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[Rockpopple]

I honestly think BioWare should find the people who act worst in situations like that and just ban them outright from playing their games. There's no Right to Play in the world. You act like an extreme dick: harass and victimize someone online or call them at their house, and you forfeit from now until eternity your right to play their game. They hate it so much, then they shouldn't miss it.

They should act that way on their forums as well. They're way too free with the way they allow trolls and dick to malign and lie and obfuscate about the products they work hard on. They should take the worst of the worst and ban them outright. Yeah they tried that once, and I think they should have kept going. They would and did take some heat for it from the media, but they'd soon fine another shiny object to chase after.

The problem with the internet and what gives trolls and the worst like this the ability and empowerment to abuse BioWare employees is that there are NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Hell, if I could punch a guy in the street and get away with it, I'd do it. Companies like BioWare or heck, any company, need to come up with a way that makes it so that if people want to abuse their employees, then there's a price to pay.

In Lieu of that, BioWare and the BioWare forums should invest in a goddamned Ignore button.

[dirtybirds]

nelly21 wrote...

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. It isn't just in video games either. It's in all aspects of life. Ms. Helper is just a more noticable victim than most. Our generation claims to be educated, understanding, peaceful, creative, etc. But we aren't. This forum is a micrcosm of our generation as a whole. Moreover, it is a better sample of what we are really like than actual interaction in the real world. Why? Because of the internet's anonymity. Here, people show you who they truly are, because there are no repercussions. Say something bigoted or racist? User 2312 is banned. The actual person has not been affected in any way.

We are bigots. Want proof? Post that you believe in god in any forum and see the reaction. Posters will fall out of their chairs to be the first to make a joke and lord over you since atheism is "in" right now. We aren't educated. Want proof? Look at the fools comparing Helper to Hitler. Anybody who has studied history and understands the full extent of that man's actions wouldn't say such stupidities.

We hide behind the internet because we are cowards. We insult others and berate others behind an avatar. Why? Because we lack the courage to put an identity to our vitriol in real life. Because in real life there are consequenses. Here, we're all Nelly 21 or Phaedon or whatever the hell else. In real life, you can't say a random stupidity and hide behind "It's my opinion". No, in the real world, people force you to defend your opinions.

I've said it in other posts and I'll say it again here. Our generation has been an utter disappointment. So much potential and opportunity that our parents and grandparents could have only dreamed of having. We talk a big game. How we're so much smarter than our parents and grandparents. So much more understanding. More educated. We aren't. We should be. But we aren't.

Or perhaps the real world has unjust consequences for voicing unpopular opinions, as constructed by the previous generations --- thus those opinions are left unexpressed publically. Made to feel wrong for having such thoughts, made to feel trapped from expressing ones opinion, what normally would be presented reasonably, is now presented with an attachement of anger towards a world that would punish honest discussion. If you remove anonymity, where does the anger go? To the streets, that's where.

[dirtybirds]

double.

Modifié par dirtybirds, 27 février 2012 - 08:01 .

[XxXSarenXxX]

Wow i had never heard about any of this going on, this is ridiculous, i always assumed the majority of bioware fans were pretty level headed and respectful, if you read this Jennifer i think your writing is a solid and i appreciate the charectors you create.

[XxXSarenXxX]

Rockpopple wrote...

I honestly think BioWare should find the people who act worst in situations like that and just ban them outright from playing their games. There's no Right to Play in the world. You act like an extreme dick: harass and victimize someone online or call them at their house, and you forfeit from now until eternity your right to play their game. They hate it so much, then they shouldn't miss it.

They should act that way on their forums as well. They're way too free with the way they allow trolls and dick to malign and lie and obfuscate about the products they work hard on. They should take the worst of the worst and ban them outright. Yeah they tried that once, and I think they should have kept going. They would and did take some heat for it from the media, but they'd soon fine another shiny object to chase after.

The problem with the internet and what gives trolls and the worst like this the ability and empowerment to abuse BioWare employees is that there are NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Hell, if I could punch a guy in the street and get away with it, I'd do it. Companies like BioWare or heck, any company, need to come up with a way that makes it so that if people want to abuse their employees, then there's a price to pay.

In Lieu of that, BioWare and the BioWare forums should invest in a goddamned Ignore button.

"is that there are NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Hell, if I could punch a guy in the street and get away with it, I'd do it."

You summed it up right there, the internet is kind of how the world would run if we lived in Anarchy, as much as i despise police, government, and the law, there needs to be consequences to your actions.

[tobynator89]

Aren't there harassment laws against this sort of thing? Someone call the f*cking police and fine these idiots. Lets see how much they complain after that!

[GuardianAngel470]

tobynator89 wrote...

Aren't there harassment laws against this sort of thing? Someone call the f*cking police and fine these idiots. Lets see how much they complain after that!

