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[truestatic]

Because wielding a pair of firearms is a hilariously bad plan, and while it works in some fictional worlds, it doesn't in others.  It depends on the tone you're shooting for.  Mass Effect tries to attain a sort of believable science fiction, where things work like you'd expect them to.  For example, you'd expect carrying a shotgun in one hand and a carnifex hand cannon in the other to be a terrible, horrible, awful idea.  And it would be.  So we don't get to do that.  Because the Alliance Navy didn't raise no dummy.

[deadshame]

Because dual-wielding only happens in movies and is not realistic what-so-ever. And it looks stupid as hell...unless you're Master Chief.

[atheelogos]

Chuck Fandango wrote...

12 yr old COD fanboys incoming!!!!! 

No, just......... NO! 

THIS!

Keep dual wielding out of my ME!

[acewings]

atheelogos wrote...

Chuck Fandango wrote...

12 yr old COD fanboys incoming!!!!! 

No, just......... NO! 

THIS!

Keep dual wielding out of my ME!

Dear Bioware,

Pl0x tactical nuke

Signed,
CoD fanboys everywhere

[scones_bane]

Now if we could just get a heavy bolter I'd be pleased.

[DarthLaxian]

AGAIN WITH THE F*CKING CALL OF DUTY?....SHOVE THAT GAME UP YOUR'S!

god damned this makes me ANGRY!

SAME FOR THE SPAM...IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA, THEN PLEASE LEAVE THE TOPIC OR VOICE YOUR CONCERNS IN A CIVILIZED MANER - YOU ARE NOT BRAINDEAD MONKEYS ON CRACK ARE YOU?

i am sorry - for the rest of you "guys" who posted normally, but i just needed to vent a little (like the normandy does if it's stealth system is overheated

greetings LAX
ps: yeah it will be inacurat - maybe - but what does it matter if the enemy is standing 5 meters away?
by that logic, a shotgunblast is inacurat as hell, but it sure is lethal in close quarters!

[FluffyScarf]

Nothing wrong with dual wielding a pistol. Where was all the outrage when you could dual wield swords in Lagrim? You can't even block with them.

[Valikdu]

No dual-wielding?! OH NOES!!!! Pre-order cancelled!

Never mind that the pistols used by Shepard are overpowered hand cannons with probably more recoil than a Desert Eagle (exept for the Predator).

Modifié par Valikdu, 25 février 2012 - 05:45 .

[JerZey CJ]

Dual wielding, while it may look cool and fit in the correct media, is not an effective way to shoot guns. Dual wielding severely reduces your aim and accuracy, as you can't aim down the sites. It would be about as accurate as firing from the hip(that is, not at all). Now, on top of that, powerful pistols(like the one's in ME) probably have a hell of a kick, you can't hold something with a lot of kick in just one hand, your hand will just fly in a random direction(or if you're unlucky, hit you in the face). And don't even get me started on dual wielding SMGs, that's even more unrealistic, combine kick, with rapid fire, and only holding it in one hand, and your hands would be flying over all over the place as you shoot.

[JerZey CJ]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Nothing wrong with dual wielding a pistol. Where was all the outrage when you could dual wield swords in Lagrim? You can't even block with them.

     Do you EVER shut up about Skyrim? I mean really, every post of yours that I have ever seen, no matter what the thread, talks about Skyrim. And me, and everyone I know, have never had any problems with lag in Skyrim.
     Now, dual wielding swords makes a lot more sense than dual wielding pistols, as fighting with two swords was actually done and is a style of combat. Off the top of my head, I can think of two weapons that were dual wielded, the Katana and Wakazashi, and Chinese Hook Swords.

[AlanC9]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Nothing wrong with dual wielding a pistol. Where was all the outrage when you could dual wield swords in Lagrim? You can't even block with them.

I'd complain about that if I gave a damn about Lagrim.

What is this fascination with dual-wield that so many gamers have? I first noticed it on the NWN1 board when people started to complain that Tony K's AI package wasn't making the companions dual-wield -- idiot players never did the math to realize how sucky 3.0 DW is against well-armored targets, so the AI was smarter than they were. It seems to get a little worse every year.

[DarthLaxian]

hm...

the guns in mass effect should not have ANY RECOIL AT ALL!

why?

because they are like a gauss-cannon or a railgun in the way they use a mass-effect-field to accelerate the "bullets" (more like chunks of matter if you read the codex that are shaved of the matter-block each gun contains) and as we now the above mentioned kind of weapons do not have any recoil so neither should our ME-Guns....so looking at that recoil should really be a non-problem (just looked into the ME-Wiki to confirm that is how the guns fire and as it is, there really should not be recoil...)

but i agree - at least mostly - that accuracy would still be worse then firing one gun, but again, that ceases to be a problem if you only use they dual wield in close combat (up to maybe 5-10 meters) if your powers are in cooldown and you would profit from a higher ROV in taking down a storming/charging enemy (krogans anyone? ...)

