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[PD ORTA]

UK Wildcat wrote...

The Carnifex as implemented in the demo without Widow X or Carnifex X is the superior gun anyway. Very minimal weight, can scope like a sniper rifle, faster shots, faster power regen. Unless you are a highly specialized sniper build for killing atlases for some reason (when they are amongst the least threatening foes), then widow is just a crutch for poor aim.

You can kill guardians easily with Carnifexes. Head shot through plate, shoot feet, shoot hands, shoot over shield and clip head.

The Carnifex doesn't compare sniper rifle wise to the widow, the Widow kills enemies twice as fast as the Carnifex (considering you can OSK most of them). If you don't realise why people like to use the Widow (other than assuming they can't aim) watch the video posted by Leeroi.

[billy the squid]

PD ORTA wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

The Carnifex as implemented in the demo without Widow X or Carnifex X is the superior gun anyway. Very minimal weight, can scope like a sniper rifle, faster shots, faster power regen. Unless you are a highly specialized sniper build for killing atlases for some reason (when they are amongst the least threatening foes), then widow is just a crutch for poor aim.

You can kill guardians easily with Carnifexes. Head shot through plate, shoot feet, shoot hands, shoot over shield and clip head.

The Carnifex doesn't compare sniper rifle wise to the widow, the Widow kills enemies twice as fast as the Carnifex (considering you can OSK most of them). If you don't realise why people like to use the Widow (other than assuming they can't aim) watch the video posted by Leeroi.

Indeed, I picked up the Widow very early. I think I was level 10 on my first character as a soldier. I also got an extended barrel for extra damage output. Combine that with the soldier's damage buffs. The Widow one shots almost everything, with the exception of phantoms and an atlas if they have shields. It will also punch through one target and hit the target behind. I've done this with Cerberus assault troops several times. I can't say if it works on anything else.

The weight is pretty hefty, but apart from adrenaline rush, the soldier's CS isn't worth it once you get a Widow. If your aim is good enough you can use it a point blank range in a pinch, but I've got a Mattock as back up for that.

[UK Wildcat]

PD ORTA wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

The Carnifex as implemented in the demo without Widow X or Carnifex X is the superior gun anyway. Very minimal weight, can scope like a sniper rifle, faster shots, faster power regen. Unless you are a highly specialized sniper build for killing atlases for some reason (when they are amongst the least threatening foes), then widow is just a crutch for poor aim.

You can kill guardians easily with Carnifexes. Head shot through plate, shoot feet, shoot hands, shoot over shield and clip head.

The Carnifex doesn't compare sniper rifle wise to the widow, the Widow kills enemies twice as fast as the Carnifex (considering you can OSK most of them). If you don't realise why people like to use the Widow (other than assuming they can't aim) watch the video posted by Leeroi.

I have both, I run gold on a daily basis, and I disagree with what you are saying.  Random internet videos won't change my belief as I've extensively tested both.

I understand some people like to use the Widow; that's fine.  But I play for efficiency and for rapid clears and overall success: 

1) Equipping a carnifex means that you don't need a backup gun which means you get a weight advantage which means you get faster recharge on your powers.

2) You made up some random stat about widows killing twice as fast, and that's fine.  Even if I accept that (which I don't because you can headshot most opponents OR use abilities then headshot when shields are gone), the widow is frequently overkill based on remaining health OR due to teammates focusing, your shot misses completely.

3) If you can aim well, you can snipe effectively with the carnifex. 

4) Refer to the other thread where you have to strip enemy defenses before killing them.  More proof that widow is unnecessary and actually not the most effective for gold.

I can keep going into why the carnifex is better overall but you seem to have made up your mind.  I don't like to waste my time.

Modifié par UK Wildcat, 23 février 2012 - 09:01 .

[marshalleck]

Just unlocked the widow today for my salarian infiltrator. Feels good. Too bad it's not really my playstyle, it will probably just rot away in my weapon rack unused.

[PD ORTA]

UK Wildcat wrote...

PD ORTA wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

The Carnifex as implemented in the demo without Widow X or Carnifex X is the superior gun anyway. Very minimal weight, can scope like a sniper rifle, faster shots, faster power regen. Unless you are a highly specialized sniper build for killing atlases for some reason (when they are amongst the least threatening foes), then widow is just a crutch for poor aim.

