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[RiouHotaru]

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

THIS is perhaps the best comparison I've seen yet for how silly the DLC argument is.

[Farbautisonn]

OowYelnzai wrote...

I've sucked about 20 dicks to get this job

-only 20?

[RiouHotaru]

Someone link to Stanley's thread where he explains exactly HOW Day 1 DLC actually works?

[majorfalcon00]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

THIS is perhaps the best comparison I've seen yet for how silly the DLC argument is.

Lol but deleted scenes come with the extra features free of charge.  Your arguement has just been proven invalid.  Try again.

[N7soldier]

first of all, thanks to everyone who posted in my letter to bioware topic. I tried to be as respectful to them and to you guys as much as possible. I wanted to make a reply but the topic was locked so I'll say my part here. Just because I don't buy the CE doesn't make me any less of a fan and I wrote that not out of self entitlement but as a gamer who doesn't want to see bioware go deeper down the capcom hole. I have great respect for these developers but, like capcom, I can not support them if they continue to do this so I will not buy the DLC. will it make a difference to bioware? hell no but my conscience will thank me. remember, vote with your wallets!

[Rikriel]

How could anyone call the standard edition the complete game? It isn't complete no matter what stretch of logic you make up.

Let me give you an example:

So I'm making a pizza for all of my friends.
I bake the pizza and then cut it into 6 slices.
I take away one slice before I give it to my friends.
I make my friends pay me for that sixth slice.

They made the game and then put aside content before they released it: ergo it's a 5-slice pizza. Not a complete pizza. NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA.

[RiouHotaru]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

THIS is perhaps the best comparison I've seen yet for how silly the DLC argument is.

Lol but deleted scenes come with the extra features free of charge.  Your arguement has just been proven invalid.  Try again.

Not always.  The Avatar standard DVD edition didn't come with the deleted scenes.

But the BluRay (which was WAY more expensive) did.

[RiouHotaru]

Rikriel wrote...

How could anyone call the standard edition the complete game? It isn't complete no matter what stretch of logic you make up.

Let me give you an example:

So I'm making a pizza for all of my friends.
I bake the pizza and then cut it into 6 slices.
I take away one slice before I give it to my friends.
I make my friends pay me for that sixth slice.

They made the game and then put aside content before they released it: ergo it's a 5-slice pizza. Not a complete pizza. NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA.

Bad comparison, let me fix that for you:

You make a pizza for your friends
You bake the pizza and cut it into six slices
You bake an additional slice alongside the main pizza
You then ask your friends to pay for the SEVENTH slice as an extra

THAT'S how it works.

EDIT: Someone found the typo I'd made for me, thanks dude!

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 22 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[majorfalcon00]

RiouHotaru wrote...

majorfalcon00 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

THIS is perhaps the best comparison I've seen yet for how silly the DLC argument is.

Lol but deleted scenes come with the extra features free of charge.  Your arguement has just been proven invalid.  Try again.

Not always.  The Avatar standard DVD edition didn't come with the deleted scenes.

But the BluRay (which was WAY more expensive) did.

Ok, well then I can compare that publisher to Bioware on their tactics.  Just like other publisher/devs in this industry (CD Project Red comes to mind), many movie releases allow deleted scenes and extra features free of charge (Drive is a good example). 

[Commdor]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Rikriel wrote...

How could anyone call the standard edition the complete game? It isn't complete no matter what stretch of logic you make up.

Let me give you an example:

So I'm making a pizza for all of my friends.
I bake the pizza and then cut it into 6 slices.
I take away one slice before I give it to my friends.
I make my friends pay me for that sixth slice.

They made the game and then put aside content before they released it: ergo it's a 5-slice pizza. Not a complete pizza. NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA.

Bad comparison, let me fix that for you:

You make a pizza for your friends
You bake the pizza and cut it into six slices
You bake an additional slice alongside the main pizza
You then ask your friends to pay for the sixth slice as an extra

THAT'S how it works.

Can the extra slice be cheesy breadsticks instead?

