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[Sajuro]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Genetic engineering and aliens. You know that a lot of the foods we eat have been genetically modified, right? Who is to say what is and isn't possible for the brain after the scientists have spent a couple hundred years of learning the science? And the aliens are aliens, their minds are not human so they can just be whatever the writers want them to be and not have to write an explanation.

That didn't make any sense at all...
...Gambit:bandit:

I hate to agree, well not really but I think dual wielding would be cool. But yeah, all you did was type a whole lot without saying anything.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Eternal, are you talking about dual wielding as in shooting at two separate people at the same time or am I reading you wrong? Because if that's the case then I think I agree with you that it shouldn't be allowed unless humans grow a second pair of eyes. Besides, I'm strictly mouse + keyboard, and you really need the two thumb sticks to be able to aim both guns independantly so I definetly do not want. I think I already explained to you what I was thinking of... a simple +/- sidegrade trade off, something that lets you shoot in the same general direction with two guns. Theoretically it would be higher damage but harder to control the bullet spread so whether it's effective or not is purely situational, hence why I'd call it a sidegrade.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 24 février 2012 - 08:07 .

[Sajuro]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Neural implant that helps Shepard with the motor control of shooting at two things at once, I would expect him to be aware of multiple enemies and where they are in relation to him due to situational awareness, but the implant could simply help him coordinate or use his arms independently of one another to shoot **** up.

It would have to be insanely and incredibly powerful. Like I said, the human brain is wired to focus on one task. The implant would be basically going against the brain's default...programming, I guess. It would also cause undue stress.


Not only that, but the way one normally aims a gun is by looking down the sights. How do you advise circumventing that with a neural implant?

What about multi-tasking? And given how powerful chips can be these days, in ME's time with races that have been working on neural implants for hundreds of years, and undue stress could be a plot point for the gunslinger class that has taken this, they are more effective in close and fast combat but people have started realizing "****, these peoples brains are starting to hemorrage after a few years, dayum"
As for aiming, you could either have equipment on your armor that sends out pulses and use echo location to translate enemy location to the neural implant. Assuming that weapons generally have an IFF system or some smart computer, their location could be transmitted that way.
Or, the gunslinger could try and find the position of the targets before he starts shooting, the impant or an on board VI projects that known locations of the target against the known layout of the room and feeds that to the gunslinger.

[Sajuro]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

What about multi-tasking? And given how powerful chips can be these days, in ME's time with races that have been working on neural implants for hundreds of years, and undue stress could be a plot point for the gunslinger class that has taken this, they are more effective in close and fast combat but people have started realizing "****, these peoples brains are starting to hemorrage after a few years, dayum"
As for aiming, you could either have equipment on your armor that sends out pulses and use echo location to translate enemy location to the neural implant. Assuming that weapons generally have an IFF system or some smart computer, their location could be transmitted that way.
Or, the gunslinger could try and find the position of the targets before he starts shooting, the impant or an on board VI projects that known locations of the target against the known layout of the room and feeds that to the gunslinger.

What do you mean by multitasking? Do you mean, say, talking on the phone while you type? That's just multitasking in the brain, not really on a motor level. It's the old "Pat your head and rub your stomach" thing (or is it the other way around?)--your arms and hands are designed to work together, not independent of each other. Aiming at two different targets=independent.

Though, if you're aiming at one, an SMG would work better.

I just patted my head and rubbed my stomach and the other way around
next challenge.

[Clearly Balkan]

 No.

[Xtreme-Tiramisu]

lol sigh pistol dual wield...short answer NO! it bring me back the nostalgia from CS 10 years ago...oh man time flies
let's move on

[DarthLaxian]

ok - here we go again

i never said i wanted to hold the gun sideways (that might look cool, but i agree that it is not the sensible thing to do as it fouls up the aiming completly if you shoot at something that is not in meele (about 5 meters) distance)

secondly: i thought about shooting at two different things and yes, that might be a problem...but it still would give a nice boost in hitting a single target at close range

thirdly: power use? - why do people think the biotic powers are tied to your hand (?) when it is your brain - and for humans (and most likely for most non-asari) an implant of some kind - that controlls your biotics so in theory you could use the hand already holding a gun to fire of your powers...even better: then an assault- or sniper-rifle wielding adept (you can do that after the collector ship and sometimes you have to when you are out of clips for your pistol) would be unable to use his/her powers as well...guess what: they are not you can take the rifle and still smack your biotics into the enemy...

