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[blacqout]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mx_CN3 wrote...

 We can toss out the missing, because everyone was given an equal chance to vote. 

Uhm, no. 40,000 less people voted in the second poll... so rather a lot of people would appear to have missed it. Those most likely to not have missed it are those that complained and were generally unhappy with the initial result.

I myself stopped following the story after blonde Shepard won, and only discovered the second poll after it had been conducted.

I don't know how to make this any more clear: the people were given equal chances to vote.  The fact that less people voted means that less people cared.  It's not as if BioWare made one of the polls very public, then quietly slipped in the second one.  Both were announced on Facebook and on BSN (not sure about other mediums, those are two I saw).  What you're implying is that 40,000 less people saw the second poll, which is not something that even an elementary statician would accept as plausible.

Another fact you seem to be just moving around: redhead won by a massive amount.  In the first poll, blond won by a large amount, and as you said, there were more people in the first poll.  I'll even be nice and say that the blonde won at 40%.  I'm not exactly sure how many voted in the first (I'm guessing ~65,000, since you say there were ~40,000 more than the second, and didn't refute my claim of ~25,000 in the second).  That's ~26,000 people that theoretically voted for blonde.  Are you really going to tell me that less than 20% of the people that voted for blonde Shepard in the first poll voted for her in the second?  ~21,000 people is a lot of people to suddenly go missing.

Which leads me to what I said earlier: they probably didn't care.  And if they didn't care, why should they decide?

Now, I like a good argument as much as the next person, but really, "dynamo"?  You're either a troll or someone who thinks very highly of themself, and I can't decide which is worse.

The second poll was not as widely publicised. You can deny it, but it is a fact.

If someone cared enough to vote the first time, why wouldn't they vote the second time? Because they didn't know about it, obviously. It's probably difficult for you to imagine, but some people don't live and breathe Mass Effect. There are plenty of casual fans, and it's rather offputting that you seem to be of the belief they don't deserve to have an input.

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

bwg888 wrote...

I think you watch a lot of tv and movies, you're really blowing up a barely-existent stereotype. Those kinds of women you're talking about are more judged by their manner, speech, clothes, etc. And a huge, huge amount of them dye their hair blonde if it isn't already. Seriously, though, your comparison is just silly. People just... don't do that. Prejudging by hair color?

supergeek wrote...

The difference is I've never met anyone
who actually assumes that because a woman is blonde and attractive she
must be a bimbo.

Me neither

http://www.pcgamer.c...blonde-shepard/

No. People don't do that at all.

haha using that article like it has any weight good day sir I'm done here.

[blacqout]

Soundsystem wrote...

blacqout wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

blacqout wrote...

I can't recognise something that isn't there.

And, you've crossed over from acting silly to trolling territory. Deliberately creating an inflamatory topic, and insulting others who don't agree with you.

I think you'll find this "soundsystem" person attempted to insult me for my reverence of Giorgio A Tsoukalos first.

Take it as an insult if you wish.

I was using it to show that you don't rely on facts, or stats or logic to believe something. Thus that logical, scientific and statistically grounded arguments won't sway you, so I shouldn't be surprised my arguments are ignored.

It's called a statement.

And a patently false one at that. There is a huge body of evidence supporting various facets of Ancient Astronaut theory.

[Rockworm503]

supergeek wrote...

blacqout wrote...

supergeek wrote...

As a natural blonde who also happens to be a woman - I'm telling you this is offensive to me. I've never been turned down for a job or kept from buying property in certain neighborhoods because of my hair color. To suggest that jokes about the color of my hair makes my plight equal to that of an entire race of people's struggle for equality is absolutely ridiculous.

I didn't say that either. 

I should be offended that so many of you have taken to flat out lying and misrepresenting my position.

You said making a blonde joke is just as offensive as making a racist joke.  My response was just explaining why I think that's whack. I'm not sure what you think we're lying about exactly?

It seems Blacqout just hopes we're all stupid blondes so we wouldn't notice 

[Mx_CN3]

aksoileau wrote...

And here I was thinking there was actually 8 pages worth of material dissecting the metal content of the case....

Would be an interesting read, if the chemists got involved.

[aksoileau]

You blondes are all racist.

[Reptilian Rob]

Most likely tin.

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

The world would be a much better place if everybody thought as i do.

any doubts that he's a troll is gone with this.

[blacqout]

Rockworm503 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The world would be a much better place if everybody thought as i do.

any doubts that he's a troll is gone with this.

Two posts ago, you said that you were done here.

If i had said that, i wouldn't have made any more posts because i'm a man of my word. If you were more like me, you'd be a man of your word too, and i think we all agree that honesty and conviction is a good thing.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Obvious troll thread is obvious.

[Ellkol1138]

Ya know the whole blonde thing would probably have more of a leg to stand on if iirc light and dark blond not even having enough votes combined to beat number 4 in the poll, now second or a close third would be different matter and have more of basis to rally about.

