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[Xerxes52]

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

Ar7emis wrote...

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

Stop complainting about the DLC because no one is forcing you to buy the DLC.

Stop misinterpreting my argument. I'm not saying I'm being forced to do anything, I'm saying that because one might decide not to buy a DLC that's simply disc-locked content then that person is denied an essential part of the game and therefore loses out on the overall experience.

We lost the right of ownership of data on the discs a while ago.

Did you hear any of the arguments about the Day 1 DLC monstrosity that was Gears of War 3's DLC?

@bolded:

Which is lamented by many. While I do believe that the legal relationship between consumers and producers in the media (movies, music, games, etc) needs to be reexamined and made balanced, I won't open that can of worms here.

@italicized:

No argument, but there was near universal hatred and vitriol for Epic. I was on their forums when they exploded.

Which is perfectly understandable, I do not support disc locked content either, although I wouldn't stoop to the level of comparing Epic to National Socialists.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 22 février 2012 - 05:00 .

[Cambot96]

The gears 3 debacle was ridiculous it cost like 90 dollars for all the stupid weapon skins

Modifié par panchovswrex, 22 février 2012 - 04:54 .

[Daywalker315]

Farbautisonn wrote...

I generally like the DLC's. They arent (for ME2s case at least) high art and the pinnacle of storytelling (I thought the DAO DLC's were pretty good though) and I support the gaming studio buy buying entertainment for hours. I spend more money on a hefty weekend out on the town than I do a combinded Game+DLCs. A nice dinner, drinks, cabfare to and from venues... it adds up.

Aside from the pure "cost/benefit" analysis I support bioware. The storytelling company I like and have followed for more than a decade. I get more lore, more backdrop better insight. Im, if not happy, then content with the dlcs.

Take the DLC's for New Vegas. Loved em. Thought them to be essential and very entertaining, even if the final dlc dropped the ball for me and was kind of a "meh... cheated" experience. Especially compared to Dead Money.

Personally I thought the ME2 DLCs, particularly LotSB, had some very well-done stories and were very different than anything found in the main storyline. Arrival's story was cool too. Overlord was a little more "meh" for me but it was still fun enough the first time through. And I agree, in terms of hours of enjoyment per dollar, DLC isn't a bad investment. You'd spend more going to a movie.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 22 février 2012 - 04:55 .

[Mendelevosa]

Companies will stop selling DLC if customers stop buying them. It's that simple. Using DLC as an expansion to an already complete game is good, but cutting out parts of a game, just to sell later as DLC, is not. Also, I'm against expensive weapon DLC packs in any form, as they are obviously not worth as much as companies price them.

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 22 février 2012 - 05:02 .

[Daywalker315]

panchovswrex wrote...

The gears 3 debacle was ridiculous it cost like 90 dollars for all the stupid weapon skins

Yeah, I'll NEVER criticize BioWare for releasing characters and story content for $7-10 when Epic sells weapon skins for $10.

[happy_daiz]

I'm totally fine with Story DLC. If I enjoy the game, and want more of it, without having to wait until the next full release, what's the problem?

Of course, I also just spent $ on customizing my XBL avatar in N7 gear, so...

[Robhuzz]

I'll just drop this here.

Take a good look EA, there are ways to make good games, earn money and not exploit your customers all at the same time...

[RUDAL]

I mostly agree with OP but I would (am) blaming mainly people that buy the DLC's.
I myself am big fan of LotSB or Arrival or even Stolen Memories but none of those were released as day one DLC's which at least in a bit can be expected that they had some ideas that didn't make into full game for some reason other than just lack of time or were really thought of after the game release.

The way that companies are treating customers now made me to make decision that I wont buy any day one DLC's cause they should be included in full game and are made just to milk money.
I even went further and decided not to buy any BW/EA game as long as things like that will be practised.

I really like ME series and will buy ME3 just to see how it ends, after that - STOP!

[RUDAL]

Robhuzz wrote...

I'll just drop this here.

Take a good look EA, there are ways to make good games, earn money and not exploit your customers all at the same time...

With The Witcher 2 comes another thing. ALL pre-order DLC's were aviable to all for FREE in about month after release anyway so all who pre ordered the game had their fun with extra items but none of the game owners lost anything at the end.

But I guess BW/EA comes from poor country not like CD Projekt Red and they can't afford to do the same thing...

[AlexDemoIT]

Just don't buy them. There is nothing else you can do.
The only honest DLCs are Rockstar's ones,in this gen,imo.

[Matinek]

Now in ME3, ****s going worse, I want to biotic charge into Biowares ass with my leg in front and make them do the same to EA. What the **** is wrong with them? EA is not even worth co working with, and I can't remember a single good game they done GOOD to. 

[Turran]

The one thing which upsets me about this DLC, is that it is day 1 DLC. Which means that the people making the game were making this DLC aswell.. Which just seems like they want to squeeze some money out of us.