You can kill guardians easily with Carnifexes. Head shot through plate, shoot feet, shoot hands, shoot over shield and clip head.

The Carnifex doesn't compare sniper rifle wise to the widow, the Widow kills enemies twice as fast as the Carnifex (considering you can OSK most of them). If you don't realise why people like to use the Widow (other than assuming they can't aim) watch the video posted by Leeroi.

I have both, I run gold on a daily basis, and I disagree with what you are saying.  Random internet videos won't change my belief as I've extensively tested both.

I understand some people like to use the Widow; that's fine.  But I play for efficiency and for rapid clears and overall success: 

1) Equipping a carnifex means that you don't need a backup gun which means you get a weight advantage which means you get faster recharge on your powers.

2) You made up some random stat about widows killing twice as fast, and that's fine.  Even if I accept that (which I don't because you can headshot most opponents OR use abilities then headshot when shields are gone), the widow is frequently overkill based on remaining health OR due to teammates focusing, your shot misses completely.

3) If you can aim well, you can snipe effectively with the carnifex. 

I can keep going into why the carnifex is better overall but you seem to have made up your mind.  I don't like to waste my time.

I don't like to waste my time either. so I'm going to agree to disagree, since this discussion is opinion on both sides. 

Modifié par PD ORTA, 23 février 2012 - 09:04 .

[eldrjth]

UK Wildcat wrote...

The Carnifex as implemented in the demo without Widow X or Carnifex X is the superior gun anyway. Very minimal weight, can scope like a sniper rifle, faster shots, faster power regen. Unless you are a highly specialized sniper build for killing atlases for some reason (when they are amongst the least threatening foes), then widow is just a crutch for poor aim.

You can kill guardians easily with Carnifexes. Head shot through plate, shoot feet, shoot hands, shoot over shield and clip head.

more like the carnifex is a crutch for poor aim (though neither is the case), since it takes ages to reload with a widow and youre too zoomed in sometimes so have to accurately flick aim or the enemy will vanish from your crosshair with noway for you to track them, unless you zoom out again. if theres even a hint of  lag theres no comparision in which gun is harder to headshot with. and thats the widow.

You CANT kill guardians with a carnifex easily, esp if teammates without a widow are hell bent on shooting the front cover of it. on the otherhand a single BODY shoot through a guardians sheild takes them out with a widow. a widow is far superior obviously in taking out enemies behind soft cover. 

the trade-off for a very long cd time for the widow is considerable and thats the major drawback (ammo is also when you have only the widow I with no capacity upgrade). were talking ~3.5s CD with mantis to ~6.2s with widow and both deal comparible damage. so a perma stealth infiltrator might prefer the mantis over the widow (esp a salarian one with ridiculous sheild-drain to sniper shot syngergy) even though it offers superior firepower and more headshot opportunities.

 Having said that theres no better gun for casters (though some might exchange for phalanx) or for quick head shotting of low tier enemies than the carnifex. if youre skillful with it you prob get more kills with the carnifex but not as many high point/high teir kills. 

"1) Equipping a carnifex means that you don't need a backup gun which means you get a weight advantage which means you get faster recharge on your powers."

nonone should use a backup gun with the widow. ever.

"2) You made up some random stat about widows killing twice as fast, and that's fine. Even if I accept that (which I don't because you can headshot most opponents OR use abilities then headshot when shields are gone), the widow is frequently overkill based on remaining health OR due to teammates focusing, your shot misses completely."

the carnifiex will kill quicker since its got a higher RoF BUT if wont take out high threat enemies quick. and an atlas is high threat if it has LoS into your position. 


"3) If you can aim well, you can snipe effectively with the carnifex."

yes. its better than the viper imo.

Modifié par eldrjth, 23 février 2012 - 09:24 .

