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[Giga Drill BREAKER]

next thing you know they'll be renting you characters

[Empiro]

aLucidMind wrote...

I preordered the CE for the 360 back in October.

Knightstar2001 wrote...

I don't understand people getting all upset at this.

Because of two reasons:
1- They have an excessive sense of self-entitlement

Let me get this straight: believing that an important part of the plot and lore should be included with the main game (that I paid $60 for on the PC no less) is considered "an excessive sense of self-entitlement"?

2- They have absolutely no knowledge on game and DLC development and would rather spout their factless opinions rather than actually doing some research because "my opinion > facts".

These people deserve no voice when it comes to the issue due to the fact that they ignore the facts.

"Factless opinions" are still much more deserving of being heard than personal attacks, I'd say.

[Xerxes52]

I've had my CE preordered and paid off back when it was first announced.

[SirEtchwart]

Yeah, I've got my CE preordered and paid off. I'M READY.

[JaegerBane]

Empiro wrote...
Let me get this straight: believing that an important part of the plot and lore should be included with the main game (that I paid $60 for on the PC no less) is considered "an excessive sense of self-entitlement"?

Its more that there is an assumption that without this DLC, the game is less than a full product. Considering that this would be a world first for DLCs (even LotSB didn't fit that criteria), there is a question as to whether this is true. Yes, yes, I know its a Prothean etc - you don't know what part he plays and hence the assertion is a shot in the dark.

If the DLC isn't the final piece of a full product, as have all other DLCs before it been, and therefore more likely, it comes across as people simply demanding an extra for nothing. And hence the excessive sense of self-entitlement.

[stgrey]

Digital deluxe edition was pre-ordered and I'll buy every future dlc. This is the end of Shepard's story, so c'mon.

[AlanC9]

JaegerBane wrote...
Its more that there is an assumption that without this DLC, the game is less than a full product. Considering that this would be a world first for DLCs (even LotSB didn't fit that criteria), there is a question as to whether this is true. Yes, yes, I know its a Prothean etc - you don't know what part he plays and hence the assertion is a shot in the dark.

If the DLC isn't the final piece of a full product, as have all other DLCs before it been, and therefore more likely, it comes across as people simply demanding an extra for nothing. And hence the excessive sense of self-entitlement.

This sounds about right

For those who are worried, the simple answer would be to wait until the game comes out and see what people who don't get the DLC think of the game.

They can ask me, actually. I haven't bought any DLCs yet and I don't figure I'm about to start.

[Empiro]

JaegerBane wrote...

Empiro wrote...
Let me get this straight: believing that an important part of the plot and lore should be included with the main game (that I paid $60 for on the PC no less) is considered "an excessive sense of self-entitlement"?

Its more that there is an assumption that without this DLC, the game is less than a full product. Considering that this would be a world first for DLCs (even LotSB didn't fit that criteria), there is a question as to whether this is true. Yes, yes, I know its a Prothean etc - you don't know what part he plays and hence the assertion is a shot in the dark.

If the DLC isn't the final piece of a full product, as have all other DLCs before it been, and therefore more likely, it comes across as people simply demanding an extra for nothing. And hence the excessive sense of self-entitlement.

And people claiming that it's not a big part of the game is also asserting it without having played the game. You can cut away lots of parts of lots of games and still have it be "complete". Take ME2 -- see how many non-DLC characters you can remove while still preserving the main plot. I'd say quite a few of them, but those characters still are very important to the game.

In addition, if the Prothean isn't a big part of the game, I'd say that it'd be doing everyone a huge disservice. A living speciman of what is considered to be an exctinct civilization that created the basis of technology for all starfaring races should be considered one of the biggest discoveries of all time.

To put it another way. Pretend that before this whole Prothean DLC was announced, I told you that you would discover a living Prothean squadmate in ME3. If I asked if you thought this Prothean would play an important part in ME3, you'd probably say yes.

Modifié par Empiro, 23 février 2012 - 07:41 .

[Armannen]

Seriously considering not to. I mean, I do want this obviously stupidly interesting content, but I really don't wish to support this kind of exploiting the DLC market. Way I see it, BW practically chopped off a potentially great moment of the series for some extra cash. If not getting the DLC/CE, I'd probably just play the game thinking "I could totally have that awesome squad mate with me right now ". In such a case, I'd rather just not play the game until i can find it used, really don't want to support this way of making money.

