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[AkiKishi]

Rob_K1 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's interactive therefore it's gameplay. Both are the "tutorial" levels of the respective games.

But if you want something else run it side by side with ME2 I just did that on the demo feedback thread if you are interested.

This is going off-topic here, apologies. But this annoys me. Where exactly are the interactive elements in the Final Fantasy XIII-2 Opening Cinematic (english) 720p video you linked?

You are comparing that video, one of a cinematic/cutscene no less, to this video of Mass Effect 3, which features gameplay only. One designed to make Mass Effect 3 and BioWare look bad. Nevermind the fact that the games are quite different. One's a JRPG with overly flashy cutscenes that can be lengthy, while one's... well, Mass Effect. Bottom line, they try to do different things.

And if you really want to get technical, this is the extended intro cinematic with the interactive bits added. That is the combat from around 7:17 onwards: Final Fantasy XIII-2 Opening and Interactive Bits.

As I said, the game has you selecting commands from a menu in a largely automated battle system. The real interactive cinematic bits that have you running up a boss' arm are quick time events. The Quick Time bits can be seen from around 12:29 as well.

So, you don't have an agenda much, do you? Nothing against Mass Effect 3 or BioWare at all, where you try to twist things in favor of your argument just to make it look like your arguments etc. are valid?

I'm comparing opening levels of two big releases of 2012. If you want another example as I said above just compare the opening level of ME2 with ME3.

Do you want me to compare the cinematic introduction of ME3 against FFXIII-2 as well ?

You are comparing 'two different types of games'.

I'm comparing two RPGs. But like I said feel free to compare the opening level of ME3 and ME2 I posted them in the demo feedback thread.

[Monochrome Wench]

Eterna5 wrote...

I agree with them, Bioware fans are some of the harshest and rudest people on the internet. Of course not every Bioware fan is awful, but the bad apples are really rotten. When ME3 releases I plan to take a long break from the forums because no matter how great the game is it will still be a **** storm.

Only after? If things are anything like ME2 then people who pirated the game will post spoilers all over the forums in the topics BEFORE the game is even out.  Its going to get horrible around here.

[Rob_K1]

No thanks, because I've recently played both. The only issue I have is with the PS3 version's framerate not being 100% stable when it comes to Mass Effect 3's demo.

You're looking for reasons to hate the game and no, nothing you say will convince me otherwise.

Edit: Actually, on the off-chance a BioWare dev is reading this: It's a problem on my end, but with the PC version, would it be possible to add the ability to scale the game's resolution to your desktop? It's just that I use a HDTV for my monitor, which means that the screen gets cut off a bit at the sides if I don't have the correct resolution after the desktop has been resized. It's no biggie at all, mind you.

And:

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I
agree with them, Bioware fans are some of the harshest and rudest
people on the internet. Of course not every Bioware fan is awful, but
the bad apples are really rotten. When ME3 releases I plan to take a
long break from the forums because no matter how great the game is it
will still be a **** storm.

Only after? If things are
anything like ME2 then people who pirated the game will post spoilers
all over the forums in the topics BEFORE the game is even out.  Its
going to get horrible around here.

That will definitely happen, yes. Spoilers will be posted without consideration in the thread titles before release, along with the forums being filled with even more complaints I wager at release.

So, for people new to the forum, I'd recommend a hiatus as the game approaches release, if you want to avoid spoilers.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 22 février 2012 - 02:32 .

[jmood88]

TullyMcNasty wrote...

Bioware has the worst fans. Easily.

I concur.

[AkiKishi]

Rob_K1 wrote...

No thanks, because I've recently played both. The only issue I have is with the PS3 version's framerate not being 100% stable when it comes to Mass Effect 3's demo.

You're looking for reasons to hate the game and no, nothing you say will convince me otherwise.

Edit: Actually, on the off-chance a BioWare dev is reading this: It's a problem on my end, but with the PC version, would it be possible to add the ability to scale the game's resolution to your desktop? It's just that I use a HDTV for my monitor, which means that the screen gets cut off a bit at the sides if I don't have the correct resolution after the desktop has been resized. It's no biggie at all, mind you.

