstructed, those various implants that seem to be binding his muscles and tendons back together are all over his body. Is his skeleton was in such a terrible state, it makes sense that Jacob wasn't exaggerating when he said that all he saw was meat and tubes. Given that any facial scars from ME1 are missing, it makes sense that practically every physical feature of flesh may have had to be rebuilt/grown.

What exactly do we know about his/her reconstruction at this point? Were the replacment bones grown (via cloning, even if Shepard himself isn't a clone), or are they mechanical? From the glow beneath his scars, i'd hazard that he is very much synthetic in areas. Being able to punch and hurt aliens three times his size and mass, and being able to headbutt a Krogan with little pain would add weight to this. They are supposedly implants, and I believe that, but it suggests to me a lot of the process was as mechanical as biological. I can't see how his/her organs survived the impact that either liquified or ripped off his arm, but either they did or were regrown, because from the other clips they seem to be 'flesh'. His eyes are plainly not his original ones, as shown by the glowing implants if Renegade. Arguably, (though it can be be story/gameplay seperation) the process can also make him capable of biotics, which I won't discount as unrealistic since they resurrected someone who was spaced and crash landed on a planet.

...kind of scary how much like Saren our hero is starting to become, when you factor in Legion and the 'good' Geth.

It is also interesting that he is synthetic enough to be 'hacked' in Overlord. Does this suggest his bran may also no longer be the original?

I just wondered what other peoples views and thoughts on this are? Any insights into it all? ...any Reaper tech, do you think?

Also, since (almost) everything is effectively 'new' and a good portion of it synthetic and/or enhanced, what do you believe the effect on Shepard's lifespan will be?

Modifié par Alixen, 22 février 2012 - 12:46 .

[Alixen]

>_>'

Erm, is anyone alive out there?

[Jayden Jahn]

I don't remember Shepard being able to be 'hacked' could you clarify?

[Alixen]

Its been a while myself, but if i'm remembering right your implants are hacked. You start seeing everything in code, Neo at the end of the matrix style, if I remember right.

[Nincehelser]

I would agree with the extent of the modifications. I never got Overlord, but I always assumed that Shepard never crash-landed on the plant, just drifted around for a while. The atmospheric conditions of that ice planet were never made clear, but the Normandy was plausibly traveling close to the speed of light, and any object entering an atmosphere at that speed would be reduced to space dust in seconds.

Maybe the implants are just a deus ex machina, meant to add drama to the opening act of ME2, and also as an excuse to change class. Or they may have an effect on ME3. Wont know for sure until we play.

[Alixen]

You find his N7 helmet at the crash site^ Pretty badly 'weathered' too.

Yeah, i'm think that either the implants will be handwaves... or it was Reaper tech/something sinister for ME3. Guess we'll find out, but I'm more interested in what people ahve to say on Shepard's general state.

[Aggie Punbot]

I don't really agree with the theory that Shepard is a cyborg. Anyone that has a prosthetic limb attached to them in modern times isn't considered as such and neither would I do so with Shepard. She just needed some augmentation to replace the missing parts of her skeletal system.

[Nincehelser]

True, but those people were alive at the time. Shepard was reconstructed using mechanical parts, and the theme of the topic is whether those modifications render Shepard more of a human with mechanical parts, or a machine with grafted-on human parts.

Forgot about the helmet at the crash site. Shepard's tougher than I thought.

[Ice Cold J]

Does Shepard have to biotically choke a b*tch?

Never noticed all that... should pay closer attention next time.

[Lyrandori]

My own theory about that concerning Shepard is that Shepard received the same type of technical augmentations that Saren received in ME1. Although we don't know exactly HOW nor WHERE Saren "received" the implants (via surgery or else, we don't know, and probably never will), we can clearly see at the end (last confrontation against Saren's body, or rather what's left of it) that Saren was more a machine than an actual Turian in flesh (judging by the mechanical skeleton at the end I'd say that he was around 60% machine and perhaps 40% organic, something like that if not very precise anyway, just my own observation).

I have no proof but yeah it's just a theory. I do highly suspect that the Illusive Man also received some sort of implants coming from the same technology for his obviously unnatural eyes. And I also believe (theory) that the Illusive Man may have had access to Reaper technology after the destruction of Sovereign (pieces falling a bit everywhere on the Citadel, etc). So, via Cerberus' own findings in reverse engineering of Reaper technology I believe that Shepard received enough implants to survive, and yes he may now be more machine than organic.

The one difference I can think of between Saren's implants/augmentations and Shepard's, is that Saren's came from (somehow) Sovereign itself (as I said, we don't know HOW nor WHERE Saren was experimented on and received those implants), while Shepard's came from reverse engineering of the remains coming from Sovereign after its destruction thanks to Cerberus having their hands on that and using most of their knowledge to bring back Shepard to life. Also, indeed, the glow that we can see within Shepard's scars could be indicative of how much reconstruction (non-organic) was necessary.

Additionally, at the beginning of ME2 when you just get out of the initial lab you can interact with some terminals from which you can hear Miranda cleary saying (from one of those terminals, audio records) that the trauma on Shepard's body was worse than originally feared (and yes the x-ray imagery of Shepard's body and skeleton only proves that it wasn't exaggerated that Jacod said Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes). Surely, "conventiional" medecine (human anyway) wouldn't have been able (I believe, just a theory) to bring back Shepard to life, you'd need something... extra, for that (Reaper technology, reverse engineering).

Modifié par Lyrandori, 24 février 2012 - 04:31 .

[Alixen]

The Illusive man may have had something further done to his eyes, but initially his actually come from an interesting source also. Its in the second graphic novel/comic. His backstory.

[Reorte]

If you play one of the logs in the wake-up-and-escape mission there's something about moving on to using artificial construction in order to speed up the process of putting Shepard back together. I can't remember the exact line unfortuantely.