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[pnakasone]

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

Simple to get the rateing they want or to get the film legnth they want for theater release. Director cuts can be sold on dvd as unrated while therater cuts have to be rated and unlike a theater at home you can pause a film and finish  watching it later.

[vader da slayer]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...



TOR is great. people don't understand that when an MMO is launched it won't be as good as other types of games. If you look at other MMO launches they are riddled with (more) bugs, like in WoW day 1 you couldn't loot stuff and if you got lucky and could the loot tables didn't work properly so the thing you looted most likely wouldn't have anything in it anyway, that range from debilitating to superficial. TOR had bugs at launch but all of those are ironned out now (was playing last night).

as far as the story of each class goes they are all done pretty well (vastly better than any other mmo's story) with some small exceptions to certain spots in each story. not to mention the fact that its fully voiced and has a fun and working PVP system intact on day 1.

Lets not discuss the numerous faults of TOR.  Its too long, just go to the official forums and see the issues.  Combat lag, frozen UI, poorly optimizaed engine, broken PvP (Ilum), imbalanced factions, static worlds, long loading times, no combat log, copy pasted WoW abilities, copy pasted WoW raid of 16 people hitting one mob even though they said they would never do that.

You need to compare TOR's launch to RIFT's launch since its more recent.  What you have is a staggering difference in quality and fixes.  RIFT was also created by a startup company with only a $50 mill budget, comparaded to BW/EA with a $200 mill budget.  TOR is not great, it is average at best. 

Back on topic, Bioware is slowly losing their crediability, and its a shame to see it become the next Capcom or Ubisoft who are almost universally hated by their player base with their DLC and DRM controversies.

what combat lag? that was fixed inside of a week of the early access.
fronzen UI? never heard of it.
lol world pvp. world pvp died when devs figured out it was only max lvl chars ganking lowbies. ilum is just there to appease wpvp people (also it isn't broken, I can easily go to ilum right now find a group and start killing opposing faction members if I wanted to)
there are imbalances in factions on any game where factions exists (on the 2 wow servers I was on the first was horde dominated the second (KT US) was Alliance dominated).
if 10-20 seconds is long wtf is short get off the 5400 rpm HDD (ie sub 3Gbps transfer speed).
and who needs a combat log? one would be awesome but the guild Im in we've cleared almost all the hardmode raid stuff with no real problems.
and copying traits of the best selling MMO is bad how? obviously they did something right.
raiding is always about hitting one mob......well as long as you dont count the one where each raid member (including healers) has to take their own mob and kill it (for 8 man).

and I had several friends that played rift (all of whom play TOR as well) and they all say that Rift had crazy issues as well at launch and is also a terrible MMO to begin with.

and to the on topic portion. how are they losing credibility? they are taking their games in a direction that they want too. just because you don't like the direction doesn't mean they are somehow discrediting their reputation.

[Druscylla]

I like the DLC. It keeps a game that otherwise becomes done and boring new and fresh. And it isn't like DLC and microtransactions are a new thing by any means or that its some new trick Bioware pulled out of its hat.

[CitizenSnips]

Mass Effect 3 is a complete game without any DLC. You do not have to buy the DLC. What is the problem here?

[HiroVoid]

saturos2 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Rikriel wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

If anything that just demonestrates that your logic is to be applied only whenever it suits you. If the story makes internal sense and the product is worth 60$, then it's as complete as it gets.

Pizza aside, well, I don't agree with the first point, because I'm arguing that the story won't make internal sense without the DLC. Now this isn't logic, just my assumption, but I imagine that there'll be plot holes in the main 'standard' story that will be answered with the DLC. If the character isn't integral to the plot, and the plot is standalone and without plot holes WITHOUT needing the character, then I guess that's okay - then it's just a choice of whether you want a new party member that gives you some new dialogue and information about THEMSELVES and not the main plot or if you just want the main game. If that's the case then sure, I'm still not happy about Day 1 DLC anyway, but I wouldn't be as irritated at Bioware.

So, do you have any proof that the SPOILER character is that important to the story, or are you actually deciding to be pessimistic about this game from the start? Because that's not smart at all. Let's no discuss about what it is...