Well considering ME2 is like in my top 5 ever games. Yeah I'd really hate a game that was very similiar for no good reason.

Why has no one come out and said "calm down it's an old build" ? I'd certainly give them the benifit of the doubt if they did so. I did that with KoA and the game turned out fine.  But if that "demo" turns out to be the actual game all those people are are currently doing the "happy thoughts" and "wishful thinking" bit are going to make what I've said look like high praise.

[AllThatJazz]

 Reasonable article, thanks OP. 

This community can be pretty extreme. There are some lovely individuals here, but it's a pity that there can't be more open and honest and civil debate amongst fans. It seems as though reasonably-presented and honest, if brutal, criticism of games is often shot down as 'trolling', 'hating' and 'whining'; and on the flip side, those who try to give an equally honest argument in defence of something they genuinely enjoyed are often labelled 'fanboys' and 'biodrones'. Too many threads devolve into mud-slinging on both sides, which is probably why they keep getting locked, and partly why they keep cropping up under another name. It fosters ill-feeling, and that's a shame. I realise that's only partly related to the 'entitlement' issue, but I wanted to get it off my chest.

In other words .... group hug? 

Edit: Also, the people who bullied Ms Hepler did so in the pursuit of pointless cruelty, and for that reason alone. Any potentially valid criticisms that could have been made were completely buried/undermined/devalued the moment these individuals started making cancer comparisons and jokes about her weight.

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 22 février 2012 - 03:17 .

[nelly21]

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. It isn't just in video games either. It's in all aspects of life. Ms. Helper is just a more noticable victim than most. Our generation claims to be educated, understanding, peaceful, creative, etc. But we aren't. This forum is a micrcosm of our generation as a whole. Moreover, it is a better sample of what we are really like than actual interaction in the real world. Why? Because of the internet's anonymity. Here, people show you who they truly are, because there are no repercussions. Say something bigoted or racist? User 2312 is banned. The actual person has not been affected in any way.

We are bigots. Want proof? Post that you believe in god in any forum and see the reaction. Posters will fall out of their chairs to be the first to make a joke and lord over you since atheism is "in" right now. We aren't educated. Want proof? Look at the fools comparing Helper to Hitler. Anybody who has studied history and understands the full extent of that man's actions wouldn't say such stupidities.

We hide behind the internet because we are cowards. We insult others and berate others behind an avatar. Why? Because we lack the courage to put an identity to our vitriol in real life. Because in real life there are consequenses. Here, we're all Nelly 21 or Phaedon or whatever the hell else. In real life, you can't say a random stupidity and hide behind "It's my opinion". No, in the real world, people force you to defend your opinions.

I've said it in other posts and I'll say it again here. Our generation has been an utter disappointment. So much potential and opportunity that our parents and grandparents could have only dreamed of having. We talk a big game. How we're so much smarter than our parents and grandparents. So much more understanding. More educated. We aren't. We should be. But we aren't.

[Rob_K1]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm comparing opening levels of two big releases of 2012. If you want another example as I said above just compare the opening level of ME2 with ME3.

Do you want me to compare the cinematic introduction of ME3 against FFXIII-2 as well ?

I wanted ME3 to be a game that looked like it was made in 2012 not 1990. If a dev had stepped up and confirmed this was a six month old build and those were place holder textures, then none of this would have happened.

But lets look at DA2. Review embargo , similiar demo, "coverup" over missing features. Given a similiar quality demo your wonder why I'm suspicious ?

That 1990 bit is amusing. So, Mass Effect 3 looks like the images from these games? http://www.gog.com/e...stles_castles_2

http://www.gog.com/e...f_the_temptress

http://www.gog.com/e...m_royal_edition

And no, I'm not slamming the games I linked here. Don't really care too much about graphics, though I suppose it depends on the game in question. I remember playing Lords of the Realm 2 when I was a child.

