90 réponses à ce sujet

[Arcadian Legend]

Aynien wrote...

modding =/= hacking ;P

Arcadian Legend wrote...
Yeah, I can understand further
multiplayer games being justified, but single player games too? Like say
DA:O, DAII, Dead Space 1 etc.

Guys, it's on the tos. You all AGREE with it everytime you install, purchase or open a game"

I admit defeat. I wasn't aware it was on the ToS anyway, since I don't really play games on PC.

[Sylvara]

Edit: Nevermind.

Modifié par Sylvara, 22 février 2012 - 04:31 .

[Merchant2006]

I'm bookmarking this thread. I haven't laughed this hard on BSN for a long time.

[Khaz]

Sometimes they deserve a second chance, but no more.

[NarfGarg]

Merchant2006 wrote...

I'm bookmarking this thread. I haven't laughed this hard on BSN for a long time.

Are you mentally deficient?

Ended up making a new account and not caring anymore. Just need to remember to not cheat my level again.

[Heather Cline]

You get no sympathy at all. It's been standard practice since early MMO's and PC people started cheating online to ban accounts and IP's for such a thing. It is also why when multiplayer and MMO's went to console that creating cheat codes for the console version of games back when there was GameShark and Code Breaker to ban those accounts too. It is also why if you cheat in a Multiplayer game on say the Xbox system your entire Xbox Live account is banned by microsoft.

Seriously... you screwed yourself.

[Aynien]

NarfGarg wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

I'm bookmarking this thread. I haven't laughed this hard on BSN for a long time.

Are you mentally deficient?

Ended up making a new account and not caring anymore. Just need to remember to not cheat my level again.

And this is why I agree with banning the whole account when got cheating. They don't learn their lesson...

[Bamboo33]

Why do you guys care so much about if he/she cheated his rank ? Are your lives affected by it ? Is there some competitive mode I haven't heard about ? Most likely because you would like to know how to do the same but are clueless.

@OP : Seriously. By going over the cap you were asking to get your account closed.

[MrAtomica]

OP:

There are only two ways (at least in this kind of file structure) that you could have accomplished the feat of getting a higher N7 level.

1. You changed the amount of total experience that multiplayer characters can acquire, then added some extra levels to the level strings.

2. You changed your actual N7 ranking stored in your local save file.

Since I know of no save editor currently available, and since there are only 6 classes available regardless of extra race/class combos, I have to assume you did the first thing I mentioned. In which case, you are a colossal moron, and managed to do nothing but bring negative attention to modding on the whole.

Never, ever make an obviously discernible change like giving yourself unattainable levels when there are public records. This is the easiest ban in the world for the admins, and should come as no surprise to you. If you are going to mod, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!!! For Christ's sake, I keep posting this in every thread about modding, and it seems some are either blind or willfully ignorant.

Oh, and one last thing. A responsible modder understands that you NEVER come on a public forum and ask a self-incriminating question like this. Ever. It not only attracts attention from devs, it also makes the rest of us look like idiots. If you screw yourself over doing something you shouldn't have been doing, purely because of your own inability to understand that you would be caught, then that is something you, and you alone must deal with.

Good day.

[MrAtomica]

Bamboo33 wrote...

Why do you guys care so much about if he/she cheated his rank ? Are your lives affected by it ? Is there some competitive mode I haven't heard about ? Most likely because you would like to know how to do the same but are clueless.

@OP : Seriously. By going over the cap you were asking to get your account closed.

I think that many people can respect the modders who choose to keep their activities clandestine and private. It's when people like the OP come in and make threads asking why they were banned, after they did something as clearly incriminating as going over the level limit on a public leaderboard, that some of the nastier critics come out of the woodwork.

Modding =/= hacking.
But hacking = modding.

It's a bit like the difference between a square and rectangle. Hacking is only possible because of modding or mod tools. However, hacking is more a term used to define people who "cheat" in public lobbies, or who grief others with it. Modding one's own game, for one's own amusement, when one is not with others, is not hacking in the sense that it's meant here. This argument isn't acceptable to many in this community, but I stand by it. Let us enjoy our games how we want when we do it alone, but feel free to attack people like the OP.

[Bamboo33]

MrAtomica wrote...

I think that many people can respect the modders who choose to keep their activities clandestine and private. It's when people like the OP come in and make threads asking why they were banned, after they did something as clearly incriminating as going over the level limit on a public leaderboard, that some of the nastier critics come out of the woodwork.