If you are so concerned, then wait for the reviews. Professional or from friends. They will be reviewing the SE, DLC free edition as well. Until then, you have zero indication about the role of that character to the main plot.

maybe he read the leaks? which have been proven true to the actual product time and time again.

Those that have read the "leaks" and stuff. Have already stated the From Ashes Character doesn't offer anything relevant or plot hole fixing to the main game at all...  All he offers is a bit of flavour.  If your going to argue leaks as a source to throw fits against DLC. make sure they are accurate please.

/read the leaks

he WAS important in earlier drafts but then was rewritten to be not so important.

Probably so they could sell him as DLC. <_<

Why not Tin ****** instead I'll never understand.

this

Most likely.

[majorfalcon00]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a complete game without any DLC. You do not have to buy the DLC. What is the problem here?

When they start releasing RPG's that last 15 hours for $60 then offer 10 options of 2 hour long DLC content at $15 a pop afterwards....all of this on yearly release franchises like Madden and CoD....you'll begin to get the picture.

[Ar7emis]

Chun Hei wrote...



I love the BSN so much...

Ah yes, I should have established that ITT I am mad.

[rammsoldat]

I dig DLC, it adds nice features to great games if done right. Undead nightmare for red ded redemption was fantastic for example. Just some companies have ****** poor execution of it.

Really enjoyed the Shale DLC in dragon age, the return to ostagar one was crap, can get hit and miss.

[majorfalcon00]

vader da slayer wrote...


what combat lag? that was fixed inside of a week of the early access.
fronzen UI? never heard of it.
lol world pvp. world pvp died when devs figured out it was only max lvl chars ganking lowbies. ilum is just there to appease wpvp people (also it isn't broken, I can easily go to ilum right now find a group and start killing opposing faction members if I wanted to)
there are imbalances in factions on any game where factions exists (on the 2 wow servers I was on the first was horde dominated the second (KT US) was Alliance dominated).
if 10-20 seconds is long wtf is short get off the 5400 rpm HDD (ie sub 3Gbps transfer speed).
and who needs a combat log? one would be awesome but the guild Im in we've cleared almost all the hardmode raid stuff with no real problems.
and copying traits of the best selling MMO is bad how? obviously they did something right.
raiding is always about hitting one mob......well as long as you dont count the one where each raid member (including healers) has to take their own mob and kill it (for 8 man).

and I had several friends that played rift (all of whom play TOR as well) and they all say that Rift had crazy issues as well at launch and is also a terrible MMO to begin with.

and to the on topic portion. how are they losing credibility? they are taking their games in a direction that they want too. just because you don't like the direction doesn't mean they are somehow discrediting their reputation.

Taking their game in a direction that the majority of their fanbase dissapproves?  Does not the numerous amounts of forums posts about just this day 1 DLC not enough proof for you that its not what the customer wants?   I thought the idea of business was to appease customers......I guess times have changed.

I will not be a sheep any longer.

[Gabey5]

Druscylla wrote...

I like the DLC. It keeps a game that otherwise becomes done and boring new and fresh. And it isn't like DLC and microtransactions are a new thing by any means or that its some new trick Bioware pulled out of its hat.

Other people do it too is no excuse. If you make content before launch and take it out of the full game to sell it seperately that is wrong. Day one dlc is not new content, it is something they took out of the game and are selling seperately.

fair dlc would be things like lair of the shadow broker which was made after release, that would add something new and fresh

[Wevyc]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a complete game without any DLC. You do not have to buy the DLC. What is the problem here?

When they start releasing RPG's that last 15 hours for $60 then offer 10 options of 2 hour long DLC content at $15 a pop afterwards....all of this on yearly release franchises like Madden and CoD....you'll begin to get the picture.

Will they?

Get the picture I mean.

Modifié par Wevyc, 22 février 2012 - 10:35 .

[CitizenSnips]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a complete game without any DLC. You do not have to buy the DLC. What is the problem here?

When they start releasing RPG's that last 15 hours for $60 then offer 10 options of 2 hour long DLC content at $15 a pop afterwards....all of this on yearly release franchises like Madden and CoD....you'll begin to get the picture.

Oh, OK. Slippery slope. Move along.

[Rikriel]

Druscylla wrote...