However, I do appreciate the fact that you are over-exagerrating and don't really mean that. But what I'd say is perhaps read what you're typing and tell me that you don't come across as someone with a grudge and such?

Regarding the DA 2 demo and it always comes back to this for you, doesn't it? The review embargo is normal for the industry, I believe. Now, regarding features, I will actually give you that one. Kirkwall changing over time and such, alongside auto attack being disabled (though it is now patched in) springs to mind, but those are the only issues that spring to mind. On BioWare's part for ME 3, the only instance where they could have possibly lied from what I can see is on the dialog options front. I have chosen not to take them at their word that there are mostly three dialog options to choose from, so we'll see when the game ships. However, I can positively say that the lack of 3 dialog options for the most part won't ruin the game for me.

Edit: Also, this is my last post in the topic, unless it's on-topic.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 22 février 2012 - 02:59 .

[Thoth_Amon]

It's funny when people post articles from Gamestop, they of firing someone over a low review score because of publisher influence and Jim "I troll for hits" Sterling.

Jim Sterling seriously needs to lose some weight. That's just unhealthy.

[Comsky159]

nelly21 wrote...

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. It isn't just in video games either. It's in all aspects of life. Ms. Helper is just a more noticable victim than most. Our generation claims to be educated, understanding, peaceful, creative, etc. But we aren't. This forum is a micrcosm of our generation as a whole. Moreover, it is a better sample of what we are really like than actual interaction in the real world. Why? Because of the internet's anonymity. Here, people show you who they truly are, because there are no repercussions. Say something bigoted or racist? User 2312 is banned. The actual person has not been affected in any way.

We are bigots. Want proof? Post that you believe in god in any forum and see the reaction. Posters will fall out of their chairs to be the first to make a joke and lord over you since atheism is "in" right now. We aren't educated. Want proof? Look at the fools comparing Helper to Hitler. Anybody who has studied history and understands the full extent of that man's actions wouldn't say such stupidities.

We hide behind the internet because we are cowards. We insult others and berate others behind an avatar. Why? Because we lack the courage to put an identity to our vitriol in real life. Because in real life there are consequenses. Here, we're all Nelly 21 or Phaedon or whatever the hell else. In real life, you can't say a random stupidity and hide behind "It's my opinion". No, in the real world, people force you to defend your opinions.

I've said it in other posts and I'll say it again here. Our generation has been an utter disappointment. So much potential and opportunity that our parents and grandparents could have only dreamed of having. We talk a big game. How we're so much smarter than our parents and grandparents. So much more understanding. More educated. We aren't. We should be. But we aren't.

I know it's absolutely ****ing appalling. Faceless cretins hiding behind .jpeg masks relaying abuse and obscenity from the comfortable vantage of their parent's basement. Almost makes you nostalgic for a time when people settled with eyes, teeth, flesh and blood rather than shallow, discarnate words which nevertheless seem to echo sharply throughout space of a magnitude both esoteric and omnipresent. There is no way to defend against this kind of callow anonymity, nor a way to land the final blow.
Cowards.

Modifié par Comsky159, 22 février 2012 - 02:59 .

[Mendelevosa]

 From complaints about campaign mode order on game menus to verbal attacks on Bioware employees, BSN is a wonderland filled with hostility, crying, and disappointment. Tired of looking at forums with positivity and exitement, well look no further. If you register for the forums now, you will be able to view and participate in the chaotic bashing of games, fans and employees, FOR FREE! And you will always get to see all the action 24/7, Billy Mays Guaranteed! Don't delay and register now!

Remember, you can't spell BSN without BS. 

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 22 février 2012 - 03:07 .

[AkiKishi]

Rob_K1 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm comparing opening levels of two big releases of 2012. If you want another example as I said above just compare the opening level of ME2 with ME3.

Do you want me to compare the cinematic introduction of ME3 against FFXIII-2 as well ?

I wanted ME3 to be a game that looked like it was made in 2012 not 1990. If a dev had stepped up and confirmed this was a six month old build and those were place holder textures, then none of this would have happened.