But stone dead last? NOPE!

[Soundsystem]

blacqout wrote...

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

Yep. Every single one of the 20000 people who voted for the ginger (compared to the 5500 who voted for the blonde) is bitter over the fact that BW is oh so sexist for making the blonde the default FemShep . Really feeling that logic there.

False.

Way less people voted in the second (illegal) poll. Most of us that were happy with the results of the true poll (in which blonde Shepard won) stopped following the story. It was only the misogynists and complainers that followed the story, explaining the huge difference in voters between the respective polls.

Now it's an illegal poll? I didn't know voting on hair color was illegal.

Both polls were advertised in the same way, and thus to the same market. Both were fair and valid.

[blacqout]

She won the first poll that was voted on by twice as many people. I don't think that it takes a genius to realise that casuals would be more likely to be drawn in by her more standardised beauty, while the obsessives would probably actively detest it.

[Berkilak]

Adamantium.

[Mx_CN3]

blacqout wrote...

The second poll was not as widely publicised. You can deny it, but it is a fact.

If someone cared enough to vote the first time, why wouldn't they vote the second time? Because they didn't know about it, obviously. It's probably difficult for you to imagine, but some people don't live and breathe Mass Effect. There are plenty of casual fans, and it's rather offputting that you seem to be of the belief they don't deserve to have an input.

You're now saying that the only people that voted in both polls are the ones that care the most.  Conversely, the people that didn't vote in one of the polls can be generalized as caring less, as if they cared a lot, they would know about both polls.

The point: the people that do care more should be taken into account more, as they're the ones that are affected the most.  This is not something as polarizing as some crazy Star Wars canon (those people get real crazy) because of the simple fact that you can change what your Shepard looks like, and not a single person anywhere will care if you do!

Repaint the Shepard on your box if you want, it won't affect anyone.  Just don't come in here and start making ridiculous claims when math is against you (again, ~21k people that cared, missing a poll?  I think not).

Err, wait, who am I kidding, this is a forum for BioWare fans.  Logic and reason are not accepted.

[Soundsystem]

blacqout wrote...

She won the first poll that was voted on by twice as many people. I don't think that it takes a genius to realise that casuals would be more likely to be drawn in by her more standardised beauty, while the obsessives would probably actively detest it.

But in stats the amount for people polled doesn't matter as long as a representative sample is used. In that case the results can be used to prove the same trends hold for larger groups of people.

How do you think projections of who is in the lead for prime minister/president are decided? They don't ask the whole coutnry, that's for sure.

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Well for what it's worth. If your a PC player, I'd imagine someone will make a mod similar to the DA2 one which allows you to alter the default appearances, allowing you to turn red head to blonde.

If not, then yeah it kinda sucks you can't alter it though .

Unfortunately i game the superior way: On Microsoft's xbox 360.

I probably wont even play as a female Shepard anyway. This is more about the box art, and standing up for what's right.

Hypocrite lol.
You spout all this nonesense about champion the blondes because its WRONG to make jokes about anyone's apperance.
But its just fine to be an elitist.
I'm surprised your not a PC player you'd fit right in with your "how I play is superior to everyone else" mentality.

[blacqout]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The second poll was not as widely publicised. You can deny it, but it is a fact.

If someone cared enough to vote the first time, why wouldn't they vote the second time? Because they didn't know about it, obviously. It's probably difficult for you to imagine, but some people don't live and breathe Mass Effect. There are plenty of casual fans, and it's rather offputting that you seem to be of the belief they don't deserve to have an input.

You're now saying that the only people that voted in both polls are the ones that care the most.  Conversely, the people that didn't vote in one of the polls can be generalized as caring less, as if they cared a lot, they would know about both polls.

The point: the people that do care more should be taken into account more, as they're the ones that are affected the most.  This is not something as polarizing as some crazy Star Wars canon (those people get real crazy) because of the simple fact that you can change what your Shepard looks like, and not a single person anywhere will care if you do!

Repaint the Shepard on your box if you want, it won't affect anyone.  Just don't come in here and start making ridiculous claims when math is against you (again, ~21k people that cared, missing a poll?  I think not).

Err, wait, who am I kidding, this is a forum for BioWare fans.  Logic and reason are not accepted.

I didn't take part in the second poll because i wasn't aware of it. Yet, i think it's pretty obvious that i do care rather a lot about it.

Logic and reason doesn't appear to be your suite, and neither does mathematics. Half as many people voted in the second poll, and it's important to look at the reasons why. You're trying to write this fact off by implying that that don't follow the game obsessively enough to have voted do not matter.... which is rather disgusting.

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

It's not a needless insult; he behaved in a manner befitting an idiot when he failed to comprehend my very simple post.

