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[Descy_]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Descy_ wrote...
If somebody is confused about any part of prothean history, all I can say is: Should have played the games in order.
(Where did I say that they have a full history in that post?)

-I highlighted the central bit for you.  You claim that any part is readily available for undestanding. Geddit? If a segement is missing, then I cannot know all parts. As far as I know, most segments are missing.

  With your newfound knowledge of there being no complete history, instead of wasting your time complaining about something in the history that wasnt explained yet, go and do something worthwhile.

-How about this:

You learn how to communicate factual information to others instead of spewing crap that you cannot back up by facts and have to be force fed later? That would be just aces. Thanks.

No, I didnt say any part is readily available. I said if you were confused about any part, then you should play them.
I NEVER guaranteed that playing them would get you the information you were looking for.

[Freakiq]

Udindoctrinated wrote...
 I need to pay? Yeah, I'm already paying 50$, why should I pay more for something that was in the game and only got cut out because of ****in greed?

How do you know it was cut?

Most day1 DLC is content that was finished after tha game was sent to the printers.

Have any proof that this isn't what happened here?

[Raizo]

I was afraid that this would happen. It has been one of my biggest fears ever since this generation of consoles came out and sadly it looks like things will only get worse. the DLC issue surrounding ME3 has been a massive joke, I loved the article that said that it would cost over $850 to get all of ME3's DLC.

[Mr.Pink]

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

I agree!

Lair of the Shadow Broker soooo ruined Mass Effect 2, you don't even know!

This is actually out of curiosity, but how did it ruin the game? What downside was there?

[klxfx]

Mr.Pink wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

I agree!

Lair of the Shadow Broker soooo ruined Mass Effect 2, you don't even know!

This is actually out of curiosity, but how did it ruin the game? What downside was there?

I believe he's being sarcastic to prove a point

[Shifty Assassin]

I so agree with the OP. It was too far pulling out a character as important as a prothean squad member.

[Udindoctrinated]

Freakiq wrote...

Udindoctrinated wrote...
 I need to pay? Yeah, I'm already paying 50$, why should I pay more for something that was in the game and only got cut out because of ****in greed?

How do you know it was cut?

Most day1 DLC is content that was finished after tha game was sent to the printers.

Have any proof that this isn't what happened here?

There are files of the prothean in the demo, why should they be there if this wasn't just cut out? The same thing happened to Lair of the Shadow Broker, a lot of dialogues were in the game before the release.

[klxfx]

It's hard to take OP argument seriously when he uses the word "stupider". Kind of sets the tone for the topic. Ignorance on high volume.

[Kalms]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

DLC is a wonderful thing when used correctly and responsibly. Look at Bethesda with Oblivion and Skyrim - they didn't pull resources off the main title pre-launch to make some DLC. They just made the best game they could make right up until release, THEN and ONLY THEN did they start working on DLC for the game.

Here's the WRONG ways to do DLC : Pulling your crew off the main game before it's even finished to work on DLC. Stripping out content that clearly is supposed to be in the main game and holding it back for lame "Day 1 DLC" and to sell unlock codes later. Offering special DLC "pre-order" bonuses to a bunch of places without putting all the pre-order goodies in the collector edition of the game.

Agree 100%. I love the quality of BioWare DLC, but day one is just disrespectful.

[ENAKTSB]

The problem stems from the fact you are putting a price on something that has no value and is unlimited (a software use license).

Look at Alan Wake PC. It seems to be selling insanely well... Why? Because it's 20EUR, not 49.99.

ME3 in Poland costs only 33EUR. A shop 5m from our border sells the same game for 49EUR. This makes no sense at all...

DLCs are just an extension of this issue - the pricing's all wrong here. Something so trivial should cost 2-5$ tops. Full game, 20-25EUR tops. Or make it like metaboli.co.uk - just have a monthly subscription fee and give access to all the games there are - there you go, no piracy, no discussion about prices, no problems with DLCs. That's what megaupload wanted to do with music, but that industry is more aggresive and they killed it before they managed to get it going.

Modifié par ENAKTSB, 22 février 2012 - 08:51 .

[Farbautisonn]

Dont jerk me around to preserve your feeble ego when I have you nailed in black and white.

Descy_ wrote...
If somebody is confused about any part of prothean history, all I can say is: Should have played the games in order.

That implies that all parts are available. You might not have the cognitive aptitude for realizing the implications of using certain words, but I do.

[Raizo]

Mr.Pink wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

I agree!

Lair of the Shadow Broker soooo ruined Mass Effect 2, you don't even know!

This is actually out of curiosity, but how did it ruin the game? What downside was there?

I wouldn't say that LotSB ruined ME2 since it is widely considered by most ME fans to be some of the highest quality work they hav eever done but all the priase that LotSB got has obviously convinced Bioware that everyone loves Liara ( can't stand her ) and that cameos and that a fixed roster for certain missions so is the way to go for ME3 ( so much for freedom of choice, it's going to get very old having the same characters say and do the same things on the same missions on multiple playthroughs ). In my opinion LotSB may not have ruined ME but it is over rated and it will contribute to the decline of this franchise.