Modding =/= hacking.
But hacking = modding.

It's a bit like the difference between a square and rectangle. Hacking is only possible because of modding or mod tools. However, hacking is more a term used to define people who "cheat" in public lobbies, or who grief others with it. Modding one's own game, for one's own amusement, when one is not with others, is not hacking in the sense that it's meant here. This argument isn't acceptable to many in this community, but I stand by it. Let us enjoy our games how we want when we do it alone, but feel free to attack people like the OP.

Yeah I didn't explain myself properly.
What I meant is that in this case the OP is wrong and got banned because of himself / herself.
What I don't get is why everyone is so upset about it. I mean, if this were a competitive multiplayer game I can understand how higher stats, more weapons etc. can affect others. However in a purely co-op environment.. who cares ?

Modifié par Bamboo33, 22 février 2012 - 05:53 .

[mybudgee]

Epic fail
Related question: Did you poo your trousers or have you merely not done laundry for way too long??

Modifié par mybudgee, 22 février 2012 - 06:03 .

[Kilshrek]

Bamboo33 wrote...
Yeah I didn't explain myself properly.
What I meant is that in this case the OP is wrong and got banned because of himself / herself.
What I don't get is why everyone is so upset about it. I mean, if this were a competitive multiplayer game I can understand how higher stats, more weapons etc. can affect others. However in a purely co-op environment.. who cares ?

People should care. Because : 

1) People need to earn to earn these things like most others do. Co-op only is hardly an excuse.
2) This affects the people playing with the cheater, as it clearly imbalances the game, co-op or not.
3) The modder/cheater getting banned is fine, but what about the consequences for people who may have joined a lobby run by one? Guilt by association is a terrible thing.

If you ever get banned for joining a hacked lobby you may be singing a different tune. Or, maybe because it simply ruins the fun for everyone else.

[MrAtomica]

Bamboo33 wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

I think that many people can respect the modders who choose to keep their activities clandestine and private. It's when people like the OP come in and make threads asking why they were banned, after they did something as clearly incriminating as going over the level limit on a public leaderboard, that some of the nastier critics come out of the woodwork.

Modding =/= hacking.
But hacking = modding.

It's a bit like the difference between a square and rectangle. Hacking is only possible because of modding or mod tools. However, hacking is more a term used to define people who "cheat" in public lobbies, or who grief others with it. Modding one's own game, for one's own amusement, when one is not with others, is not hacking in the sense that it's meant here. This argument isn't acceptable to many in this community, but I stand by it. Let us enjoy our games how we want when we do it alone, but feel free to attack people like the OP.

Yeah I didn't explain myself properly.
What I meant is that in this case the OP is wrong and got banned because of himself / herself.
What I don't get is why everyone is so upset about it. I mean, if this were a competitive multiplayer game I can understand how higher stats, more weapons etc. can affect others. However in a purely co-op environment.. who cares ?

Honestly, I wonder the same thing. I think it's a result of the high level of competitiveness that most online games carry with them, and that pervades modern society. We want to always be the best, to beat the other guy, even when he's supposed to be our friend or ally. I'm not saying that a competitive spirit is fundamentally wrong, or that it doesn't have positives, but I believe that the overemphasis on it has ruined online gaming. Play any round of BF3, and I can almost guarantee you will hear insults aplenty being hurled around. Same with MW3, GoW3, TF2, and any game where teamwork and "skill" come into play.

Being a cooperative game, you might think that people would simmer down and just enjoy themselves. Not so. At least, not always so. If Bioware had only neglected to put in a leaderboard, had left out the personal "N7 level", and had made unlocks easier to achieve all around, the community would be less apt to get angry over modding. As it is, there still exists an impetus to be "the best". I haven't experienced this yet, and I've had a great deal of fun with friends, but I can see it evolving on the boards and in some games. Every thread about "Overpowered equipment" or "X class is stealing all my kills" or "New players are cramping my style" only proves my point. This game is a team effort, folks, so chill out.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

That's how cheaters end. No idea to help you, try contactic EA support and beg them.

[Bamboo33]

I doubt they would ban 3 randoms for playing in a game where only one of them is using a modded file. I've been playing BF3 for a couple of months and EA fails to ban even the most blatant cheaters, let alone people not directly involved.
And how does it ruin your fun ? How does the fact that someone playing with modded guns in his corner affect anyone ( not OP in this case ) ?