so here i go again....and i am surprised that no one brought up COD again: well done boys and girls

still someone calls the "fans" of dual wield stupid - AGAIN....man do you live to provoke other people?...well i hope you will provoke the wrong one sometime in the future

greetings LAX

[John Locke N7]

the difference between single wield and dual wield is just visual. you might as well just be shooting a single gun instead of 2 if just match the damage and accuracy and all that, instead of just gimping a single gun by half.

ive only played one game were dual wielding choices were varied and tacticaly different and fun and that was halo 2

[Monochrome Wench]

Cant aim well holding a gun in each hand. Maybe if each gun had an integrated camera that was wirelessly transmitting a single to a personal HUD for aiming, it might work, but that is the stuff of fantasy

[Anthadlas]

I think you're mistaking Cmdr Shephard for Lara Croft..

[antagonist99]

Please, not this **** again. Nobody in their right mind dual-wields.

Your accuracy goes to **** and it was done in the Wild West just for the reason of ammunition. Reloading a revolver under fire is a PITA so people there started carrying two, first shooting one empty, then the other. Nowadays this comes back to haunt us in video games.

This was made obsolete when pistols were introduced.

DarthLaxian: Even lasers have recoil as the quantums they shoot have inertia.

A Gauss rifle or railgun has recoil as it accelerates a given mass in one direction and is still subject to the laws of physics. Namely, any action has an equal and opposite reaction.

That recoil is just orders of magnitude less than what you'd get firing a gun with chemical propellant. Most of the recoil you feel firing a normal rifle in real life stems from compressed gases leaving the barrel behind the bullet (bolt-action) or the bolt hitting the rearmost position during the firing cycle (semi and fully automatic firearms).

This is also the reason why muzzle brakes are so effective at reducing and even negating recoil.

If you fire a gun whose projectiles leave the barrel at a high fraction of c you'll get quite some recoil even with infinitesimal projectile mass.

Modifié par antagonist99, 25 février 2012 - 03:28 .

[NekoPanOnline]

The Woldan wrote...

Because dual-wielding weapons makes correct aiming pretty much impossible, its hard to stabilize recoiling weapons with one hand - its just a waste of ammo and you'll only see that in cheap hollywood movies. A single gun carefully aimed is way more effective.

but garrus does it in the comic

[Hillbillyshep]

Thane had dual pistols in the blur trailer and Miranda in an artwork.
Also, i remmber some early artwork from ME1, which had Alliance Military guy wielding duals.

[Ravensword]

[Nathan Redgrave]

antagonist99 wrote...

Please, not this **** again. Nobody in their right mind dual-wields.

Not STRICTLY true. Handguns can be dual-wielded semi-effectively if you're good enough to handle the recoil, but the only effective ways to do this are:
1) aim with one, blindfire with the other
2) shoot both in the same direction, aiming with one and trusting the aim of that to guide the second

But in the case of the second method, you may as well just get a bigger gun and use it the normal way. The first method obviously wastes a lot of the off-hand weapon's ammo, and then, when you've run out of ammo, you find yourself in a bit of a fix:

YOU CAN'T RELOAD A GUN WITH BOTH OF YOUR HANDS FULL.

As a result, dual-wielding isn't something you do all the time, but rather in specific situations and for short bursts only. At some point you need to holster one of the weapons to reload the other, and reloading two weapons back-to-back doesn't help your chances in a firefight.

Dual-wielding is just a form of improvisation, and can be potentially helpful in certain situations but isn't functional as a primary shooting style.

In the case of Mass Effect, dual-wielding would be pointless anyway. You can only aim in one direction, and the only effect putting two guns in your hand would have is to increase you ammo consumption. Assault Rifles and more powerful handguns make any advantage that might hold entirely redundant.

[Farbautisonn]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Dual-wielding is just a form of improvisation, and can be potentially helpful in certain situations but isn't functional as a primary shooting style.
.

-The only situation I can think of where dual yielding had a tactical application would be if I was trying to escape a situation and had to lay down massive amounts of suppressive fire with SMGs to catch a couple of seconds break to get the hell out. And that situation and circumstance would be highly hypothetical.

But Im willing to listen?

[Nathan Redgrave]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Dual-wielding is just a form of improvisation, and can be potentially helpful in certain situations but isn't functional as a primary shooting style.
.

-The only situation I can think of where dual yielding had a tactical application would be if I was trying to escape a situation and had to lay down massive amounts of suppressive fire with SMGs to catch a couple of seconds break to get the hell out. And that situation and circumstance would be highly hypothetical.

But Im willing to listen?

Suppressing fire is in fact the easiest thing to do with dual-wielding, since it's not really designed to hit anything. Also if something or someone is physically bearing down on you from one direction while you have to shoot at something in another. But as I say, situational, improvisation. It's something you do specifically when it's advantageous, not because ninjas. Ya geddit?

[DnVill]

Dual Wield? Go back to Halo

[MasterShepardN7]

The only dual wielding of pistols in something Mass Effect related was in the Retribution novel. Grayson carries two pistols at one point.