[vader da slayer]

crimzontearz wrote...

The ethical debate about DLC can go on forever but there is a very simple line drawn in the sand that makes everything that much more simple but everyone seems to ignore it

the only people thinking its an ethical debate are the ones that are deluted enough to think it is (cyclical arguement I know). truth is there isn't really anything unethical about it. car manufacturers (especially ones like GM, Ford, Honda) will make cars (Camaro's, Mustangs, Civics) and when they release a new form factor of the car (for the Mustang going from the 4.6 L V8 to the new Coyote 5.0L V8) they release the Ford Racing parts at the same time but you have to pay extra for them as they aren't installed in the car even though they were designed right along side of the car being designed. same thing goes for video games, the only reason it wasn't really done before is that the system to deliver it was never there to begin with and PC gaming (before people try to make this arguement) has never big enough to make it so that a DLC model like we see today would be profitable.

[Ar7emis]

klxfx wrote...

It's hard to take OP argument seriously when he uses the word "stupider". Kind of sets the tone for the topic. Ignorance on high volume.

It's funny because you're the only person in this 8 page discussion that's been bothered by that. A single grammatical mistake doesn't derail the entire argument; if you've got nothing to contribute then kindly leave. Doesn't matter to me, you're the one keeping this thread alive...

[Farbautisonn]

Ignorance = typo.

Wonder how the hell Edison ever made it.

[majorfalcon00]

I don't understand....this act would NOT bring in new customers. All it accomplishes for BW is pushing away potential customers (myself included) and milking more $ out of present customers.

That is the fact of the matter. There is no positive with this move. Its shady, and I'm sad to see BW go down as another blacklist dev like Capcom and Ubisoft.

[WeWant]

Sr.Prize wrote...

If you have a problem with things like dlc and redeem codes, blame the used game market. It's a double edge sword.

I can't... stand... the stupidity.... of this...

[Toshir]

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

What a stupid analogy. 

[Ar7emis]

Toshir wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

Deleted scenes on DVDs are ruining movies! They cut those scenes out of the film, and now I have to buy the special edition director's cut! Why didn't they release the half-finished scenes when the movie first came out!

What a stupid analogy. 

Don't worry, I don't think he's seen the Star Wars Blu-Ray collection yet...

[Toshir]

klxfx wrote...

Mr.Pink wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

I agree!

Lair of the Shadow Broker soooo ruined Mass Effect 2, you don't even know!

This is actually out of curiosity, but how did it ruin the game? What downside was there?

I believe he's being sarcastic to prove a point

What point? You mean that straw man above? That's not a point, it's a fallacy.

[Itkovian]

I wonder how long it will be before people get over the idea of micropayments, instead of buying one big expansion at a time.

And how long until people realize that the teams that work on DLC are put to work on the DLC specifically because the DLC will generate revenue. If it didn't, those team members would be off working on some other project (because if the main game's team can spare them, then they won't be working on the game anyway).

Itkovian

[stoicsentry2]

Darth Death wrote...

I've nothing against DLC if done right, but BioWare has proven they're not capable of that. My loyalty is based on the action/performance of a devs humility & quality of games. If any of these are lacking, then I'll simply move on to the next best thing. Some people here are so loyal, you wonder what their loyalty is based on.

This. They constantly shove broken and unfinished products out there. It's time to not buy the main game. That way they will get the point.

Anyone who buys the game at all is supporting Bioware's tactics... and shame on them.

[Descy_]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Dont jerk me around to preserve your feeble ego when I have you nailed in black and white.

Descy_ wrote...
If somebody is confused about any part of prothean history, all I can say is: Should have played the games in order.

That implies that all parts are available. You might not have the cognitive aptitude for realizing the implications of using certain words, but I do.

You really are stubborn, arent you?

For someone who has the "
cognitive aptitude for realizing the implications of using certain words ", you still dont understand it. Just because I say that if someone is confused about ******any part*******, then they should go play the first two games, DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT THE INFORMATION WILL BE THERE.

If I was saying that the information would be there, then it would have looked like: " If you're confused about any part of the history, then the information is in the past two games."

"Then they should play the past two games" =/= "The information is in the past two games".

[majorfalcon00]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I've nothing against DLC if done right, but BioWare has proven they're not capable of that. My loyalty is based on the action/performance of a devs humility & quality of games. If any of these are lacking, then I'll simply move on to the next best thing. Some people here are so loyal, you wonder what their loyalty is based on.

This. They constantly shove broken and unfinished products out there. It's time to not buy the main game. That way they will get the point.

Anyone who buys the game at all is supporting Bioware's tactics... and shame on them.

Agreed.  This is the time because they no longer hold the upper hand in the game industry.  Their writing and moralility system is so far below CD Project Red that its laughable.  This was their only advantage honestly.

[Skullheart]

Day 1 DLC's are like an excuse to sell an incomplete game.