Modifié par Commdor, 22 février 2012 - 09:40 .

[xsdob]

You people have no idea about horrible dlc or milking customers dry...none of you.

You want outrageous money milking ploys, how about having to pay Microsoft points, or play station dollars to buy clothes and colored dyes for those individual outfits, at 80 points a dye, in fable 3. Or how about paying money to level up, like tales of vesperia, or having to spend actual money in order to get more in game money, like all the facebook scam games do.

Can you imagine having to pay 80 Microsoft points to get a color customization for your Shepard's armor, level up his stats, or buy more stuff from shops...yeah, didn't think so.

So you go on and complain about side-quest and extra characters, but don't forget that it could be a hell of a lot worse than this, and that Bioware has been very generous to your ungrateful behinds lately.

[Rikriel]

Normally I'd agree, but not with such a vital character and not as Day 1 DLC.

MASS EFFECT 3 IS NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT AAAAAAAAAA COMPLEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEE PIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[saturos2]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Rikriel wrote...

How could anyone call the standard edition the complete game? It isn't complete no matter what stretch of logic you make up.

Let me give you an example:

So I'm making a pizza for all of my friends.
I bake the pizza and then cut it into 6 slices.
I take away one slice before I give it to my friends.
I make my friends pay me for that sixth slice.

They made the game and then put aside content before they released it: ergo it's a 5-slice pizza. Not a complete pizza. NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA.

Bad comparison, let me fix that for you:

You make a pizza for your friends
You bake the pizza and cut it into six slices
You bake an additional slice alongside the main pizza
You then ask your friends to pay for the sixth slice as an extra

THAT'S how it works.

i spy with my little eye, a flaw in your logic.

[RiouHotaru]

saturos2 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Rikriel wrote...

How could anyone call the standard edition the complete game? It isn't complete no matter what stretch of logic you make up.

Let me give you an example:

So I'm making a pizza for all of my friends.
I bake the pizza and then cut it into 6 slices.
I take away one slice before I give it to my friends.
I make my friends pay me for that sixth slice.

They made the game and then put aside content before they released it: ergo it's a 5-slice pizza. Not a complete pizza. NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA.

Bad comparison, let me fix that for you:

You make a pizza for your friends
You bake the pizza and cut it into six slices
You bake an additional slice alongside the main pizza
You then ask your friends to pay for the sixth slice as an extra

THAT'S how it works.

i spy with my little eye, a flaw in your logic.

Whoops, you're right.  I should have said SEVENTH slice, not six.

My apologies.

[eye basher]

HA! people are gonna feel really stupid when they get there vaunted Prothean and realize that he has no part in the plot of the story.

[Descy_]

RiouHotaru wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Rikriel wrote...

How could anyone call the standard edition the complete game? It isn't complete no matter what stretch of logic you make up.

Let me give you an example:

So I'm making a pizza for all of my friends.
I bake the pizza and then cut it into 6 slices.
I take away one slice before I give it to my friends.
I make my friends pay me for that sixth slice.

They made the game and then put aside content before they released it: ergo it's a 5-slice pizza. Not a complete pizza. NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA.

Bad comparison, let me fix that for you:

You make a pizza for your friends
You bake the pizza and cut it into six slices
You bake an additional slice alongside the main pizza
You then ask your friends to pay for the sixth slice as an extra

THAT'S how it works.

i spy with my little eye, a flaw in your logic.

Whoops, you're right.  I should have said SEVENTH slice, not six.

My apologies.

Im not sure if you agree with Rikriel or not, Riou.
You're comparisons are different, not a corrected version of the other.

[majorfalcon00]

xsdob wrote...

You people have no idea about horrible dlc or milking customers dry...none of you.

You want outrageous money milking ploys, how about having to pay Microsoft points, or play station dollars to buy clothes and colored dyes for those individual outfits, at 80 points a dye, in fable 3. Or how about paying money to level up, like tales of vesperia, or having to spend actual money in order to get more in game money, like all the facebook scam games do.