I like the DLC. It keeps a game that otherwise becomes done and boring new and fresh. And it isn't like DLC and microtransactions are a new thing by any means or that its some new trick Bioware pulled out of its hat.

Agreed. But day 1 DLC does not make the game new or fresh, because you have it from the get go - so it's not that you play through the campaign, it gets old and then new content comes along, this is extra content with your first playthrough.

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a complete game without any DLC. You do not have to buy the DLC. What is the problem here?

Some of us are just worried that it won't be a complete game without the Prothean, since he might add important information or plot points that would otherwise leave the main plot worse off. It's not certain, but since he's a Prothean and so important to the lore it's got a few eyebrows raised.

[majorfalcon00]

rammsoldat wrote...

I dig DLC, it adds nice features to great games if done right. Undead nightmare for red ded redemption was fantastic for example. Just some companies have ****** poor execution of it.

Really enjoyed the Shale DLC in dragon age, the return to ostagar one was crap, can get hit and miss.

I would say the Undead Nightmare was more of an expansion.  I mean it was $30, and it was done completely right.  I wish BW would release their content in expansion packages like this.....but they get more profit from $10 DLC they can create it 3 weeks.

[Major Alenko]

What exactly is the problem? I thought this DLC was exclusive to the Collectors Edition, so why is everyone moaning now everyone has access to it?

[Rikriel]

Commodore Q wrote...

What exactly is the problem? I thought this DLC was exclusive to the Collectors Edition, so why is everyone moaning now everyone has access to it?

The problem is that they are denying potentially the full experience of the core game to those that don't pay extra.

[Skorvitch]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

I would say the Undead Nightmare was more of an expansion.  I mean it was $30, and it was done completely right.  I wish BW would release their content in expansion packages like this.....but they get more profit from $10 DLC they can create it 3 weeks.

Oh, they used to... a long, long time ago. They could even be classified as stand alone games, even.

[CitizenSnips]

Rikriel wrote...

Commodore Q wrote...

What exactly is the problem? I thought this DLC was exclusive to the Collectors Edition, so why is everyone moaning now everyone has access to it?

The problem is that they are denying potentially the full experience of the core game to those that don't pay extra.

That's like saying they are denying the entire experience of Mass Effect 3 to those who don't want to pay $60. They aren't denying you access to anything because there is a simple way to obtain it. Buy it.

[AkiKishi]

Commodore Q wrote...

What exactly is the problem? I thought this DLC was exclusive to the Collectors Edition, so why is everyone moaning now everyone has access to it?

No one knew it was a Prothean until a couple of days ago. Had it been some random N7 grunt or the like, no one would have likely cared either.

The reason people are up in arms about this is because it's a Prothean, a huge part of ME lore and history.Whoever thought including a Prothean as the CE freebie might be regretting it by now.

[SilentJ1987]

This whole issue with the Prothean is why I'm boycotting Mass Effect 3. Game developers need to learn that consumers will not tolerate this behavior

[Rikriel]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

That's like saying they are denying the entire experience of Mass Effect 3 to those who don't want to pay $60. They aren't denying you access to anything because there is a simple way to obtain it. Buy it.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I could buy the game if I stopped buying food for about a week or worked overtime. I don't think that's fair. It's like saying, "But you're not forbidden from buying a luxury condo, you just need the extra money. Better get started." I could, sure, but that doesn't mean I have to think it's a good thing if the DLC is affecting the main plot.

[CitizenSnips]

SilentJ1987 wrote...

This whole issue with the Prothean is why I'm boycotting Mass Effect 3. Game developers need to learn that consumers will not tolerate this behavior

OK.

[Il Divo]

BobSmith101 wrote...

The reason people are up in arms about this is because it's a Prothean, a huge part of ME lore and history.Whoever thought including a Prothean as the CE freebie might be regretting it by now.

Or patting himself on the back. For better or worse, this is one of those ideas that could go either away- people so disgusted that they refuse to touch the dlc/ME3-people who realize it's an exploit and don't care- and people who realize it's an exploit but lack the willpower to say no, because it's a Prothean. It's the nature of the beast.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 février 2012 - 10:53 .

[AtreiyaN7]

majorfalcon00 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

majorfalcon00 wrote...



