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[tez19]

Wow she got some abuse, but seriously, gaming is playing games, if she really has that opinion she should go write for movies instead of videogames, i can see why hardcore gamers would be in a frenzy over her words but it does not warrant an attack like she got, but also i believe if you are a public figure and put yourself on such avenues as twitter etc.. there can be no sympathy from me. If she never went on twitter she would not have got this abuse. Also they are only words at the end of the day, i would personally only be concerned if someone threatened me physically, people can say what they want it doesn't phase me, but people are different.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Hello Man wrote...

We'll we all know how the media exaggerates and hypes things up.

In so much as the people won't be planting car bombs any time soon, but cross-site trolling is pretty par for the course.

[Il Divo]

I agree with the article's point, regarding how gamers overreact and will use whatever insult they have to through the internet, but isn't this the kind of stuff that every relatively well-known individual in the entertainment industry has to do deal with? Hepler's treatment is terrible, but it doesn't strike me as anything unusual given the nature of the internet.

[Annihilator27]

jreezy wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

Im going to have to say Sonic has the worst fanbase.

Really? How?

Sonic Generations has to be one of the best examples.I mean jeezus for instance we had people complaing about classic Sonic's eyes.........and the bottom of his shoe.

[streamlock]

I can see being passionate about your hobby-but I can't find anything that was deserving of such personal vitriol toward her. Makes me ashamed that I might be grouped among such douche bags-being on these forums

[Tazzmission]

Bubalo wrote...

Just wow.
An her idea isn't bad, certainly would make playing ME 1 & 2 quicker as I could just skip the combat and focus on setting up a character.

see thats the thing. mass effect does have a skip option if your doing multiple playthroughs and yet people dont say half the disgusting garbage to bioware.


i am actually suprised gs stood up for her and i respect them for that. hell they made a valid point with the gamers feel they aqre entitled comment.

[AlexXIV]

Well some people always go too far. And some really did. Not saying that they may not be bothered or concerned about statement of devs etc. but there is a actually a civilized way to voice your opinion. And harrassment is a crime. Even in the internet. But as people said already, you should expect it when you are in the internet. That's why people are anonymous after all. Of all people I met in the internet, mostly in MMOs, almost everyone who was being too liberal with personal data, especially women, has regretted it at some point. So I always advice people to keep private data as it should be. Private. Just mentioning it because it's about the nature of the internet. It's basically as if people are invisible and can do anything to you if they know who you are.

[Thargorichiban]

tez19 wrote...

Wow she got some abuse, but seriously, gaming is playing games, if she really has that opinion she should go write for movies instead of videogames, i can see why hardcore gamers would be in a frenzy over her words but it does not warrant an attack like she got, but also i believe if you are a public figure and put yourself on such avenues as twitter etc.. there can be no sympathy from me. If she never went on twitter she would not have got this abuse. Also they are only words at the end of the day, i would personally only be concerned if someone threatened me physically, people can say what they want it doesn't phase me, but people are different.

In a world where people get murdered for not "friending" other people on Facebook you have to be on your toes...

[Wulfram]

android654 wrote...

But it wasn't criticism of the company or the product, but attacks against an individual. Did you even read what they wrote to her, about her, over an opinion?

Which is why I class it as trolling.  A particularly nasty outbreak, obviously.

I'm just wary of slapping the "entitlement" buzzword on it.  When it doesn't seem to achieve anything except to create a false link to more general and potentially legitimate criticism of game company's policies.

[Homey C-Dawg]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

It is society in general.  We are living in an age of rude, self absorbed, brats, who think they are entitled to anything.  And it applies to people of all ages.  I have seen 50 year olds behave worse on than 15 year olds.

QFT. Most truthful statement I've seen in some time. The attack on that lady is typical of the internet gaming community (not all gamers of course, but still way too many), and in many ways is typical of the overblown reactions people have towards seemingly everything these days.

People will always be cruel to each without a moral code of some kind. Self control, courtesy, humbleness, empathy, fairness... all very important traits that keep us humans from destroying each other, yet somehow these traits are getting harder and harder to find in people.