fourthly: for shooting different things, i agree that this could be a power (meaning you use that squad power-screen (which pauses the game), toggle the power and select two targets and shep fires at them...might be nice to look at

as a lot of "guys" mentioning COD etc. - let me remind you:

i have yet to play COD (i own the first one because i inherited it from my uncle who died of cancer)

as for halo etc.

yeah, i enjoyed halo some years back (demo version for the computer - i do not have a console...have in fact never had one. i started out with one of my father's old computers when i was a pre-teen and have never looked at consoles much (friends have had them so i played some on them, but i never felt the need for one)) but i do not have it

so much....as for spamming and flaming:

i have reported all and any spam that has been posted after my warning...hope something happens to those spammers (i hate people who behave like teenage hooligans and lack any social skills)

so my few cents

greetings LAX

[Sajuro]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
I just patted my head and rubbed my stomach and the other way around
next challenge.

Lol.

I now encourage you to try to shoot at two different targets, with pistols.

Get a couple airsoft ones, and get a couple friend to run around in your yard.

You'll find aiming at just one is sufficient.

didn't get that neural implant

[Adanu]

DarthLaxian wrote...

thirdly: power use? - why do people think the biotic powers are tied to your hand (?) when it is your brain - and for humans (and most likely for most non-asari) an implant of some kind

Read up on how biotics in humans work, then come back here. You have no clue.

[Dean_the_Young]

I approve of dual wielding. It just needs some balance.

First, a major penalty to aiming from the hip. Think 'as accurate as a sniper rifle.'

Second, an inability to zoom in and aim.

Third, having both hands occupied should give something like a 500% increase to power recharge time.

[TexasToast712]

 1. This isn't CoD, or Saints Row 3
 2. No soldier would ever dual wield. It is inefficient, inaccurate, and just generally a stupid thing to do.

OP has been watching too many action movies.

[Rogue Complex]

Duel wielding would be a terrible idea, it sounds like someone who enjoys playing COD to much. But, honestly you wouldn't be able to use bionic abilities at all what so ever. Unless you had like warp ammo but it still wouldn't be worth it.

[Sajuro]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I approve of dual wielding. It just needs some balance.

First, a major penalty to aiming from the hip. Think 'as accurate as a sniper rifle.'

Second, an inability to zoom in and aim.

Third, having both hands occupied should give something like a 500% increase to power recharge time.

I would say increased reload time, inability to zoom in and aim, and that the second pistol takes up its own slot in the weapons load out. A soldier could shoulder than burden but if you wanted to dual wield in multiplayer, it would limit your choices of weapon and define your gamplay more narrowly

[Sajuro]

Adanu wrote...

DarthLaxian wrote...

thirdly: power use? - why do people think the biotic powers are tied to your hand (?) when it is your brain - and for humans (and most likely for most non-asari) an implant of some kind

Read up on how biotics in humans work, then come back here. You have no clue.

you could still use push or pull with a weapon in your hand I think, may be weaker.

[Imortalfalcon]

Tri-wield Mattocks.

[TexasToast712]

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Tri-wield Mattocks.

Tape them ****es together.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Because in reality wielding two guns at once only allows you to hit the broadside of a barn and not a small or precise target. Its a good thing BW didn't include that now if only they could get rid of the space ningas.

[acewings]

I actually think that Akimbo in Mass Effect would be awesome.

[TFulls]

Farbautisonn wrote...

I want dual yielding too. Plus I also want my character to hold Thanix cannons in both hands (as miniguns) and I want shielding that lets me laugh off a Reaper attack. Ofcourse I shouldnt have to aim my guns let alone use any sighting. the multicore shielding should instantly spring into effect if my EDI miniature onboard AI found that I was under attack. And I also need blonde cheerleaders who sing my praise and bring palm fronds and a happy meal whenever I kill something on the screen.

that was awesome 

[Cortyman]

I saw an episode of Mythbusters where they tried a number of 'Hollywood' gun fighting techniques and dual pistol shooting accuracy was less then impressive. It might look 'awesome' but realistically you would be hard pressed to hit a target, let alone a moving one.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Dual-wielding guns is something that only bloody action heroes in movies and games ever do half as well as it takes for it to be functional.

Shepard is a military man with military weapons training. Military weapons training teaches you how to use weapons properly. Weapons are not designed to be dual-wielded, hence, training excludes this eccentric branch of weapons use.

Beside, dude--recoil. Broken wrists. Painful. Do not want.