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[Esbatty]

Bethany is good times! And Leandra's story is so damn sad. And Anders... *eyes well up* My Inner Hawkes are not fans of him but my Inner Wardens would make me tear up when it'd come time to Shank or Run him off.

[Achkas]

-DA2 Anders - strongly disliked compared with his DA:O:A characterization (and I know there's a plot explanation for it, I just felt they removed two very distinctive characters from the world, Anders and Justice, and merged them into a boring new one. It's difficult to know whether the writer was mandated this situation and just made the best of it.)
-Anvil of the Void Quest - one of my hands-down favourite aspects of DA:O.
-Sebastian - my favourite DA2 companion, gave the Chantry a moderate and justified voice
-Much of Legacy's Main Plot - I liked it, I can see the connection between the writer of this and the wrtiing in the Anvil quest.

[HeroxMatt]

I liked Sebastian as well. I felt his conflict was well portrayed.

[Dutchess]

Ah, I was curious what Hepler had written, since so many people were talking about "considering what she wrote..."

DA2 Anders: I don't like him, but I think she has done a good job writing him. Only his final action seemed forced and not that fitting.
Anvil of the Void quest: I agree with most peope here that the parts with Hespith and Branka really creeped me out. Bwuhhh, broodmother... *shudders*
Sebastian: his intro scene was so very cool, but the rest disappointed a bit. His romance is lame and should have gotten more attention and development. I do like his character, thought he was an interesting person, but because he got so much less material than the other companions (especially LI's) I still felt a bit let down.
Leandra: I think Hepler failed here. I have not been able to connect or relate to Leandra in any of my playthroughs. I felt indifferent when she died on my first playthrough. Hepler tried to give her more depth by letting her blame Hawke for the first sibling's death, but overall she felt very flat and one-dimensional to me. She was just supposed to be the dear, sweet, innocent mommy, but even that didn't really come across. Perhaps with more intereaction between Mother and Hawke, but I don't think it would have helped. Gamlen for instance felt much more real to me, and you don't interact with him more than with Leandra.
Bethany: nice girl, but also quite one-dimensional. Carver felt more real and his own person, although I did dislike his whining person, haha.
Legacy: hmm, don't know about that. I enjoyed playing it, but I didn't think the story was all that great in the end. Corypheus was interesting, though.

[culletron1]

I thought anders was Horrible in DA2 but the anvil of the void quest in DA:O was one of my fav parts !!

[milena87]

She did Anvil of the Void?! I totally respect her.

[alex90c]

I find this quite weird, all her DA:O writing was great (Orzammar's definitely my fav quest line) but then DA2 comes along and she creates uninteresting characters like Leandra and Bethany, and infuriating ones like, again, Leandra and then Anders.

[alex90c]

Elthina's problem was that she was far too passive. Why didn't she do anything about Meredith?

[DiebytheSword]

I enjoy Helper's stuff, mainly Orzammar and the Anvil of the Void, but I liked Bethany and Sebastian enough. Anders though, wow, way to not get the spirit of the character from his first appearance. I hate him in DA2 so much that its ruined him for me in DA Awakening.

[AbsoluteApril]

I think* the only work I enjoyed more in the DA series besides Hepler was Gaider. I enjoyed all the characters she wrote, some I love to hate. The dwarf commoner origin is a favorite and I really enjoyed legacy, the lore and learning more about Hawke's past. Anvil was fantastic.

*is there a list that shows who wrote what?

[Wulfram]

alex90c wrote...

Elthina's problem was that she was far too passive. Why didn't she do anything about Meredith?

Meredith's the one with the swords.

[Blacklash93]

DiebytheSword wrote...
Anders though, wow, way to not get the spirit of the character from his first appearance. I hate him in DA2 so much that its ruined him for me in DA Awakening.

She did get his spirit in Awakening. She also got the huge change that occured within him between Awakening and DA2.

The merge with Anders/Justice turned him into a bi-polar zealot blinded by his own rage and spite for the Templars. Those seeds of that rage and spite were already in Awakening and were very well developed into his character in DA2 when you take into account the merge that turned him into an extremist.

His character also got the point across of the dangers of even well-intentioned posessions. Justice and Anders thought merging would bring out the best of both of them to create change, but instead it destroyed both their personalities and created a two-faced abomination. Small shards of the good parts of of Anders and Justice were still there, but for the most part they became a monster that represented the worst of both of them.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 février 2012 - 10:39 .

[Brockololly]

Hepler did fine with Origins and the Dwarven stuff.

But DA2? I'm sorry, but if she wrote the whole hamfisted "Tranquil Solution" crap (and it was crap) then, you lose any good will.

I mean, really? You have Sebastian making a "witty" nod to the Holocaust in banter with Anders?

So your "Tranquil Solution" was hardly the holocaust you imagined?

Stay classy BioWare. Thats up there with ESPN botching the Jeremy Lin headline.

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 février 2012 - 10:49 .

[Elhanan]

Brockololly wrote...

Hepler did fine with Origins and the Dwarven stuff.

But DA2? I'm sorry, but if she wrote the whole hamfisted "Tranquil Solution" crap (and it was crap) then, you lose any good will.

I mean, really? You have Sebastian making a "witty" nod to the Holocaust in banter with Anders?
Stay classy BioWare. Thats up there with ESPN botching the Jeremy Lin headline.