Oh there are a myriad of laws being broken with this stuff. Harassment, slander, and threatening physical harm are all illegal in the US. If Hepler had the means and the drive, she could easily make an example of somebody. All it would take is a court order for the IP address of an offender.

EDIT: Unlike with snail mail, it's relatively easy to track someone down on the internet. Which is pretty funny because the main misconception regarding the internet is that you are anonymous.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 27 février 2012 - 11:37 .

[Arppis]

Rockpopple wrote...

I honestly think BioWare should find the people who act worst in situations like that and just ban them outright from playing their games. There's no Right to Play in the world. You act like an extreme dick: harass and victimize someone online or call them at their house, and you forfeit from now until eternity your right to play their game. They hate it so much, then they shouldn't miss it.

They should act that way on their forums as well. They're way too free with the way they allow trolls and dick to malign and lie and obfuscate about the products they work hard on. They should take the worst of the worst and ban them outright. Yeah they tried that once, and I think they should have kept going. They would and did take some heat for it from the media, but they'd soon fine another shiny object to chase after.

The problem with the internet and what gives trolls and the worst like this the ability and empowerment to abuse BioWare employees is that there are NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Hell, if I could punch a guy in the street and get away with it, I'd do it. Companies like BioWare or heck, any company, need to come up with a way that makes it so that if people want to abuse their employees, then there's a price to pay.

In Lieu of that, BioWare and the BioWare forums should invest in a goddamned Ignore button.

I agree.

People can be more constructive with the critism they give. But then again there are people who try to agitate these who do it in the constructive fashion and they are a problem too.

Modifié par Arppis, 27 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[nitefyre410]

aj2070 wrote...

Interesting article on what happens when criticism goes too far.  Figured it should posted here with the tone of some of the posts in the name of criticsm of Mass Effect 3.  Especially since the target of the attack in the article is a Bioware employee.


http://www.gamespot....lement-6350732/

...because someone asked nicely. :happy:

 


the personally attacks on Mrs   Helper are just down right disgusting... its okay disagree with  her  POV.  Its okay to disagree with how  a company does its business... It is not okay to personally attack their employee's because of it .  They have no control over how  upper  managment decides to make its moves. Also you don't know whether they agree with you or not and if they do - they can't say  so because they work for the company.

So  people need to chill with that ****.  Gernes are always evolving thngs they grow, get bigger and  sub-genres are formed... You have  Hip Hop, Trip Hop, Alternative Hip Hop  or, Rock, Alternative  Rock, classic Rock,  Hard Rock .. etc.

The RPG  gerne is just expanding and  now sub-gernes are poping up...

[PSUHammer]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

Aren't there harassment laws against this sort of thing? Someone call the f*cking police and fine these idiots. Lets see how much they complain after that!

Oh there are a myriad of laws being broken with this stuff. Harassment, slander, and threatening physical harm are all illegal in the US. If Hepler had the means and the drive, she could easily make an example of somebody. All it would take is a court order for the IP address of an offender.

EDIT: Unlike with snail mail, it's relatively easy to track someone down on the internet. Which is pretty funny because the main misconception regarding the internet is that you are anonymous.

That is the irony of the situation, indeed.  But people do not understand technology.  That is why people who engage in that type of slander are not very bright.  If need be, authorities can track you to your PC very easily.

Internet forums are a strange reflection on a segment of our society.  There is a lot of enlightenment and good discussion to be had (like I am seeing on some of these pages in this thread) and there is a lot of garbage to sift through (like in the "From Ashes" thread).

[AkiKishi]

Lost any sympathy I had once she tried that comeback about having a vagina.

[PSUHammer]

She shouldn't have needed to be put in a situation for a "comeback" in the first place.

[Reidbynature]

Did a read through of both articles linked on the first page and a bit of twitter hopping.  I can't say I'm too shocked by the crap that goes on, but it's still disturbing to see so many people with a warped sense of entitlement (or morals).  Though it's really odd to see some of those people now crying over any backlash and pointing the blame at anyone but themselves, like the people who wrote the articles outing some of the most abusive commenters.

Also I'm glad that she and other Bioware staff did actually bite back.  Frankly those people set themselves up for that sort of reaction and I just can't understand anyone who seems amazed/shocked when they respond harshly to such a thing like that.

Though saying that, as bad as some of the entitlement that some people have been showing in regards to ME3 or the 'From Ashes' dlc, it kind of pales in comparison to that sh**storm.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 27 février 2012 - 12:54 .

[AkiKishi]

Hammer6767 wrote...

She shouldn't have needed to be put in a situation for a "comeback" in the first place.

I totally agree, but by doing so she engaged in combat.

The reply went something like.

"They are jealous I have both a game related job and a vagina and they can't get either".

Then some Bioware guy came along and called someone a F***** moron.

Kind of lose any moral highground you might have had when you do stuff like that.