Rift has a new dev studio iwht 1/4 of the budget of TOR, and yet it was more polished and fixed quicker than TOR has been.  Lets now discss copy pasted WoW abilities and how your wrong in fact.

TOR -> WoW

Lightning Strike - Lightning Bolt
Chain Lightning - Chain Lightning
Thunderig Blast - Lava Burst
Lightning Effusion - Elemental Focus
Forked Lightning - Elemental Overload
Polarity Shift - Elemental Mastery

Go look up each of the effects ofthose abilities.  No worries....I'll wait

I find the implication that WoW has the absolute lisence of types of MMO abilities to be -hilarious-

Way to dodge my argument....TOR copy the EXACT EFFECTS OF THE SPELLS from WoW......I'm sorry but people don't want the same game with a different skin.

Many games have abilities and classes that parallel each other. Should Stormcallers in RIFT not be allowed to use lightning at all because WoW has elemental shamans? Should the RIFT Pyromancers not be allowed to use fire because WoW mages have a fire spec?  Geez, they're all total rip-offs of WoW!!!! *sarcasm*

Having played RIFT and actually been Pyro on my mage, I can tell you that we (surprise) have a Fireball spell. I was also Warlock/Necro/Chloro on another toon. Surprise, we had pets just like WoW warlocks and assorted DoTs/debuffs that one could easily find parallels with in WoW. Things like the Fireball spell were not invented by WoW, seeing as many of the spells and concepts came from early fantasy novels and/or D&D rulebooks.

As far as WoW goes, mages have AoE, warlocks have AoE, and any mage class in any game has some kind of elemental AoE. Big whoop - WoW didn't invent this crap at all (see above about fantasy novels and D&D). I'm an enhancement shaman who recognizes the spells listed (including the elemental-specific ones), and they're not super-special incredibly unique concepts that never existed before WoW. I have four 85 toons - a shaman, a warlock, a mage and a death knight. The only class out of those four that has unique abilities/spells is the death knight.

P.S. Since Emperor Palpatine was zapping people with Force Lightning long before WoW, I'm allowed to make the equally inane argument that WoW ripped off Star Wars, right? *more sarcasm*

P.P.S. If you can't tell, I find your argument so very silly - Riou is right. You accusing him/her of dodging is laughable. It's so blindingly obvious that none of this stuff originated with WoW that I think he/she just didn't even need to bother.

P.P.P.S. Chain Lightning - straight from D&D land (D&D having been around a whole lot longer than WoW and where Blizzard probably got the idea for the spell): http://www.dandwiki....Chain_Lightning.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 22 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[CitizenSnips]

Rikriel wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

That's like saying they are denying the entire experience of Mass Effect 3 to those who don't want to pay $60. They aren't denying you access to anything because there is a simple way to obtain it. Buy it.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I could buy the game if I stopped buying food for about a week or worked overtime. I don't think that's fair. It's like saying, "But you're not forbidden from buying a luxury condo, you just need the extra money. Better get started." I could, sure, but that doesn't mean I have to think it's a good thing if the DLC is affecting the main plot.

I... what? Are you saying it's not fair that this game costs more money than you are willing to pay?

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I could buy the game if I stopped buying food for about a week or worked overtime. I don't think that's fair. It's
like saying, "But you're not forbidden from buying a luxury condo, you
just need the extra money. Better get started." I could, sure, but that
doesn't mean I have to think it's a good thing if the DLC is affecting
the main plot.

I agree. You aren't entitled to a luxury condo and if you want one you better have the money. Very simple. This is the way the world works.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I could buy the game if I stopped buying
food for about a week or worked overtime. I don't think that's fair. It's
like saying, "But you're not forbidden from buying a luxury condo, you
just need the extra money. Better get started." I could, sure, but that
doesn't mean I have to think it's a good thing if the DLC is affecting
the main plot.

No, you don't have to think this is a good thing. You are entitled to that opinion. You are also able to forgoe buying this game or just the DLC or you can buy it all. Your choice.


The bottom line is the developer made a product. That developer has every right to sell that product for whatever it wants. No one is entitled to that product for the price that THEY see is appropriate. By all means, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game/DLC but don't sit there and say that's it's unfair.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 22 février 2012 - 10:58 .