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Ar7emis

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DLC has become something that's just plain retarded now.

Let's take a look back at what DLC was back in the day: Before, DLC used to just be simply patches for a game that would keep the thing running - things like fixing glitches and/or bugs that people found in the game that detracted from the experience so ultimately gamers would be able to play the game the way the developers wanted. Very rarely would one see extra missions and what-not that had no relevance to the game itself. They were made merely so people would keep playing the game long after it came out.

Now? Now we get stuck with having to download 57 'optional' sidequests, characters, and missions that, while being 'optional', alter the game dramatically. Why?

Because money...

I wouldn't really care that much to be honest, but quite frankly the content they choose to put in DLC these days is retarded as well. I could understand if it was something like a map pack or something the majority are all begging for that would make the game better, but making a character a DLC is just stupid.

Making it day one DLC is even more stupid.

Some people who buy the CE are pissed because the 'content they stood in a line for and had to pre-order' will be available to everyone, which more or less negates the whole concept of pre-ordering the damn thing. Sure you get an artbook and other artsy fartsy stuff, but other than a rare few people or hardcore fans, most care about the DLC.

People who don't get the collector's edition are pissed because in all reality the disc they are buying is just the one out of the collector's edition box but they have to pay another tenner to unlock the content on it. (You can't in all honesty, with the way companies are now, expect me to believe Bioware would go out and make two separate disks with different content. The label on the top might be different, but the disc is still the same.)

Honestly, I blame the publishers. Its all a rush to see who can get their crap out the fastest. Because of this, content gets cut. Then later sold as DLC. Sure the developers get money, but who do you think told them to do it in the first place?

Of course this isn't even the worst part. Because a lot of games are mostly DLC nowadays, whats going to happen when the next generation of consoles come out?

I'll tell you....

The old consoles get taken off the servers. Then the games get taken of the servers. Then the DLC gets taken off the servers. Happened with the original Xbox very quickly. People can't get any DLC for some of the games they had like Halo 2 or KotOR anymore. (inb4gloriousPCmasterrace) Or maybe the content gets corrupted and you can't redownload it because there's no service for that...

Better buy this **** quick and not delete it!

The whole concept of DLC is ruining everything, especially console gaming. This character was originally fully integrated with the main game, now he's a tenner because we discovered what was going on with the leaked script.

The worst part is that completionists, like myself, are actually going to buy this and therefore companies are encouraged to do the same thing. So I'll see you guys on launch day with my 57 copies of Mass Effect 3 so I make sure I have everything possible for the 'full experience'.

/rant

Modifié par Ar7emis, 22 février 2012 - 08:52 .


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crimzontearz

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The ethical debate about DLC can go on forever but there is a very simple line drawn in the sand that makes everything that much more simple but everyone seems to ignore it

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GIJooTheWarHero

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I agree!

Lair of the Shadow Broker soooo ruined Mass Effect 2, you don't even know!

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Clearly DLC was much better when it was called expansions. Or just not included in the game period.

Not to say that there aren't issues with many current DLC models (I am looking at you, Bioware), but people act like DLC itself is the problem when it really isn't. There is nothing inherently wrong with DLC. In fact, DLC is quite likely a good thing.

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AndrewRogue wrote...

Clearly DLC was much better when it was called expansions. Or just not included in the game period.

Not to say that there aren't issues with many current DLC models (I am looking at you, Bioware), but people act like DLC itself is the problem when it really isn't. There is nothing inherently wrong with DLC. In fact, DLC is quite likely a good thing.


This.

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I miss expansions :(

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If you hate it and you buy it then you're part of the problem, aren't you? That's the only way on earth that companies will be deterred from making dlc. If no one buys it.

So you can use your obssessive compulsive personality as an excuse but the reality is you shouldn't buy it if you want to make any kind of point against dlc.

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AndrewRogue wrote...

Clearly DLC was much better when it was called expansions. Or just not included in the game period.

Not to say that there aren't issues with many current DLC models (I am looking at you, Bioware), but people act like DLC itself is the problem when it really isn't. There is nothing inherently wrong with DLC. In fact, DLC is quite likely a good thing.


I agree. DLC when it was something the developers worked on for a while after the game was released to keep the fans playing was good, look at TES IV: The Shivering Isles, that was an amazing DLC and the price I paid was more than justified by the content.

Bit it's when things like this start happening that DLC starts being a problem because of the developers/publishers.

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LOL, without DLC you wouldn't have cool weapons and armors or oyu couldn't get to known the back story of certain characters, because sometimes, those things cannot be included in the main game.

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Texhnolyze101

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I have never bought dlc for any game other than the ME series and DAO.

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Texhnolyze101

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CptBomBom00 wrote...