To clarify: Stating that belittling someone for being blonde is just as bad as belittling someone for having dark skin is absolutely nothing like stating "blonde women have it as bad as black people used to".

It's offensive to me when idiots like Adragalus try to put such opinions on me.

Is there anything that doesn't offend you?
we should make a meme out of this.
It offends me that I have to wait another 2 weeks for ME3
PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!

[Tyrannotaur]

blacqout wrote...

Is there still no official word on the type of metal used to create the N7 cases?

Its Irridium. Bioware had to spend 30 hours mining it from space in order to make enough cases for all the CE that were sold. This explains why they never did a bigger run of them, because they got tired of mining from space. 


/jokes

Probably Tin. Look around on this site and you'll find your answer. 
http://www.steelbook.com/ 

[blacqout]

Soundsystem wrote...

blacqout wrote...

She won the first poll that was voted on by twice as many people. I don't think that it takes a genius to realise that casuals would be more likely to be drawn in by her more standardised beauty, while the obsessives would probably actively detest it.

But in stats the amount for people polled doesn't matter as long as a representative sample is used. In that case the results can be used to prove the same trends hold for larger groups of people.

How do you think projections of who is in the lead for prime minister/president are decided? They don't ask the whole coutnry, that's for sure.

In the UK we vote for the party, not the leader. And when it comes time to actually decide, everyone that is registered gets a vote.

The smaller number of voters in the secondary poll were not representative of the total wishes of the fanbase. Those most likely to have been aware of the poll are those that were actively unhappy with blonde.

[blacqout]

Rockworm503 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Well for what it's worth. If your a PC player, I'd imagine someone will make a mod similar to the DA2 one which allows you to alter the default appearances, allowing you to turn red head to blonde.

If not, then yeah it kinda sucks you can't alter it though .

Unfortunately i game the superior way: On Microsoft's xbox 360.

I probably wont even play as a female Shepard anyway. This is more about the box art, and standing up for what's right.

Hypocrite lol.
You spout all this nonesense about champion the blondes because its WRONG to make jokes about anyone's apperance.
But its just fine to be an elitist.
I'm surprised your not a PC player you'd fit right in with your "how I play is superior to everyone else" mentality.

Well, yeah. Being an elitist and being a bigot are two very seperate things, and not sound grounds for your accusations of hypocrisy.

You should look the word up.

[blacqout]

[quote]All Dead wrote...

I don't know what the CE case is made of but I DO know this thread needs to be preserved in AMBER.


"Favorites":

[quote]blacqout wrote...
The world would be a much better place if everybody thought as i do.[/quote]

[quote]blacqout wrote...
I don't get it. I had to stop watching South Park after they insulted Scientology, so probably jhaven't seen that episode.

But thanks. It's difficult being a champion of morality sometimes.[/quote]


[quote]blacqout wrote...
Not especially, but my auditer and other officials at the church told me i should stop watching it.[/quote]

[quote]blacqout wrote...
The first step is defacing my special edition, devaluing it greatly, in the name of social justice.
[/quote]

[quote]blacqout wrote...
The world would be a much better place if everybody thought as i do.[/quote]


[quote]Da Don Giovanni wrote...
Slow down there sport. I believe in Jesus, but I'll occasionally watch South Park or acknowledge that Black people commit more crimes and are a different set of people then Whites.

White people don't rob gas stations, and they don't shoot each other outside of clubs, or social gatherings.

White people do not rob banks with a ski mask and a .38 snub nose.

South Park makes fun of everybody/everything like a comedian.

Just because you go to church doesn't mean you have to sell your TV and love black people.

Dont hate black people either, and don't watch porn, and you'll be alright.[/quote]

[quote]blacqout wrote...
I'm a social scientist, so i know what i'm talking about. [/quote]

[quote]blacqout wrote...
[quote]Soundsystem wrote...
But that's all moot because on your Tumblr you announce that " My name is Valentin Seleznyov and i'm a 25 year old kitchen and bathroom designer". [/quote]

I'm quite aware that it's not a job title. I'm a social scientist in the same sense that i'm a musician and a champion of the blonde cause. Generally there is more to a person than what they do for a living.[/quote]

[quote]blacqout wrote...
But i suppose we can't all be geniuses.[/quote]

[quote]yesconsiderably.tumblr.com/
When i'm not making housewives dreams come true, i work on my space ballet and play video games.

I keep this blog so that in the future, my followers can read my thoughts as i wrote them. Unlike Jesus' followers, who read the thoughts of his weirdo disciples.

Aside from computer games, i'm also into James Bond, Ancient Aliens and sexual roleplay. [/quote]

10/10 on the Trolly Scale, bravo.
[/quote]

Uhm, thanks. But i'm not trolling. I've thought up some very elaborate roleplays involving Borderlands' Mad Moxxi that i'm quite proud of.