But lets look at DA2. Review embargo , similiar demo, "coverup" over missing features. Given a similiar quality demo your wonder why I'm suspicious ?

That 1990 bit is amusing. So, Mass Effect 3 looks like the images from these games? http://www.gog.com/e...stles_castles_2

http://www.gog.com/e...f_the_temptress

http://www.gog.com/e...m_royal_edition

And no, I'm not slamming the games I linked here. Don't really care too much about graphics, though I suppose it depends on the game in question. I remember playing Lords of the Realm 2 when I was a child.

However, I do appreciate the fact that you are over-exagerrating and don't really mean that. But what I'd say is perhaps read what you're typing and tell me that you don't come across as someone with a grudge and such?

Regarding the DA 2 demo and it always comes back to this for you, doesn't it? The review embargo is normal for the industry, I believe. Now, regarding features, I will actually give you that one. Kirkwall changing over time and such, alongside auto attack being disabled (though it is now patched in) springs to mind, but those are the only issues that spring to mind. On BioWare's part for ME 3, the only instance where they could have possibly lied from what I can see is on the dialog options front. I have chosen not to take them at their word that there are mostly three dialog options to choose from, so we'll see when the game ships. However, I can positively say that the lack of 3 dialog options for the most part won't ruin the game for me.

Someone in the demo thread mentioned the animation looked like Betrayal at Krondor I just ran with it.

It's odd how many times the review embargo and a crappy game coincide though don't you think? It suprises me that publishers/developers can think they can get away with that and no be taken to task.

You know the expression "fool me ones shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me" ? Well DA2 was the once.

And then next time it will be one dialogue option. The attitude of I don't like it but It won't ruin the game for me is how we got here in the first place.

[dirtybirds]

Bioware Fans: Chill out. Only a insignificant number of people will actually complete the game in pure story mode, there is nothing to fear, this will not change or incentivize anything.

Hegler: No one cares that you have a vagina. The hate is actually due to your own flaming, not the gender you are. Though perhaps you believed that would protect you from the flaming that any man would know would be coming. Also, there's no need to pay yourself a compliment just because you are not receiving them from anyone else.

P.S: Gamespot not mentioning the comments Hegler gave in "response", and previous comments about her stance on video games, is simply an attempt to frame the debate rather than present the facts. Typical low-class journalism. I of course, won't say that that article is simply a woman jumping to the defense of another woman, because she is a woman and they are in the same industry. We all know that is impossible.

Modifié par dirtybirds, 22 février 2012 - 03:32 .

[Rob_K1]

Sorry, last post that's off-topic and I mean it:

Bob, I never said I disliked the dialog options being cut down in the demo. I simply said I chose to not take them at their word and will wait on the full game before deciding if they spoke the truth or not.

It doesn't bother me one bit if things have been condensed down to two dialog options.

And about the animation, never played either of the Krondor games. But I highly doubt that statement was even remotely true. Perhaps you shouldn't read what someone says and just run with it in future, as it doesn't do your arguments any good. Again, as with the dialog, I have no issue with the animations. I'm playing this game to experience the end of the story. I do not need the best graphics ever to enjoy the game.

If you want to talk about this, you can PM me, but I'm not sure what else there is to say. I'm derailing this topic, so...

Modifié par Rob_K1, 22 février 2012 - 03:36 .

[hitorihanzo]

I have been on many a game forum, and BSN is easily the worst I have ever seen. I think that partially, BioWare is one of the worst companies, as far as public relations/ marketing, that I have ever seen. They allow whiny complaint threads by the dozens, often saying the same things, but insta-close any thread complaining about the amount of negativity on the boards. BioWare also messed up big time with DA2- not the game itself, but the fact that they are trying to be all things to all people. They turned their only hardcore RPG- DA:O into an action- RPG, and stripped down a lot of the RPG elements. Then, when people complained, BioWare let Mike Laidlaw loose (he was never heard from again LOL.) If you visited the SWTOR boards before the game was released, it was even worse.

