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[Soundsystem]

blacqout wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

blacqout wrote...

I'm not ignoring anything, toolbox, you are. Do you really think that it's scientific to not look at the differing circumstances between the two polls?

I'll give you a hint: It's not.

I'm a social scientist, so i know what i'm talking about. It's not a huge leap of logic to assume that those rabid in their anti-blonde stance were more likely to have voted in both polls, while those happy with the first resolution would have had the whole fiasco sink to the recesses of their mind.

You're not a "social scientist". Because that is not actually any kind of job title. It refers to people who work in the social sciences. The only thing close to a "social scientist" in general would be someone with a degree in sociology. But if you had that you would know the proper terms, call yourself a sociologist and actually understand how statistics work. (I say this as a social worker with a minor in women's studies, who has taken university level stats and sociology courses).

But that's all moot because on your Tumblr you announce that " My name is Valentin Seleznyov and i'm a 25 year old kitchen and bathroom designer".

I'm quite aware that it's not a job title. I'm a social scientist in the same sense that i'm a musician and a champion of the blonde cause. Generally there is more to a person than what they do for a living.

And it is you that doesn't seem to understand how statistics work. You're ignoring the very clear discrepancies between the two polls. To assume that the same proportion of views were represented in the second poll is extraordinarily dumb.

But i suppose you need to ignore the tough questions to force your amateurish view.

I have addressed your assumption in a previous post. Scroll back and read it again if you're still confused. Maybe go slower this time. Maybe the words I used were too big. Sound them out.

And again, as I have said "Again, I maintain that if the second poll truly was skewed in the way that you claim, there would be (as there was following blonde Shepard) a large amount of people on BSN complaining about the poll. However, given that it is just you it seems that you are just grumpy that blonde Shep lost". 

To assume vast amounts of people feel the same as you while everyone in this thread has disagreed is extraordinarily dumb.

Although, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised you don't agree with me. After reading your Tumblr and learning that you think DAII is a much better game than skyrim and that you think the guy from "Ancient Aliens" is a genius... I shouldn't be at all surprised you don't understand stats and logic and actual facts.

[Mx_CN3]

blacqout wrote...

That is simply not the case, and as a theory doesn't fit the observed evidence and voting statistics.

This is what happened: there were two polls, one after the other.  They were delivered via the same medium, to what we
can assume is mostly the same people (some missed one or the other, some weren't Facebook fans/BSN members, etc).

The outcome of the first poll was largely in the blonde's favor.  The outcome of the second poll was resoundingly in the redhead's favor (a poll which, I might add, had the exact same blonde choice).

Anyone that knows anything about statistics can assume, due to the sample size and completely identical means of polling, that it was a fair poll.  And those people would all say that the polls were not skewed.

Your assumption, that the was some sort of polling skew, does not add up.  You could argue the blonde's case if there was a different measure of polling, or if it was a much smaller sample size, or if the poll was much closer, but none of these is the case.

You are looking for hidden variables when they have all been, more or less, controlled for.

And besides all of that, your argument is that only people that were unhappy with the blonde Shepard voted.  To that I ask, why didn't the people that liked blonde Shepard just vote for her again?  Options are that they didn't care, they missed the poll, or they voted for someone else.  We can toss out the missing, because everyone was given an equal chance to vote.  If they didn't care, why should their opinions on Femshep count?  As for the last one, well, I can assure you that there are people that voted for blonde then redhead; I'm one of them.

If you're going to argue your case, please actually make a clear argument.  You know, the things that you (should) learn in college, those things that any credible "social scientist" would be able to produce.

Edit for formatting.

Modifié par Mx_CN3, 23 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[blacqout]

About 30 different users have posted in this thread, and it's not exactly titled in a way that would draw those annoyed over the issue. Your current line of thinking is a fallacy, as is the idea that every Mass Effect fan posts on this forum.

You appear quite simple, so yeah - it's not surprising an intellectual dynamo such as myself would hold a contrasting opinion.

[blacqout]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

 We can toss out the missing, because everyone was given an equal chance to vote. 