[MrAtomica]

Kilshrek wrote...

Bamboo33 wrote...
Yeah I didn't explain myself properly.
What I meant is that in this case the OP is wrong and got banned because of himself / herself.
What I don't get is why everyone is so upset about it. I mean, if this were a competitive multiplayer game I can understand how higher stats, more weapons etc. can affect others. However in a purely co-op environment.. who cares ?

People should care. Because : 

1) People need to earn to earn these things like most others do. Co-op only is hardly an excuse.
2) This affects the people playing with the cheater, as it clearly imbalances the game, co-op or not.
3) The modder/cheater getting banned is fine, but what about the consequences for people who may have joined a lobby run by one? Guilt by association is a terrible thing.

If you ever get banned for joining a hacked lobby you may be singing a different tune. Or, maybe because it simply ruins the fun for everyone else.

1) Why? Unlocks equate to time. They are nothing more than a simple timesink. They also equate to a higher chance of squad success. If the person unlocked them all on their own time, then why worry? Also, how would you know they "cheated"? Most modders don't admit to doing it. Nor could you prove they did.

2) This assumes you are dealing with a troll/griefer. They are not representative of the modding community. They choose to act like this to get a rise out of others. If you get into a lobby with one, leave. Or kick them.

3) This is why flatly banning for modded lobbies won't happen. Bioware/EA knows about collateral damage. I seriously doubt they would ban anyone who is not OBVIOUSLY hacking. If this does happen, expect huge community blowback.

But again, not all modders are hackers. Some just want to play ME3 how they want to play it. If it isn't affecting your game, then there is no issue. They are not gaining any competitive advantage. Everyone is entitled to their own enjoyment.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 22 février 2012 - 06:12 .

[Strephon Gentry]

Actions have consequences. Some people have forgotten that.

[NarfGarg]

MrAtomica wrote...

OP:

There are only two ways (at least in this kind of file structure) that you could have accomplished the feat of getting a higher N7 level.

1. You changed the amount of total experience that multiplayer characters can acquire, then added some extra levels to the level strings.
Oh, and one last thing. A responsible modder understands that you NEVER come on a public forum and ask a self-incriminating question like this. 

This is exactly what I did.
        "(Level=21,ExperienceRequired=2500001,TalentReward=6)"      ],      "maxplayerexperience": [        "2500001"
Then find maxplayerlevel for MP and change it to 21 also.

Oh and its funny that everyone seems to act like this is some huge deal for me :D

[Kilshrek]

MrAtomica wrote...

1) Why? Unlocks equate to time. They are nothing more than a simple timesink. They also equate to a higher chance of squad success. If the person unlocked them all on their own time, then why worry? Also, how would you know they "cheated"? Most modders don't admit to doing it. Nor could you prove they did.

2) This assumes you are dealing with a troll/griefer. They are not representative of the modding community. They choose to act like this to get a rise out of others. If you get into a lobby with one, leave. Or kick them.

3) This is why flatly banning for modded lobbies won't happen. Bioware/EA knows about collateral damage. I seriously doubt they would ban anyone who is not OBVIOUSLY hacking. If this does happen, expect huge community blowback.

But again, not all modders are hackers. Some just want to play ME3 how they want to play it. If it isn't affecting your game, then there is no issue. They are not gaining any competitive advantage. Everyone is entitled to their own enjoyment.

Your points are really more relevant to a single player experience, how someone mods their game to run in sp shouldn't be the business of anyone else. However the moment they step into the mp arena, co-op or not, they should be playing by the same rules. Just because someone doesn't like to wait, or doesn't want to spend the time necessary to get x unlocks doesn't give them the right to mod it into their game, that same thing which may have taken another player any number of hours to achieve. Admitting to it or not is another thing, but getting caught for doing it really revokes any right to complain, surely. And, just so we're clear, I hate cheaters in mp even if they're on my team, because it may make it a damn easy ride for us, but I also sit and twiddle my thumbs. It's a waste of my time to play with a cheater, because it really takes out most of the fun of actually playing the game.

#2 especially is relevant because a modded player may have a significant advantage over the others they are playing with. I don't know about you, but if I was in a game with a soldier throwing infinite grenades, or throwing a grenade that takes out an Atlas in one go, what should I be doing then? What about the xp I'm in the game for? Sure you'll get all the relevant match bonuses, but what else?