[AlanC9]

Empiro wrote...
In addition, if the Prothean isn't a big part of the game, I'd say that it'd be doing everyone a huge disservice. A living speciman of what is considered to be an exctinct civilization that created the basis of technology for all starfaring races should be considered one of the biggest discoveries of all time.

I dunno. Let's say scientists defrosted a living Roman found frozen in a glacier somewhere. It'd be interesting, sure, but after a couple days only the professional historians would care much.

[MinervaHamster]

DDE
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[Justicar]

I preordered the CE last month.


MY BODY IS READY

[Freakiq]

Got my CE pre-ordered from Gamestop.

[milena87]

Preordered the PC CE back in June (and another one in January for Xbox).

Also I'll buy every story DLC that will come out (don't give a damn about weapons or alternate costumes though, never bought them)

[Empiro]

AlanC9 wrote...

Empiro wrote...
In addition, if the Prothean isn't a big part of the game, I'd say that it'd be doing everyone a huge disservice. A living speciman of what is considered to be an exctinct civilization that created the basis of technology for all starfaring races should be considered one of the biggest discoveries of all time.

I dunno. Let's say scientists defrosted a living Roman found frozen in a glacier somewhere. It'd be interesting, sure, but after a couple days only the professional historians would care much.

More akin to discovering a dinosaur I'd say, and that would indeed be huge news, and dinosaurs didn't even give us any technology that modern life is based on.

[AlanC9]

Empiro wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Empiro wrote...
In addition, if the Prothean isn't a big part of the game, I'd say that it'd be doing everyone a huge disservice. A living speciman of what is considered to be an exctinct civilization that created the basis of technology for all starfaring races should be considered one of the biggest discoveries of all time.

I dunno. Let's say scientists defrosted a living Roman found frozen in a glacier somewhere. It'd be interesting, sure, but after a couple days only the professional historians would care much.

More akin to discovering a dinosaur I'd say, and that would indeed be huge news, and dinosaurs didn't even give us any technology that modern life is based on.

Huge news? Well, I guess it would lead the news that night, assuming something really important wasn't going on.

The next week, maybe there's a followup in the science section.

The next month, maybe a couple of magazine articles.

After that, not much.

[Knightstar2001]

eskr wrote...

Knightstar2001 wrote...

I don't understand people getting all upset at this. After buying and playing Bioware games, did you think that they were going to change how they handle game releases. I would have thought that After DAO,DA2, and ME2 were release and had Day one Dlc,that people would have figured out that they would be doing the same with ME3.

Day 1 DLC  =/= Priced Day 1 DLC =/= Priced Day 1 DLC that's integral to the plot (origin of the reapers?, c'mon).
They can do it, but charging me $70 to play your game?  I'm not going to do that, even if it means missing out on the MP rush.  I have limited time to play games, I can go elsewhere.

Considering that only ME2 didn't have day one dlc that you had to buy if you got the standard copy new, I will give you that. But I can only guess they have already decided that a Multiplayer pass will fulfil that role(which considering that Xbox players at least still have to pay a subscription to gold makes having a free pass pretty pointless.)
This DLC is the same as Sebastian, You pay for it if you didn't get the Special edition.
While people clamoring for this DLC to have been in the main game or free(which is the same thing at it's basic point) are claiming that this squadmate is intergal or important to the plot simply due to it's species and because of that they should be entitled to it,at no charge of course.
Do I believe that this character will be important to the plot of the game,no. I don't believe that this character will be required or that it's presence will move the plot in a different direction. Do I believe that it is unimportant to the lore of the ME universe, No. I am sure that it could and will offer different insights to how we think about protheans and their culture. But that is going to have no real impact on the plot of the game.
The biggest impact I can see this character having is it talking about something instead of Liara fulfilling that role and offering it's veiw and knowledge.
So other then making certain things feel more emotional or intense due to it's involvement, It is unimportant in the overall view.

[Empiro]

aLucidMind wrote...
The character is, ultimately, not needed for the game and merely provides minor insight to their culture and adds a little more flavor to the game. Basically, is the Shale of ME3. It is not important to the plot, only the lore. That said, both points were directed at the same state of mind of "It should be free!!!" towards DLC in-general.