Uhm, no. 40,000 less people voted in the second poll... so rather a lot of people would appear to have missed it. Those most likely to not have missed it are those that complained and were generally unhappy with the initial result.

I myself stopped following the story after blonde Shepard won, and only discovered the second poll after it had been conducted.

[blacqout]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

blacqout wrote...

40 percent of the original votes went for the blonde. Trying to pass off the relative few that claimed to have voted for the style as the majority of those that voted for her is rather silly.

And again, those that weren't totally happy are the ones that would have been more likely to follow the story and vote in the second poll. There is a huge difference in the number of participants, and it's amazing that i'm the only one addressing it.

But i suppose we can't all be geniuses.

Your boasting eliminates quite a bit of your credibility, and severely hinders professionalism.

You say "relative few," but do you know a number? A percentage? No? Then, as a scientist, I'm sure you understand that you can't make assumptions based your opinions.

And, also, as a scientist as you say you are, you'll realize that you're slanting facts simply by virtue of having a stake in the issue. No double-blinds in place here.

And, on your second point, while it might be said that the ones who weren't happy followed the second poll, and the ones who were happy didn't follow it, it might also be said that:

A: The second poll was put together with much less fanfare, and thus much less knowledge of it by the public. This would affect the amount of poeple seeing it

B: Noting that this was Facebook (or a fairly-completely open area), and noting the amount of publicity EA has been drumming up for this game, the first poll was voted on by people who have no more than a passing interest in the game. They then went on with their lives, and didn't notice the second, less publicized poll.

The game is going to sell more than 80,000 copies, many of which will be bought by people that have never visited this forum. You don't need to be an uber-fan to have an opinion, and those that don't regularly talk about the game online deserve just as much of a say.

But thanks for finally accepting that the second poll, by virtue of being less publicised, slanted the results.

[blacqout]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
 A scientist recognizes his/her failures.

I can't recognise something that isn't there.

Modifié par blacqout, 23 février 2012 - 04:27 .

[Ellkol1138]

HEY!

How many blondes does it take to screw in a lightbulb!

100! One to hold the bulb in and place and 99 to turn the house around.

I did see quite alot of like the blonde hairstyle but a different color.

I seem to recall the OP doing something very similar to this during the voting and basically trying to throw this "intellectual dynamo" babble around also. So basically a troll.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

[blacqout]

Ellkol1138 wrote...

HEY!

How many blondes does it take to screw in a lightbulb!

100! One to hold the bulb in and place and 99 to turn the house around.

I did see quite alot of like the blonde hairstyle but a different color.

I seem to recall the OP doing something very similar to this during the voting and basically trying to throw this "intellectual dynamo" babble around also. So basically a troll.

You must be mistaken. I rarely visit these forums, and wasn't aware of the secondary poll.

I did ask some tough questions about the results a month or so later, though.

[Rockworm503]

 Nice trolling OP but I didn't even have to finish reading the first page to see the trancperancy here.
This has nothing to do with the metal box the OP wanted to bring this back from the dead so they can call everyone a sexist pig.
Oh no my first femshep is a red head I must be a mysoginist *rolls eyes*

[blacqout]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

blacqout wrote...

I can't recognise something that isn't there.

And, you've crossed over from acting silly to trolling territory. Deliberately creating an inflamatory topic, and insulting others who don't agree with you.

I think you'll find this "soundsystem" person attempted to insult me for my reverence of Giorgio A Tsoukalos first.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

blacqout wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
 A scientist recognizes his/her failures.

I can't recognise something that isn't there.

Yes. Failure is subjective:

[Eragondragonrider]

So the CE box is made of cookies or tin?

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

I don't get it. I had to stop watching South Park after they insulted Scientology, so probably jhaven't seen that episode.

But thanks. It's difficult being a champion of morality sometimes.

[blacqout]

Rockworm503 wrote...