[Leeroi]

With the proper build a Widow is much more efficient than Carnifex on gold as it doesn't compromise survivability. If you max out your energy drain you can take down shields/barriers in 1 shot, still have cloak and 1 shot anything short of an Atlas with the Widow. And that's on Gold. Taking 1 shot and popping back into cover keeps your exposure to enemy fire minimal and your damage output is as high if not higher than Carnifex. So despite Wildcat's extensive testing, Widow is the superior gun for infiltrator especially due to the reload time overlapping with recharge timer of cloak. With Carnifex in order to maximise your DPS you'll have to take shots when not in Cloak whereas with Widow you can always shoot cloaked and suffer no decrease in DPS due to the slow ROF.

[Asari Commando]

ya i really wish the unlock system was different, i dont like playing the raffle everytime i earn a assload of credits. out of the 200,000 or so ive spent, i got 1 class i wanted. the rest were crap mods, however i did get the mattock. but i refuse to use soldier until i unlock krogan

[minianthunter]

I didn't create this thread with the intention of people spouting their opinions as if they were facts. I made this thread so those of us who are suffering from widow withdrawals could all suffer together.

I can appreciate you guys defending your opinions but there is no need to attack each other saying that they are idiotic for not sharing your own play style. You don't like the widow fine, you don't like people using the widow, sorry but you are just going to have to deal with it until you develop some biotic powers that allow you to mind control others.

Let's not have this turn into a flame war and eventually have it locked due to it being unproductive and all around negative.

[Poison_Berrie]

You know what's funny, I decided to go with Viper over Mantis because it's higher fire rate and reload speed and all of a sudden I keep getting Mantis versions, so now it's on X while the Viper has lagged behind.
Sometimes the unlock system gets frustrating.

I unlocked the Widow relatively early, but it remains at version I and the trade-off is just too big for me to consider it over the other two.

[Father Alvito]

OT: Still no Widow after clearing 80 N7 ranks. At least I have the hand cannon.

[Lotusate]

N7 117 only got it today, then i got 3 in a row, go figure. No sign of carnifex yet though.

[Brownfinger]

I have the Widow II, and it weighs far too much for me to consider it on any class other than my Engineer. I need my cooldowns kept short.

[Charlestheman]

*signs*

N7 level 92. .still no widow

[droq1352]

what's the difference between a gold weapon and just a normal one? are the gold one's just basically the "ultimate" weapon for that class?

sorry if this is a dumb question, just didn't know gold weapons existed until this thread... thanks.

[Father Alvito]

They're supposed to be 'top tier' weapons, but their quality varies widely.

The Carnifex and Widow are almost universally well regarded. Both hit like a ton of bricks for their weapon class and are highly accurate.

The Hornet and Claymore are love-it-or-hate-it weapons. They have high raw power along with significant drawbacks, which makes them difficult to use.

The Revenant is almost universally maligned.

[Wolf]

 Am I the only one who hasn't gotten a rifle scope yet? I have all the top tier weapons but have NEVER seen one of those:P

[Wolf]

droq1352 wrote...

what's the difference between a gold weapon and just a normal one? are the gold one's just basically the "ultimate" weapon for that class?

sorry if this is a dumb question, just didn't know gold weapons existed until this thread... thanks.

There is no such thing as a dumb question. 

The weapons marked in gold are basically rare weapons. You normally get stuff like the M-8 Avenger or the Tempest.

Guns like the Revenant or the Carnifex are considered rare and are marked in gold.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 23 février 2012 - 11:49 .

[ODST 5723]

I haven't unlocked the Revenant, Carnifex or Widow. Just several Hornets

[NazzNAA]

N7 level 95 and still no Widow, Carnifex or Hornet. Also no Salarian or Krogan

[Dark-Kyon-X]

N7 120 all weapons X

[xxxGrieverxxx]

N7 118.. Have every class EXCEPT the Salarian and its killing me that i can't get him after about 15 Veteran Packs i got today and the seemingly endless amount I've purchased up to now, I'm only getting a gold card every three or four buys, unlike when i first started buying them around N7 rating of 15 to 85. Got me every gun at level 10, plus all gold guns at level 2 except the Widow, and Revenant... Only 2 left i need, plus the Salarian and I will be so happy.

[cronshaw8]

just got it. N7108. So heavy though. The only other thing i have not unlocked is the Hornet.

[Dark-Kyon-X]

I hate the hornet its ugly well, different/new model but ugly

[atheelogos]

just got it today! Took a really long time though. lol