But think about what Hepler was saying- she wants to make video games that aren't games, but interactive story/ conversation simulators. She didn't expect an extreme backlash for saying such? While there was no excuse for anyone to verbally abuse her, fans telling her what a stupid idea that is, was completely warranted.

[nelly21]

hitorihanzo wrote...

But think about what Hepler was saying- she wants to make video games that aren't games, but interactive story/ conversation simulators. She didn't expect an extreme backlash for saying such? While there was no excuse for anyone to verbally abuse her, fans telling her what a stupid idea that is, was completely warranted.

It's  stupid to let people decide? How is giving people the choice to make the game as close to their personal preferences as possible stupid?

[AllThatJazz]

hitorihanzo wrote...

I have been on many a game forum, and BSN is easily the worst I have ever seen. I think that partially, BioWare is one of the worst companies, as far as public relations/ marketing, that I have ever seen. They allow whiny complaint threads by the dozens, often saying the same things, but insta-close any thread complaining about the amount of negativity on the boards. BioWare also messed up big time with DA2- not the game itself, but the fact that they are trying to be all things to all people. They turned their only hardcore RPG- DA:O into an action- RPG, and stripped down a lot of the RPG elements. Then, when people complained, BioWare let Mike Laidlaw loose (he was never heard from again LOL.) If you visited the SWTOR boards before the game was released, it was even worse.

But think about what Hepler was saying- she wants to make video games that aren't games, but interactive story/ conversation simulators. She didn't expect an extreme backlash for saying such? While there was no excuse for anyone to verbally abuse her, fans telling her what a stupid idea that is, was completely warranted.

To be fair, what JH was suggesting (a few years ago now?) has already been done in the meantime. Heavy Rain - definitely more interactive narrative than combat-focused game. LA Noire - press a button and skip combat sequences, the rest is essentially a convo/investigation/story sim.  ME3 - different modes for gamers who want the emphasis on different gameplay aspects.  If she was the first person to ever suggest such an OMG OUTRAGEOUS thing, then some non personally insulting backlash would be expected, but as an idea it's kind of old hat and not deserving of the response it got :/

[AkiKishi]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Sorry, last post that's off-topic and I mean it:

Bob, I never said I disliked the dialog options being cut down in the demo. I simply said I chose to not take them at their word and will wait on the full game before deciding if they spoke the truth or not.

It doesn't bother me one bit if things have been condensed down to two dialog options.

And about the animation, never played either of the Krondor games. But I highly doubt that statement was even remotely true. Perhaps you shouldn't read what someone says and just run with it in future, as it doesn't do your arguments any good. Again, as with the dialog, I have no issue with the animations. I'm playing this game to experience the end of the story. I do not need the best graphics ever to enjoy the game.

If you want to talk about this, you can PM me, but I'm not sure what else there is to say. I'm derailing this topic, so...

Thats why I posted the clip people are free to look at the clip and make up their own minds whether or not the animation looks like its from the 90's or not.

[shepskisaac]

Many people (on here, Codex, 4chan etc) keep saying how everyone "missed the point" of the attack on Hepler. How it's not about the insults but about what Jennifer's comments on gaming and the quality of her writing. All I have to say to these people, is why are you surprised? That's EXACTLY what happens when you wrap your point up (even if it's good) in ridiculous, vulgar personal insults. Why would they expect "the point to get across" when the message looks the way it does? You only have yourself to blame and your big mouth to blame.

[AkiKishi]

"Poor Hepler did not exactly help her case, publicly stating: "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." Unfortunately, that opened the doors for even more spiteful commentary, because everybody knows you can't defend yourself on the Internet -- especially if you mention that you have a vagina.

Everything seemed to come to a head with studio GM Aaryn Flynn getting involved. After one user called Hepler "the cancer that is killing BioWare," Flynn retorted by calling him a "****ing moron." So now BioWare is accused of treating customers disrespectfully, and the moron in question is going on a crusade and talking about his hurt feelings. Nevermind that he started the insulting tone of the conversation".