Guess I am not in lockstep with this mindset, as I find the writing for the entire DA series to be top rate and entertaining. While some of the way the story was presented could be improved (eg more time with Bethany and Mom), the tales of both games have been entertaining and engaging. IMO.


And holocaust is a word with greater defintion than one singular event; not even the same field as this current penalty flag.

[Blacklash93]

Brockololly wrote...

But DA2? I'm sorry, but if she wrote the whole hamfisted "Tranquil Solution" crap (and it was crap) then, you lose any good will.

I mean, really? You have Sebastian making a "witty" nod to the Holocaust in banter with Anders?

So your "Tranquil Solution" was hardly the holocaust you imagined?

Stay classy BioWare. Thats up there with ESPN botching the Jeremy Lin headline.

How is that hamfisted? It's comparable and actually a little clever. Systematically stripping an entire population of their emotion and humanity to be servants versus outright killing them seems pretty similar to me.

And as the above poster said, holocaust has a greater definition. It's obviously a reference to THE Holocaust with the "Tranquil Solution" thing thrown in, but how is that offensive? Plenty of modern works make plotlines and references to the Holocaust.

And that one plot makes her lose your "good will"? Are you really that sensitive?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 février 2012 - 11:14 .

[Brockololly]

Elhanan wrote...
And holocaust is a word with greater defintion than one singular event; not even the same field as this current penalty flag.

Sure, but you can't tell me that in the course of development, they came up with the notion of "The Tranquil Solution"  and weren't in some way thinking of Germany in the 30s/40s. And then to use the word 'holocaust' in that banter as yet another word? Please. They could have used any number of other words beyond holocaust there. The context is clearly trying to connect it to the Holocaust that actually happened in the real world.

Its about as subtle as Gaider smacking you in the face with a frying pan and screaming " HEY THOSE TEMPLARS ARE LIKE THE ****S! FINAL SOLUTION? HOLOCAUST? GET IT?" Its totally unnecessary.

Blacklash93 wrote...
How is that hamfisted? It's comparable and actually a little  clever. Stripping an entire population of their emotion and humanity  to be servants versus outright killing them seems pretty similar to  me.

Its about as clever as if they gave the Templars involved little Hitler mustaches and Swastika armbands. Trying to draw an allusion between actual human suffering and the deaths of millions of real people in the real world to a half baked video game plot is tacky at best. Leave the imaginary tragedies of Dragon Age in Dragon Age and don't try to poorly equivocate them to real events.  They could have done a similar plot without the overt allusions to the actual Holocaust and it would have been far better. As it is, its bad writing that pulls me out of the game and thinking "Did they actually try to make an allusion to the Holocaust and Hitler's Final Solution in a video game?"

Filament wrote...
What on earth are you talking about?  "Holocaust" was used there in a general sense, it wasn't a "witty nod"  to anything. He was just commenting on how the tranquil solution wasn't  as dire as Anders made it seem. And I don't remember a single person  being offended by that until just now...

Again, yes, its a fine word to use, but in the context of the "Tranquil Solution" you can't tell me that the writers didn't see how that can't be directly linked to the real world events of **** Germany. Its like ESPN putting up the headline "****** in the Armor" after Jeremy Lin lost his first game as starter. On its own, its a headline like any other but in the context of knowing Lin is an Asian American, it can be seen as offensive or insensitive.

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 février 2012 - 11:34 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

They're Canadians. They're not as touchy about offending people as Americans are.

I wasn't aware of Jennifer's specific resume. I'm impressed. Sebastian was the only DA2 companion I really liked, and the Hespith/Broodmother sequence in DAO is brilliant. Someone should have given her an award for that.

[Blacklash93]

It was the idea of ONE Templar. An idea that was rejected by the rest of them. It's not slapping a **** brand on the Templars.

I'm actaully laughing at the fact someone finds this offensive. It doesn't try to diminish the travesty the Holocaust was in the least. The "Tranquil Solution" sounds very similar to the "Final Solution" and referencing that should not be offensive in the least.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 février 2012 - 11:44 .

[Atakuma]

Brockololly wrote...

Filament wrote...
What on earth are you talking about?  "Holocaust" was used there in a general sense, it wasn't a "witty nod"  to anything. He was just commenting on how the tranquil solution wasn't  as dire as Anders made it seem. And I don't remember a single person  being offended by that until just now...

Again, yes, its a fine word to use, but in the context of the "Tranquil Solution" you can't tell me that the writers didn't see how that can't be directly linked to the real world events of **** Germany. Its like ESPN putting up the headline "****** in the Armor" after Jeremy Lin lost his first game as starter. On its own, its a headline like any other but in the context of knowing Lin is an Asian American, it can be seen as offensive or insensitive.

Those two instances are nothing alike, holocaust has no derogatory double meaning, it was used correctly in the proper context. You are trying to make something out of nothing here.

[Brockololly]

Blacklash93 wrote...
I'm actaully laughing at the fact someone finds this offensive. It doesn't try to diminish the travesty the Holocaust was in the least. The "Tranquil Solution" sounds very similar to the "Final Solution" and referencing that should not be offensive in the least.

I'll take a step back in that I don't find it especially offensive, but just very tacky and hamfisted writing.