I wouldn't mind if this was just another weapons pack, or extra armor for Shepard/Crew. But it looks like it is a really REALLY big deal. It is the only ever Prothean, something that we have been following and guessing over since the first game with Vigil.
It's not another Kasumi, it's someone really important and looks like is a really important character through the story.
(Kinda feel it should of been free with copies of ME3, or just added to the game to begin with)

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

so now the BSN thinks it bad to expand a game to make it bigger and more fun...its official...this is official the WORST community ive met. i use to think valve and COD had the worst community....but this community is full of a bunch of ****ing wieners who find every opportunity they got to **** about something.. what happened to the days when this community looked forward to biowares games and stood by their side....bioware hasn't betrayed the community. the community has betrayed bioware.

[Al 75]

Just dropping this in here. Its been floating around the fourms but keeps getting shut down. Just a guy's well vocalized POV on this day 1 dlc. And just shows how ridiculous it really is.
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Al 75, 22 février 2012 - 06:33 .

[ODST 3]

I generally don't support b*tching here because most of it is idiotic but I strongly disapprove of day 1 DLC that is essential to the story and costs money. There is hope though, because with all the ****ing over that special machine gun in Battlefield 3 ended up working out. I've already got the CE preordered and I don't plan on changing it because I'm paying for what I was promised but I feel for those who aren't getting a CE and want to experience the full game. 10 bucks is bullsh*t. I support this fight.

[warriored12]

Everybody seriously calm down about freaking out over DLC! DLC is great, it gives the programmers more time to perfect every aspect of what they want and then include it later. Who cares if it's just 800 points or whatever, if you don't want it, don't pay for it and don't complain about it.

[Texhnolyze101]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

so now the BSN thinks it bad to expand a game to make it bigger and more fun...its official...this is official the WORST community ive met. i use to think valve and COD had the worst community....but this community is full of a bunch of ****ing wieners who find every opportunity they got to **** about something.. what happened to the days when this community looked forward to biowares games and stood by their side....bioware hasn't betrayed the community. the community has betrayed bioware.

50/50

[Dannybare]

Depends how its done.

If its like LotSB and created after the game has been released, then i'm OK with this, I haven't payed for its development and its my choice to buy it.

However if its like from Ashes, that's wrong, that was created during the development phase, cut off from the main game and sold separately.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Oilking72 wrote...

If you hate it and you buy it then you're part of the problem, aren't you? That's the only way on earth that companies will be deterred from making dlc. If no one buys it.

So you can use your obssessive compulsive personality as an excuse but the reality is you shouldn't buy it if you want to make any kind of point against dlc.

^This +1

[DaJe]

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

Although the concept is similar there is a big difference. Movies are kept as short as possible for cinema because the cinemas are on a time schedule every day and want to sell as many entrance cards as possible.
There is no limited time schedule for games. The player decides how long to play.

Another difference is that it is much easier and cheapter to buy a DVD or Blue Ray with all the content in one than with games such as Mass Effect 3.

To get the full game you have to jump through hoops, spend time and a lot of money to find all the pieces. It is an annoying and degrading activity and I'm clueless why people are still doing that.

The complete extended Lord of the Rings trillogy costs less than the full Mass Effect 3, while the movies cost more in production (which is an educated guess, I admit). Consider this giant gap and how readily gamers fall for this ripoff business.

[Wolverfrog]

 Good points, Chronarch. Spoken like a true Wankford.

[brevik2]

Sorry. I own me 1, 2 and da 1, 2, all NWN stuffs with multiple compies...

Why did you have to make this decision! Now I will never know how it all ends because I can't support a game with major story day 1 dlc.If you don't change your mind about this stupid idea, my collection of your games are hereby ended.

[DaJe]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

so now the BSN thinks it bad to expand a game to make it bigger and more fun...its official...this is official the WORST community ive met. i use to think valve and COD had the worst community....but this community is full of a bunch of ****ing wieners who find every opportunity they got to **** about something.. what happened to the days when this community looked forward to biowares games and stood by their side....bioware hasn't betrayed the community. the community has betrayed bioware.

You obviously missed the point. People are complaining that the game is made SMALLER and LESS FUN unless you are willing to spend time and a big ammount of money that is totally out of proportion for the full experience.

Everyone agrees good DLC that is being developed after the initial release, as the result of feedback and adding to the story is good.
Before throwing arround insults you should better look at what the discussion is about. But, let me guess, the title was all you saw. That's another great thing about BSN.

Modifié par DaJe, 22 février 2012 - 06:43 .

[J0HNL3I]

i dont mind dlc really, day one dlc?

[tch2296]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

People are not going to just stop buying dlc because there not only hooked there so use to every game having dlc that if a dev says they wont make dlc for a game those people automatic response is "GAME SUX!!11"

What does that even mean?