Not adding fuel to the fire at all are they. Seriously after all that "false banning" stuff in the wake of DA2 have they learned nothing.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 22 février 2012 - 04:04 .

[1Nosphorus1]

BobSmith101 wrote...

"Poor Hepler did not exactly help her case, publicly stating: "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." Unfortunately, that opened the doors for even more spiteful commentary, because everybody knows you can't defend yourself on the Internet -- especially if you mention that you have a vagina.

Everything seemed to come to a head with studio GM Aaryn Flynn getting involved. After one user called Hepler "the cancer that is killing BioWare," Flynn retorted by calling him a "****ing moron." So now BioWare is accused of treating customers disrespectfully, and the moron in question is going on a crusade and talking about his hurt feelings. Nevermind that he started the insulting tone of the conversation".

Not adding fuel to the fire at all are they. Seriously after all that "false banning" stuff in the wake of DA2 have they learned nothing.

Yeah I had made that point in my post that nobody read earlier, I figured it got removed but alas, it stands ignored.

Is it my Avatar that puts people off? Because I can change him to Hawke if they want.

[AllThatJazz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

"Poor Hepler did not exactly help her case, publicly stating: "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." Unfortunately, that opened the doors for even more spiteful commentary, because everybody knows you can't defend yourself on the Internet -- especially if you mention that you have a vagina.

Everything seemed to come to a head with studio GM Aaryn Flynn getting involved. After one user called Hepler "the cancer that is killing BioWare," Flynn retorted by calling him a "****ing moron." So now BioWare is accused of treating customers disrespectfully, and the moron in question is going on a crusade and talking about his hurt feelings. Nevermind that he started the insulting tone of the conversation".

Not adding fuel to the fire at all are they. Seriously after all that "false banning" stuff in the wake of DA2 have they learned nothing.

This is true to an extent. However as much as I would like to think that if I found myself or a good friend the target of an internet hate-campaign then I would turn the other cheek and be the better person, I cannot guarantee that I would. A spur-of-the-moment, hurt and all-too-human (if unprofessional) response to a barrage of cruel comments is surely more forgivable than the comments themslves, which seemed to have been pretty well-orchestrated.

Also, agree totally with IsaacShep. Very well put.

[nelly21]

BobSmith101 wrote...

"Poor Hepler did not exactly help her case, publicly stating: "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either." Unfortunately, that opened the doors for even more spiteful commentary, because everybody knows you can't defend yourself on the Internet -- especially if you mention that you have a vagina.

Everything seemed to come to a head with studio GM Aaryn Flynn getting involved. After one user called Hepler "the cancer that is killing BioWare," Flynn retorted by calling him a "****ing moron." So now BioWare is accused of treating customers disrespectfully, and the moron in question is going on a crusade and talking about his hurt feelings. Nevermind that he started the insulting tone of the conversation".

Not adding fuel to the fire at all are they. Seriously after all that "false banning" stuff in the wake of DA2 have they learned nothing.

They were angry and they retorted. Then in typical internet fashion, the ones who initiated the confrontation paint themselves as victims. Helper and Flynn displayed that they are human. The people who instigated this issue displayed that they are cowards.

[hitorihanzo]

@Nelly21 & AllthatJazz: I don't have a problem with the option to skip combat being in the game. I think that after DA:2 (a good game but disappointing), I don't trust BioWare not to go too far with things. I'm more apt to believe the worst about this company now, which is a shame.

[AllThatJazz]

hitorihanzo wrote...

@Nelly21 & AllthatJazz: I don't have a problem with the option to skip combat being in the game. I think that after DA:2 (a good game but disappointing), I don't trust BioWare not to go too far with things. I'm more apt to believe the worst about this company now, which is a shame.

I think a fair number of people feel the way you do, hitorihanzo, and that's a totally valid concern. But as IsaacShep and myself and others have said, that point, as valid as it may be, gets lost as soon as the personal insults start up.  That stuff on twitter and reddit certainly wasn't constructive criticism.

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 22 février 2012 - 04:38 .