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[Jinshifu]

So I've played as a DW rogue, had quite a bit of fun, and I'm making a Ranger for my next playthrough.

My questions can be summarized as:
1) How do stats affect my damage output with a ranged weapon (dex vs str)?
2) What is the difference between the types of ranged weapons: shortbows, longbows, and crossbows?

I've searched threads about this, and it's managed to confuse me even more. I was under the impression that all 'piercing' weapons had their damage increased only by Dexterity. However, I'm aware of the dexterity bug though not entirely sure how it affects ranged weapons other than that it lowers their intended damage.

Then I read that Crossbows and Longbows damage is based on Strength, or that it is somehow split between Str and Dex.

I'm really at a loss, as I'm not sure what type of weapon my PC should use and consequently how to allocate points properly to maximize damage (or take Lethality and go high dex/cun). Any insight would prove useful, thanks in advance.

[m2abrams]

if you have the dexterity damage fix (which you should if you want to use archery) i believe the stats are split. Short bows work of dexterity for damage, longbows and crossbows use str and have higher str multipliers. so the idea is, if your playing a rogue, use short bows and mass dex, both for rogue skills, archery skills and damage. if playing as a warrior, you can use str and use long bows or crossbows and still be able to wear the heavy/massive armor you want

[Broughden]

A) Do not use the dexterity patch. There are very bad known issues with this patch effecting Sten, Shale and Allister. It drops their armor rating to a base negative number. And since it would logical that either Shale or Allister will likely be your tank, having a negative base armor is bad.

Instead wait for official next patch and hope they fix both the dexterity problem for melee weapons and ranged weapons.

C) Once they do fix these known issues, then max out dexterity and cunning and grab the rogue's Lethality skill so that your rogue will use cunning rather than strength when calculating damage from his long bow or crossbow. Or just use a short bow since it seems these will be changed to use dexterity only as their primary stat.

Until then you can pretend you didnt know any of these issues, like I didnt when I rolled up my elf archer, and simply play a gimped character. Have fun!

Modifié par Broughden, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:04 .

[Colma]

with no patch...
If you use a longbow (which you should, as no other ranged weapons compare to Far Song), you have to have the Lethality talent to get good damage by pumping cunning, dexterity has nothing to do with longbow damage until they fix the bug. Otherwise you have to pump strength to get good damage. I believe shortbows are the ones with the split damage. If you leave dexterity alone and increase the right stat archers can actually pump out some decent damage with scatter shot and arrow of slaying.
:edit: by leave dexterity alone I mean increase it to 34 to use Far Song and that is as high as you need it.

My archer had a 487 damage arrow of slaying shot earlier today on a yellow enemy haha.

btw, since you pump cunning for bow damage bard becomes a natural choice for rogue archers.

Modifié par Colma, 25 novembre 2009 - 05:25 .

[Falator]

Umm my allister does not have negative armor with a (there are numerous ones) dexterity hotfix installed. Nor did sten.

[Lord Chaos]

Where do you get Far Song from?

[Paragon78]

Jinshifu wrote...

So I've played as a DW rogue, had quite a bit of fun, and I'm making a Ranger for my next playthrough.

My questions can be summarized as:
1) How do stats affect my damage output with a ranged weapon (dex vs str)?
2) What is the difference between the types of ranged weapons: shortbows, longbows, and crossbows?

I've searched threads about this, and it's managed to confuse me even more. I was under the impression that all 'piercing' weapons had their damage increased only by Dexterity. However, I'm aware of the dexterity bug though not entirely sure how it affects ranged weapons other than that it lowers their intended damage.

Then I read that Crossbows and Longbows damage is based on Strength, or that it is somehow split between Str and Dex.

I'm really at a loss, as I'm not sure what type of weapon my PC should use and consequently how to allocate points properly to maximize damage (or take Lethality and go high dex/cun). Any insight would prove useful, thanks in advance.

Some pretty good tips on here, as it stands now Dex and Str increase your Long bow damage .3 for every point. So about 3 points of either will give you a 1 damage increase. So a whopping 30 dex is only going to get you about 10 extra damage, not a whole lot huh. In my opinion just stack enough dex to get the abilities your want and try to get your willpower as high as you can, there are allot of spells and at least 3 sustainables you are going to be running. You will need all the mana you can get to have a nice rotation. If you go pure archer and take bard/ranger then you will run 3 sustains which will lower your mana pool a ton, and you will have a hard time using just arrow of slaying. On my 2nd time through on my french chick I raised her stamina as high as I could while getting every archer ability and her arrow of slaying will crit over 500, and she still has plenty of stamina left for a nice big rotation, she rapes everything.

[m2abrams]

yeah, i've never had issues with the dex hotfix

[Grovermancer]

I just finshed an enjoyable Rogue Archer play-through.  (866 max damage, NO Hotfix LOL!)

I used a longbow.  (everyone says 'Far Song,' but you only get that with certain char alignment/plot choices)  I used the "Falon Din's Reach" bow.



Now then:

Dex AND Str BOTH add .3 to base damage per point increased.  (actually, it's apparently .3, .3, .4, so as to equal 1 pt damage per 3 pts Dex and/or Str)

With Lethality talent, Cun replaces Str in determining base damage (only if Cun is higher!)

However, if you want Wade's Drakeskin Armor (which I wore), you'll need Str at 20. (22?)
If you want Ancient Elven Armor (don't recommend), you need Str 22.  (if you're on PC, you won't get the boots w/o a hotfix, which I don't mess with)

Modifié par Grovermancer, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:06 .

[GravityParade]

Anclient Elven Armor doesn't give a whole lot to rogues unless they are consistantly taking damage and gain from the armor value. The best rogue gear is just a mish mash of high level light armor that comes from various quest rewards and boss kills. Also, a Bow that's comparable to far song bow is Marjolaine's Recurve that you get from doing Leliana's personal quest. It doesn't have all the great stats as far song bow, but it's free and has the same base damage and pretty good stats.

Modifié par GravityParade, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:14 .

[T0rin3]

Lord Chaos wrote...

Where do you get Far Song from?

Arrange for Owen in Redcliffe village to somehow die, either by your vicious hand or his loathesome hand. The replacement blacksmith that is put in his place the follow day will sell Far Song.

[T0rin3]

Jinshifu wrote...

My questions can be summarized as:
1) How do stats affect my damage output with a ranged weapon (dex vs str)?
2) What is the difference between the types of ranged weapons: shortbows, longbows, and crossbows?

If you go warrior, go 30 dex, enough cunning for master stealth and the rest into strength.

If you go rogue, go 30 dex, 20 strength and everything else into cunning.

1) Dexterity and Strength give you damage equally with the dexterity hotfix installed. Without it, only strength will give your ranged attacks damage. This applies to Longbows and Crossbows. For shortbows, they get all of their damage from Dexterity.
2) Shortbows have lower range and lower base damage, and are generally suckier. Crossbows are slower than short/long bows but have damage about on par with Longbows, but have a higher strength modifier to damage. Longbows have the best items, have good range and good damage.

[Dendybar]

How does a warrior get master stealth?