The people saying that he isn't important are those who have heard it from those who have read the leaked script.

Isn't needed for the game isn't the same as not important. Off the top of my head, I can name at least 4 non-DLC party members in ME2 that could be removed without changing the main plot of ME2, but they're still important characters, and make a big difference in the game. And remember -- all comparisons to characters like Shale and Zaeed only underscore the fact that those characters were free, despite the fact that they weren't all that important.

In addition, it's hardly entitlement when I'm speaking out against what I consider a negative trend (from everything being included, to DLC only availabe to new buyers, to day 0 paid DLC). I spoke out against Warden's Keep in DA too. These things never took place when games like BG1 and NWN were released. Back then, I praised Bioware for releasing patches and improvements for free even years after the games were released.

Epico said

aLucidMind said

2- They have absolutely no knowledge on game and DLC development and would rather spout their factless opinions rather than actually doing some research because "my opinion > facts".

These people deserve no voice when it comes to the issue due to the fact that they ignore the facts.

"Factless opinions" are still much more deserving of being heard than personal attacks, I'd say.

Hardly a personal attack, more like stating the truth. Someone who is entirely ignorant and forms their opinion without using facts ought not to speak if they're going to ignore anyone pointing out that they're wrong because they somehow feel that their beliefs trump facts. This is true in all cases whether it be minor, like DLC, or major, like racism. The problem with "free speech" is that the ignorant feel their opinions are as valid as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about.

Saying that I shouldn't have a voice is indeed a personal attack because you're essentially telling me to shut up. I'm a huge fan of ME -- I have all the books, all of the games (two copies of ME1 in fact), and I'm pretty well versed in the universe lore, so I definitely don't appreciate anyone telling me that my opinions don't matter. However, I understand this is a pretty passionate issue for everyone, so I'm willing to let this one go.

[Clearly Balkan]

 Definitely without question.

Actually I'll get it for FREE, because I extended my Gold subscription in January for next 14 months & if you did that you get free 800MSP from Microsoft.

Works for me. 

[Empiro]

AlanC9 wrote...
Huge news? Well, I guess it would lead the news that night, assuming something really important wasn't going on.

The next week, maybe there's a followup in the science section.

The next month, maybe a couple of magazine articles.

After that, not much.

Isn't that the very definition of huge news? What other news would you consider even bigger? In the context of ME3, the discovery of a living Prothean is made even bigger by the fact that Protheans have fought Reapers before. In the narrative context of plots and stories, it would be a huge waste of opporuntity to simply make such a character be an afterthought.

And while you might not consider this big, I do. In the game, I'd have tons of questions I'd want to ask. If I weren't able to, I'd be quite disappointed.

Modifié par Empiro, 23 février 2012 - 08:38 .

[Clearly Balkan]

tez19 wrote...

Prothean should be in the main game, Bioware = Money Grabbers.

U mAD bRO! 

[xentar]

DinoSteve wrote...

next thing you know they'll be renting you characters

And selling games endings as bonus content.

[AlanC9]

Empiro wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Huge news? Well, I guess it would lead the news that night, assuming something really important wasn't going on.

The next week, maybe there's a followup in the science section.

The next month, maybe a couple of magazine articles.

After that, not much.

Isn't that the very definition of huge news?

No. 
Huge news is something like the Greek or Syrian crises, or Israel's upcoming attack on Iran. Things that actually change people's lives. A live dinosaur would be about as big a piece of news as Whitney Houston's death. Actually much less so, since far more people are interested in her than would be interested in a live dinosaur.

What other news would you consider even bigger? In the context of ME3, the discovery of a living Prothean is made even bigger by the fact that Protheans have fought Reapers before. In the narrative context of plots and stories, it would be a huge waste of opporuntity to simply make such a character be an afterthought.

I imagine the prothean will end up being somewhat less important to ME3 than LotSB was to ME2. His existence won't -- can't -- change anything important. Shepard's got to be able to win this war whether he exists or not.

[IlluminaZer0]

I was doing research intending to purchase a new game tonight or sometime recently.

Zaeed and Shale were understandable incentives for new releases. Day one paid DLC is just ridiculous.

Thinking of waiting for a few months now. Will likely get it used -- Hope the multiplayer is still fun by then.