Can you imagine having to pay 80 Microsoft points to get a color customization for your Shepard's armor, level up his stats, or buy more stuff from shops...yeah, didn't think so.

So you go on and complain about side-quest and extra characters, but don't forget that it could be a hell of a lot worse than this, and that Bioware has been very generous to your ungrateful behinds lately.

DA2 and TOR would argue with Bioware being generous.  Its a process, something that needs to be gauged overtime.  If you look at it overtime, Bioware has been getting less and less generous...and worse and worse with their DLC deals.  ME2 at least allowed Day 1 DLC to be free if you bought the game new.  Now that doesn't even matter anymore.

[vader da slayer]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

You people have no idea about horrible dlc or milking customers dry...none of you.

You want outrageous money milking ploys, how about having to pay Microsoft points, or play station dollars to buy clothes and colored dyes for those individual outfits, at 80 points a dye, in fable 3. Or how about paying money to level up, like tales of vesperia, or having to spend actual money in order to get more in game money, like all the facebook scam games do.

Can you imagine having to pay 80 Microsoft points to get a color customization for your Shepard's armor, level up his stats, or buy more stuff from shops...yeah, didn't think so.

So you go on and complain about side-quest and extra characters, but don't forget that it could be a hell of a lot worse than this, and that Bioware has been very generous to your ungrateful behinds lately.

DA2 and TOR would argue with Bioware being generous.  Its a process, something that needs to be gauged overtime.  If you look at it overtime, Bioware has been getting less and less generous...and worse and worse with their DLC deals.  ME2 at least allowed Day 1 DLC to be free if you bought the game new.  Now that doesn't even matter anymore.

TOR follows the basic MMO model. they aren't gipping anyone with it and there isn't any DLC (in the traditional since of what people call DLC) for it if you are trying to go at it from that angle.

[Phaedon]

Rikriel wrote...

How could anyone call the standard edition the complete game? It isn't complete no matter what stretch of logic you make up.

Let me give you an example:

So I'm making a pizza for all of my friends.
I bake the pizza and then cut it into 6 slices.
I take away one slice before I give it to my friends.
I make my friends pay me for that sixth slice.

They made the game and then put aside content before they released it: ergo it's a 5-slice pizza. Not a complete pizza. NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PIZZA.

By that logic, no game is complete. According to your standards, anyway. Dozens of GBs of content either gets scrapped or gets replaced with improved versions of that content. Ashley's face and casual clothing texture changed, and we don't get the chance to buy them, but I don't see you complaining about them, are you?

If anything that just demonestrates that your logic is to be applied only whenever it suits you. If the story makes internal sense and the product is worth 60$, then it's as complete as it gets.

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[majorfalcon00]

vader da slayer wrote...

majorfalcon00 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

You people have no idea about horrible dlc or milking customers dry...none of you.

You want outrageous money milking ploys, how about having to pay Microsoft points, or play station dollars to buy clothes and colored dyes for those individual outfits, at 80 points a dye, in fable 3. Or how about paying money to level up, like tales of vesperia, or having to spend actual money in order to get more in game money, like all the facebook scam games do.

Can you imagine having to pay 80 Microsoft points to get a color customization for your Shepard's armor, level up his stats, or buy more stuff from shops...yeah, didn't think so.

So you go on and complain about side-quest and extra characters, but don't forget that it could be a hell of a lot worse than this, and that Bioware has been very generous to your ungrateful behinds lately.

DA2 and TOR would argue with Bioware being generous.  Its a process, something that needs to be gauged overtime.  If you look at it overtime, Bioware has been getting less and less generous...and worse and worse with their DLC deals.  ME2 at least allowed Day 1 DLC to be free if you bought the game new.  Now that doesn't even matter anymore.

TOR follows the basic MMO model. they aren't gipping anyone with it and there isn't any DLC (in the traditional since of what people call DLC) for it if you are trying to go at it from that angle.