I agree that completely banning a lobby for association with a hacker/modder is extreme but EA's banhammer has been somewhat erratic and without much reason and justification at times. Again, would you be happy if it happened to you?

Modifié par Kilshrek, 22 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[Aynien]

Bamboo33 wrote...

And how does it ruin your fun ? How does the fact that someone playing with modded guns in his corner affect anyone ( not OP in this case ) ?

Because sometimes they don't stick to their corner. Sometimes they come into your corner and by having overpowered itens/skills he will take away the challlenger that some of us loves to much.

And because it's a co-op, I should have someone who cheated his way, ruin my experience?(And remember that we can't controll in wich lobby we will get, when applying for a quicky match)

[Bamboo33]

Do you people actually read what others write ?
We're talking about people who do this and don't go onto public games.
People who go into pub matches while cheating DO deserve to get banned.

Modifié par Bamboo33, 22 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[MrAtomica]

Kilshrek wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

1) Why? Unlocks equate to time. They are nothing more than a simple timesink. They also equate to a higher chance of squad success. If the person unlocked them all on their own time, then why worry? Also, how would you know they "cheated"? Most modders don't admit to doing it. Nor could you prove they did.

2) This assumes you are dealing with a troll/griefer. They are not representative of the modding community. They choose to act like this to get a rise out of others. If you get into a lobby with one, leave. Or kick them.

3) This is why flatly banning for modded lobbies won't happen. Bioware/EA knows about collateral damage. I seriously doubt they would ban anyone who is not OBVIOUSLY hacking. If this does happen, expect huge community blowback.

But again, not all modders are hackers. Some just want to play ME3 how they want to play it. If it isn't affecting your game, then there is no issue. They are not gaining any competitive advantage. Everyone is entitled to their own enjoyment.

Your points are really more relevant to a single player experience, how someone mods their game to run in sp shouldn't be the business of anyone else. However the moment they step into the mp arena, co-op or not, they should be playing by the same rules. Just because someone doesn't like to wait, or doesn't want to spend the time necessary to get x unlocks doesn't give them the right to mod it into their game, that same thing which may have taken another player any number of hours to achieve. Admitting to it or not is another thing, but getting caught for doing it really revokes any right to complain, surely. And, just so we're clear, I hate cheaters in mp even if they're on my team, because it may make it a damn easy ride for us, but I also sit and twiddle my thumbs. It's a waste of my time to play with a cheater, because it really takes out most of the fun of actually playing the game.

#2 especially is relevant because a modded player may have a significant advantage over the others they are playing with. I don't know about you, but if I was in a game with a soldier throwing infinite grenades, or throwing a grenade that takes out an Atlas in one go, what should I be doing then? What about the xp I'm in the game for? Sure you'll get all the relevant match bonuses, but what else?

I agree that completely banning a lobby for association with a hacker/modder is extreme but EA's banhammer has been somewhat erratic and without much reason and justification at times. Again, would you be happy if it happened to you?

I should clarify. I was speaking of modders who play "multiplayer" privately, not those who come into public lobbies with infinite ammo or some such. Those types of people deserve a ban, and  are much more likely to get one. But, and this is a big but, there are private match modders as well. The only advantage they have over legitimates is having to spend less time on unlocks. Considering that the amount of time required is actually rather small, this isn't a big deal.

When I defend modding, I only defend those who play by themselves. I will NEVER protect or speak out for people who bring their mods into the public arena. The OP was a fool to do this, and even more foolish to come onto a forum with some expectation of leniency.

[MrAtomica]

Aynien wrote...

Bamboo33 wrote...

And how does it ruin your fun ? How does the fact that someone playing with modded guns in his corner affect anyone ( not OP in this case ) ?

Because sometimes they don't stick to their corner. Sometimes they come into your corner and by having overpowered itens/skills he will take away the challlenger that some of us loves to much.

And because it's a co-op, I should have someone who cheated his way, ruin my experience?(And remember that we can't controll in wich lobby we will get, when applying for a quicky match)

Again, Bamboo and I are speaking only of modders who DO NOT enter public lobbies. They are a different breed from those who mod public lobbies.

Edit: Or leaderboards. I mean this in the sense of giving themselves otherwise unreachable levels or stats.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 22 février 2012 - 06:37 .