 Nice trolling OP but I didn't even have to finish reading the first page to see the trancperancy here.
This has nothing to do with the metal box the OP wanted to bring this back from the dead so they can call everyone a sexist pig.
Oh no my first femshep is a red head I must be a mysoginist *rolls eyes*

False equivalency.

Did you make any misogynstic complaints about the blonde Shepard? No? Then nothing i said infers that i consider you a misogynist.

[Mx_CN3]

blacqout wrote...

Mx_CN3 wrote...

 We can toss out the missing, because everyone was given an equal chance to vote. 

Uhm, no. 40,000 less people voted in the second poll... so rather a lot of people would appear to have missed it. Those most likely to not have missed it are those that complained and were generally unhappy with the initial result.

I myself stopped following the story after blonde Shepard won, and only discovered the second poll after it had been conducted.

I don't know how to make this any more clear: the people were given equal chances to vote.  The fact that less people voted means that less people cared.  It's not as if BioWare made one of the polls very public, then quietly slipped in the second one.  Both were announced on Facebook and on BSN (not sure about other mediums, those are two I saw).  What you're implying is that 40,000 less people saw the second poll, which is not something that even an elementary statician would accept as plausible.

Another fact you seem to be just moving around: redhead won by a massive amount.  In the first poll, blond won by a large amount, and as you said, there were more people in the first poll.  I'll even be nice and say that the blonde won at 40%.  I'm not exactly sure how many voted in the first (I'm guessing ~65,000, since you say there were ~40,000 more than the second, and didn't refute my claim of ~25,000 in the second).  That's ~26,000 people that theoretically voted for blonde.  Are you really going to tell me that less than 20% of the people that voted for blonde Shepard in the first poll voted for her in the second?  ~21,000 people is a lot of people to suddenly go missing.

Which leads me to what I said earlier: they probably didn't care.  And if they didn't care, why should they decide?

Now, I like a good argument as much as the next person, but really, "dynamo"?  You're either a troll or someone who thinks very highly of themself, and I can't decide which is worse.

[Soundsystem]

blacqout wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

blacqout wrote...

I can't recognise something that isn't there.

And, you've crossed over from acting silly to trolling territory. Deliberately creating an inflamatory topic, and insulting others who don't agree with you.

I think you'll find this "soundsystem" person attempted to insult me for my reverence of Giorgio A Tsoukalos first.

Take it as an insult if you wish.

I was using it to show that you don't rely on facts, or stats or logic to believe something. Thus that logical, scientific and statistically grounded arguments won't sway you, so I shouldn't be surprised my arguments are ignored.

It's called a statement.

[Ellkol1138]

Ah here we go http://social.biowar...index/8221089/1

Same kind of thread and I seem to recall him taking part in one of the multi hundred pages.after the voting.

Same kind of pseudo-intellectual BS trolling

[aksoileau]

And here I was thinking there was actually 8 pages worth of material dissecting the metal content of the case....

[iSignIn]

Magnesium-Aluminum alloy, most likely.

[Ellkol1138]

aksoileau wrote...

And here I was thinking there was actually 8 pages worth of material dissecting the metal content of the case....

That was never the point of the thread, but it's probably the same kind of thin steel used for other CE and cookie tins.

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

supergeek wrote...

blacqout wrote...

deadshame wrote...

Are you seriously comparing blonde jokes to black jokes? No. Just...no.

Yes. Making derogatory remarks about one physical trait is just as bad as making derogatory remarks about another physical trait.

No really, you should stop.  That's just offensive.

Also, only misogynists voted for redhead femshep?  Wow, thanks for that sweeping generalization, oh valiant champion of morality...

1. No it isn't. What's offensive is the belief that it's somehow okay to treat blonde people worse than black people. Suggesting that a pretty blonde woman must be a bimbo is precisely as bad as implying that an urbany black 20-something must be a criminal.

2. I never said that.

Dear lord this is insane.
You realize you're insine right?
I've met blondes who purposley pretended to be stupid because they thought it was funny.
Smartest people i've ever met.
Get off your high horse its not about misoginy or treating them like anything else its about HAVING A SENSE OF HUMOR.
You should find one.