No I'm talking about the quality of their games.  TOR and DA2 were of lower quality than their predecessors via majority of player opinion.  That, combined with the DLC differences between ME2 and ME3 is showing the route Bioware is going, and it is for the worse.

[Rikriel]

Phaedon wrote...

If anything that just demonestrates that your logic is to be applied only whenever it suits you. If the story makes internal sense and the product is worth 60$, then it's as complete as it gets.

Pizza aside, well, I don't agree with the first point, because I'm arguing that the story won't make internal sense without the DLC. Now this isn't logic, just my assumption, but I imagine that there'll be plot holes in the main 'standard' story that will be answered with the DLC. If the character isn't integral to the plot, and the plot is standalone and without plot holes WITHOUT needing the character, then I guess that's okay - then it's just a choice of whether you want a new party member that gives you some new dialogue and information about THEMSELVES and not the main plot or if you just want the main game. If that's the case then sure, I'm still not happy about Day 1 DLC anyway, but I wouldn't be as irritated at Bioware.

[vader da slayer]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

majorfalcon00 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

You people have no idea about horrible dlc or milking customers dry...none of you.

You want outrageous money milking ploys, how about having to pay Microsoft points, or play station dollars to buy clothes and colored dyes for those individual outfits, at 80 points a dye, in fable 3. Or how about paying money to level up, like tales of vesperia, or having to spend actual money in order to get more in game money, like all the facebook scam games do.

Can you imagine having to pay 80 Microsoft points to get a color customization for your Shepard's armor, level up his stats, or buy more stuff from shops...yeah, didn't think so.

So you go on and complain about side-quest and extra characters, but don't forget that it could be a hell of a lot worse than this, and that Bioware has been very generous to your ungrateful behinds lately.

DA2 and TOR would argue with Bioware being generous.  Its a process, something that needs to be gauged overtime.  If you look at it overtime, Bioware has been getting less and less generous...and worse and worse with their DLC deals.  ME2 at least allowed Day 1 DLC to be free if you bought the game new.  Now that doesn't even matter anymore.

TOR follows the basic MMO model. they aren't gipping anyone with it and there isn't any DLC (in the traditional since of what people call DLC) for it if you are trying to go at it from that angle.

No I'm talking about the quality of their games.  TOR and DA2 were of lower quality than their predecessors via majority of player opinion.  That, combined with the DLC differences between ME2 and ME3 is showing the route Bioware is going, and it is for the worse.

TOR is great. people don't understand that when an MMO is launched it won't be as good as other types of games. If you look at other MMO launches they are riddled with (more) bugs, like in WoW day 1 you couldn't loot stuff and if you got lucky and could the loot tables didn't work properly so the thing you looted most likely wouldn't have anything in it anyway, that range from debilitating to superficial. TOR had bugs at launch but all of those are ironned out now (was playing last night).

as far as the story of each class goes they are all done pretty well (vastly better than any other mmo's story) with some small exceptions to certain spots in each story. not to mention the fact that its fully voiced and has a fun and working PVP system intact on day 1.

the majority of the people who say TOR is bad are just those thinking it would be WoW 2.0 (as in WoW in its current state with a SW theme). i.e. those that think its bad are those that deluted themselves into thinking it would be something it was never trying to be (similar to what a lot of people on this forums do).

Modifié par vader da slayer, 22 février 2012 - 09:58 .

[Gildo2000]

this thread gives me a chubby

[Reptillius]

RiouHotaru wrote...

majorfalcon00 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

THIS is perhaps the best comparison I've seen yet for how silly the DLC argument is.

Lol but deleted scenes come with the extra features free of charge.  Your arguement has just been proven invalid.  Try again.

Not always.  The Avatar standard DVD edition didn't come with the deleted scenes.

But the BluRay (which was WAY more expensive) did.

this is actually wrong. The origional release of both the DVD and the Blueray did not come with anything but the movie.  The Re-releases of the Avatar DVD and blueray come not only with all of the extra's but extra footage actually added to the movie itself as well.

I work retail. I sell these items.