[Renegade133]

its funny i think of myself as a gamer but when i see people do stuff like this i have to rethink if i really want that connotation put with my name attacks like are just sad i really feel sorry for helpler its a shame that none of these cretins can have some form of legal ramifications

[Tazzmission]

i agree with this part the most


Gamers who feel this sense of entitlement fail to view the player-developer relationship as the multifaceted construct that it is. They fail to see that a relationship between an individual and a company requires a different set of guidelines, emotions, and responses to a relationship between two separate individuals. Jennifer Hepler is the consequence of that misconstrued connection. She is an individual whose attackers, angered by her suggestion that games should focus less on combat, acted on the belief that they are the only ones who can, and should, dictate how games are made and played.


and im currently getting that attack feel regarding certain posters on this board regarding me3

Modifié par Tazzmission, 22 février 2012 - 02:40 .

[Icinix]

The problem we have now is that what defines gameplay for one may not for another.

To me some games are about the story, the characters, the choices we make as players. Not the button mashing in between. Eg Most of my ME1 and ME2 playthroughs are now with GethSuperGun and mods so I can skip the shooting if I so wish.
Civilization, Rebellion and a lot of 4x games had options for auto-resolving combat so you could get straight to elements of spreadsheet management and watch their results play out without needing to play an element of gameplay you didn't want.

The people who are saying she is wrong are the people who are denying people like me have a right to play the gameplay elements of the game I want. I certainly wouldn't stop you from skipping the dialogue / choices you make because you want the other parts of the gameplay and get bored by dialogue.

If anything - that focus on narrative and choice and story element is what was lacking in DA2 and ME2 personally.

Personally the gamers attacking her and other gamers for suggesting that there be greater flexibility in the way people play their games are the problem with the games industry today.

She merely suggested that perhaps a way of skipping gameplay elements that you don't enjoy so you can get to the gameplay elements you do. Really - this is a fantastic idea that should be expanded upon.

[Muezick]

I could write a lot about how i feel on this whole situation

but it would be a waste of my time because only about twenty-thirty people in the whole world will read it.

I think it's ****ed up what they did to her and I agree with Hepler. My sympathy goes out to her, I know very well what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an attack thats based on nothing more than thinking outside the box.

[Dragoonlordz]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TullyMcNasty wrote...

Bioware has the worst fans. Easily.

+1.  No wonder they're so interested in attracting a broader fan base, when this is the way their current market behaves.

Who do you think they will bring in thats better? You ever played MW3 or BF3 online, the vitriol and griefing going on there makes BSN looks like PEGI 7+. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 02:51 .

[Palathas]

I must have missed something because as far as I can see adding options to play a game how you like is a good thing. By and large I don't think Bioware's fan base is terrible but there are certainly people involved in that whole incident that I would not associate with. I suspect there were others involved that aren't part of the Bioware fan base that just wanted to be part of the linch mob.

[Greed1914]

Proof that you can't win with some people:  Jennifer Hepler gets mud slinged at her for saying games need more narrative focus, while David Jaffe gets mud slinged at him for saying games need less of it. 

[bluewolv1970]

What does this thread have to do with Mass Effect 3 in the least bit??

[AkiKishi]

Tazzmission wrote...

i agree with this part the most


Gamers who feel this sense of entitlement fail to view the player-developer relationship as the multifaceted construct that it is. They fail to see that a relationship between an individual and a company requires a different set of guidelines, emotions, and responses to a relationship between two separate individuals. Jennifer Hepler is the consequence of that misconstrued connection. She is an individual whose attackers, angered by her suggestion that games should focus less on combat, acted on the belief that they are the only ones who can, and should, dictate how games are made and played.


and im currently getting that attack feel regarding certain posters on this board regarding me3

Not close to the same thing. Attacking an individual in that manner whatever her ideas is plain wrong.

Attacking a game that turns out like this

As a potential consumer there is nothing wrong with that at all. Don't want to be attacked , don't make stuff like this. In light of DA2 ,I have no idea what they were thinking.

I don't touch facebook or twitter.No intention to do so either.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 22 février 2012 - 02:45 .

[Carnage752]

So by suggesting an option to gameplay, a completely optional feature (I would never use), to a game, they get mad?

God the self-righteous entitlement of the internet is annoying. This is the product of an opulent society. If the civilizations of the world were to collapse, people like them wouldn't survive one day.

But of course, when no one is there to keep them physically in check, they go ****ing nuts. We need shock collars around trolls.

[android654]

Tazzmission wrote...see thats the thing. mass effect does have a skip option if your doing multiple playthroughs and yet people dont say half the disgusting garbage to bioware.

It does? I've never seen it.

[Carnage752]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

What does this thread have to do with Mass Effect 3 in the least bit??

She's part of Bioware. She suggested something similar to the story mode in ME3.