LOL, without DLC you wouldn't have cool weapons and armors or oyu couldn't get to known the back story of certain characters, because sometimes, those things cannot be included in the main game.


Don't really care for "cool weapons and armors" and if the back story of a character isint in the base game than i don't really care for the character and never will.

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I've nothing against DLC if done right, but BioWare has proven they're not capable of that. My loyalty is based on the action/performance of a devs humility & quality of games. If any of these are lacking, then I'll simply move on to the next best thing. Some people here are so loyal, you wonder what their loyalty is based on.

Modifié par Darth Death, 22 février 2012 - 03:26 .


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AkiKishi

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Day 1 DLC lets publishers cash in even if the game bombs. If you total the DLC it will cost you more than the game.

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DarkPsylocke26

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Stop complainting about the DLC because no one is forcing you to buy the DLC.

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Oilking72 wrote...

If you hate it and you buy it then you're part of the problem, aren't you? That's the only way on earth that companies will be deterred from making dlc. If no one buys it.

So you can use your obssessive compulsive personality as an excuse but the reality is you shouldn't buy it if you want to make any kind of point against dlc.


People are not going to just stop buying dlc because there not only hooked there so use to every game having dlc that if a dev says they wont make dlc for a game those people automatic response is "GAME SUX!!11" kinda like with Demon souls the dev s said it was a complete game and they weren't going to make dlc....well guess what they changed there minds. :\\

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If you don't like this DLC concept, don't buy it. I really hope you won't. As long as you do, it will prevail.

Liar of the Shadow Broker=Very good DLC, in form of a small expansion pack.
Awakening for DA:O=real expansion of the story, good
DLC character on Day 1=shamelessly using fans, who kept the franchise alive, for extra some extra coin

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When done right, DLC is a fun addition to any game.

When done wrong, it's day one DLC for a tenner that literally could have been on the disk but isn't.

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DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

Stop complainting about the DLC because no one is forcing you to buy the DLC.


Stop misinterpreting my argument. I'm not saying I'm being forced to do anything, I'm saying that because one might decide not to buy a DLC that's simply disc-locked content then that person is denied an essential part of the game and therefore loses out on the overall experience.

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BobSmith101 wrote...

Day 1 DLC lets publishers cash in even if the game bombs. If you total the DLC it will cost you more than the game.


Day 1 DLC usually is either pre-order incentives or included with new copies, both don't cost you extra.  Those with collector's editions get extra for paying more, which is just fine.

So unless you're buying a used-game (which the money doesn't go towards the publisher/developer), there really isn't an issue with the Day 1 jazz.

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Of its an integral part of the story rather then an extra I am kinda forced to buy it. Armor weapons looks etc. if thats ready at launch for DLC fine, some people care for that stuff. But if an important part of the story is left out only to be added in via DLC... that kinda rattles my cage.

I have no problem with additions like lair of the shadow broker or arrival later on though. The lack of RP in arrival aside.

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Expansions would be better, like what they did with Awakening at Dragon Age.

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GIJooTheWarHero

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Ar7emis wrote...

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

Stop complainting about the DLC because no one is forcing you to buy the DLC.


Stop misinterpreting my argument. I'm not saying I'm being forced to do anything, I'm saying that because one might decide not to buy a DLC that's simply disc-locked content then that person is denied an essential part of the game and therefore loses out on the overall experience.


We lost the right of ownership of data on the discs a while ago.

Did you hear any of the arguments about the Day 1 DLC monstrosity that was Gears of War 3's DLC?

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ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Day 1 DLC lets publishers cash in even if the game bombs. If you total the DLC it will cost you more than the game.


Day 1 DLC usually is either pre-order incentives or included with new copies, both don't cost you extra.  Those with collector's editions get extra for paying more, which is just fine.

So unless you're buying a used-game (which the money doesn't go towards the publisher/developer), there really isn't an issue with the Day 1 jazz.




Sorry thats what I meant stuff you download on day 1 with codes in the game because you pre-ordered.

"Pre-order our game and we will give you lots of free stuff and if it sucks stuffU we already got your money".

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Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

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DLC is a wonderful thing when used correctly and responsibly. Look at Bethesda with Oblivion and Skyrim - they didn't pull resources off the main title pre-launch to make some DLC. They just made the best game they could make right up until release, THEN and ONLY THEN did they start working on DLC for the game.

Here's the WRONG ways to do DLC : Pulling your crew off the main game before it's even finished to work on DLC. Stripping out content that clearly is supposed to be in the main game and holding it back for lame "Day 1 DLC" and to sell unlock codes later. Offering special DLC "pre-order" bonuses to a bunch of places without putting all the pre-order goodies in the collector edition of the game.