Still no idea why they hate her so much though.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 27 février 2012 - 12:53 .

[PSUHammer]

Yeah, that was an odd moment of candor by a fellow employee, but sometimes people do need put in their place. Whether or not his response was appropriate would be up to EA/Bioware management.

[Unit-Alpha]

Yes, Bioware has by and away the worst online fanbase. No question.

[Wulfram]

No, she doesn't lose any moral highground for her very human reaction.

[Gabey5]

It is true there was cricticism of helper that was legitmate but their was also a bunch of trolls who sent her insulting messages.

She should not have taken the bait and insulted everyone [ trolls and everyone else who questioned her statements]

[Gabey5]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

This is not me3 related yet it is still open?

hmm

It relates to ME 3 in that you often see "fans" on these boards acting like spoiled brats who think they are entitled.  Bioware doens't owe anybody jack.  If we as fans like their games then we buy them if not then we don't but they don't owe us anything.  They are a business and like any other business they offer us a product if we feel the product is worth our time and money we purchase it, if not we don't.

No this is off topic and should be on the off topic board. It has nothing to do with the game or series.
Bioware is quick to close other threads of this nature but one's painting them in a postive light that is off topic will stay open it seems

[Wulfram]

There wasn't any legitimate criticism of Hepler to be made. There was legitimate criticism of her opinion.

Modifié par Wulfram, 27 février 2012 - 03:32 .

[AkiKishi]

Gabey5 wrote...

It is true there was cricticism of helper that was legitmate but their was also a bunch of trolls who sent her insulting messages.

She should not have taken the bait and insulted everyone [ trolls and everyone else who questioned her statements]

Faceless trolls are just that. But as a member of an organisation you have to be aware that you don't get to play by those rules and ever look good.

Gamer/Dev relationship is a lot like Celeb/Paparazzi.

[Mister Mida]

Gabey5 wrote...

Bioware is quick to close other threads of this nature but one's painting them in a postive light that is off topic will stay open it seems

It's not really surprising. Just look at all 'Thank you'/'Bioware is awesome' threads still lying around here unclosed. Trust me, if I were a mod here I'd shut this down on page 1.

[Abirn]

Edit:  Removed double post.

Modifié par Abirn, 27 février 2012 - 04:28 .

[Abirn]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yes, Bioware has by and away the worst onine fanbase. No question.

That would belong to the dota genre which has to be the worst community of anything in human history

Modifié par Abirn, 27 février 2012 - 04:28 .

[movieguyabw]

Rockpopple wrote...

I honestly think BioWare should find the people who act worst in situations like that and just ban them outright from playing their games. There's no Right to Play in the world. You act like an extreme dick: harass and victimize someone online or call them at their house, and you forfeit from now until eternity your right to play their game. They hate it so much, then they shouldn't miss it.

They should act that way on their forums as well. They're way too free with the way they allow trolls and dick to malign and lie and obfuscate about the products they work hard on. They should take the worst of the worst and ban them outright. Yeah they tried that once, and I think they should have kept going. They would and did take some heat for it from the media, but they'd soon fine another shiny object to chase after.

The problem with the internet and what gives trolls and the worst like this the ability and empowerment to abuse BioWare employees is that there are NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Hell, if I could punch a guy in the street and get away with it, I'd do it. Companies like BioWare or heck, any company, need to come up with a way that makes it so that if people want to abuse their employees, then there's a price to pay.

In Lieu of that, BioWare and the BioWare forums should invest in a goddamned Ignore button.

This.

I still think charges should be filed against the people who harassed her.  I don't know if it should be Bioware, or she should.  It's ridiculous that so called "fans" would say **** like that, and then when Bioware tells them to shut up, they say Bioware isn't listening to their constructive criticisms.  It's just plain despicable.

Especially since, personally, I don't see anything wrong with what she said.  Yes, it would be pretty neat to have the *option* to skip fights in games.  No one's forcing you to press the button, and combat is not what makes Bioware games great.  (Don't believe me?  Play KOTOR.  Terrible combat system.  Fantastic game.)

Personally, I have my gripes with some things I've seen in ME3.  I've also had a lot of issue with Dragon Age 2, to the point where I can't bring myself to finish the game.  However, there is a difference between genuinely *constructive* criticism, and being a ****wad.  I do not go around blasting Bioware employees over decisions they made.  However, there are issues that need to be addressed, I feel, for this upcoming game.  It's not a sense of "entitlement", that drives the majority of complaints I've seen on here, but a desire to help Bioware find and address problem areas.

These people who harassed this Bioware employee should suffer some sort of consequence for their actions.  Whether it be suspended from the EA network for a time, or what have you.  As for those of us who are pointing out issues on here; I hope this event hasn't soured Bioware's relationship with its actual fans too much, and if anyone gets abusive, they should suffer whatever consequence.  But until then, we do have issues we feel should be addressed.