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[Atakuma]

nelly21 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

This character should most definitely be free for everyone who buys a new copy of the game. Both collector's and regular editions. Give people incentive to buy new, do not try to gouge them for more. This is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

The incentive to buy the game new is the online pass already included. This is additional content. Additional content that will be included in your CE (which you paid more for).

As Phaedon said. No one can come up with a reason for why this dlc should be free other than: I want it.

It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

Modifié par Atakuma, 22 février 2012 - 04:40 .

[NobleUndertaker]

Zaeed and the Cerberus Network were free to those who bought a New copy of ME2, regular or special edition. if you buy a used game, the retailer gets all the money, no love for the Dev. making content available to everyone but with a charge if you didn't get the game new is a way for them to make extra money off used game sales

That said, depending on how much the CE character is like Zaeed or actually talks to you remains to be seen. if it IS just another Zaeed/ Kasumi that charges everyone but the CE holders 10$ then that IS a rip off. if its a full fledged character however, on the scale of Legion or Tali, then i think 10$ is a reasonable fee for those who did not buy CE

[Texhnolyze101]

Slidell505 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Bioware is eating fine stake and tossing money in the air at this very moment while you posted this.

And then anally penatrating their customers. Some people, like you, will take it with a smile, others, might not be too keen.

You assume i support such things

[essarr71]

It's childish to think anything involving a video game is despicable. Grow a pair and don't buy it.

I preordered a CE last summer, because I'm pretty confident Bioware will continue to entertain me. If you've got issues with them, you're an idiot for buying their products. If you can't afford it, reprioritize or budget better. We're talking about $10, not interest rates on a house.

[nelly21]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Because there buying a second hand copy that would not have the redeem-able code to get the dlc that the person who bought the new copy got that's why that's how they did it with zaeed and that's how they should have done this one its pathetic.

I asked why it should only apply to used copies. Why MUST the dlc be included in the new copies of games? It was designed to be day one dlc. Why do you believe it has to be?

[Dormin]

DLC extending games is fine I'll gladly pay for it, asking people to pay for a character that is likely to be very very important lore wise on day one is not.

[Phaedon]

Atakuma wrote...
It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

As opposed to content intentionally seperated because it doesn't fit, and just gets dumped, after development.

Dozens of GBs of earlier content are scraped or improved upon during release. What if some of them are sold seperately or even developed seperately? They could have also made the entire series ONE game. They didn't. So what?

[ironcreed2]

nelly21 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

This character should most definitely be free for everyone who buys a new copy of the game. Both collector's and regular editions. Give people incentive to buy new, do not try to gouge them for more. This is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

The incentive to buy the game new is the online pass already included. This is additional content. Additional content that will be included in your CE (which you paid more for).

As Phaedon said. No one can come up with a reason for why this dlc should be free other than: I want it.

How about the fact that the Protheans were established as an integral part of the story in Mass Effect 1. Is that not reason enough that this character should have just been included in the game, or at the very least, included with every new copy of the game?

[Dragoonlordz]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Speaking of entitlement issues.......

I see no entitlement in his post at all and hes right all new copy's should have the prothy dlc and obviously if you buy used you fork over 10$.

It does cross into entitlement, I'm not saying hes a bad person or what saying is unfair but it has crossed the line into that territory. Bioware and all developers sell a product, the content of that product is what you are entitled to and you leave feedback for. Any additional content even if created prior to retail is still not part of the product being sold therefore you are not entitled to it. However it would be much nicer and I agree that story and characters created prior to retail and going gold (prefer) are part of the the retail product itself. But there is exception for CE content which will describe below after bolded sentence.

This is a personal preference but I am not entitled to that content. It is something I dislike personally, not having specifically story components as part of retail product if created prior to going gold, but the walls are not coming down and I am not filled with rage of any kind, just disappointment. There is a seporate issue when comes with CE's however, this is less disappointing than say if did not come with any product and only DLC method to obtain. I think CE has right to have more product for their money as they are paying more, I do not think it is unfair to have some minor story and character content in that regard with only CE's but only if those who pay less can obtain such via DLC and not be excluded from them completely.

So in that regard I think it is okay on this specific case for reasons stated above. That is my conclusion I come to after putting some thought into it rather than reacting without putting any in. As for the character itself in this case we do not know how integral he or she is to the plot so cannot really make the claim it is at this stage.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 04:50 .

[Phaedon]

ironcreed2 wrote...
How about the fact that the Protheans were established as an integral part of the story in Mass Effect 1. Is that not reason enough that this character should have just been included in the game, or at the very least, included with every new copy of the game? 

Is the very specific Prothean we are talking about so integral to Mass Effect 3, that the original product doesn't make sense or isn't worth the 60 dollars?

[nelly21]

Atakuma wrote...

It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

It was designed to be sold as extra. It isn't required to complete the game. It's absence removes nothing from the game nor does it impede your ability to play it. Having it adds a little more and you can decide whether you want it or not.

Again, your reasoning is boiling down to: "I want it. I must be free."

[Mclouvins]

ironcreed2 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

This character should most definitely be free for everyone who buys a new copy of the game. Both collector's and regular editions. Give people incentive to buy new, do not try to gouge them for more. This is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

The incentive to buy the game new is the online pass already included. This is additional content. Additional content that will be included in your CE (which you paid more for).

As Phaedon said. No one can come up with a reason for why this dlc should be free other than: I want it.

How about the fact that the Protheans were established as an integral part of the story in Mass Effect 1. Is that not reason enough that this character should have just been included in the game, or at the very least, included with every new copy of the game?

The history of the Protheans was vital to the story, the existence of one remaining prothean does not mean he is integral to the plot.

[Arppis]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Yep, don't buy it.

I wouldn't if it felt like robbing. Everyone knew this was comming.

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Garrus Kavarian wrote...

Blame EA, not BioWare.

How come EA can publish good games that are not made by Bioware ?

What good games have EA published?

Medal
of Honor Airborne. Seriously, awesome game. TOO BAD they decided to
copy CoD right after it. That game was best MoH game around. Also, I
enjoyed Army of Two, even Merceranies 2.

I have never bought any EA published game nor a game from a company under EA other than bioware so i can't really comment on whether those games are good or not.

You'll never know till you try.

Also Crysis 1 & 2 were awesome. I generaly like FPS games that give me tools for tactical approach.

[RocketManSR2]

Atakuma wrote...
It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

Unless you can post proof of this, I call bulls***. There are some cases of a company doing this. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is a good example of a true ripoff. That game's disc wasn't anywhere near maxed out. 

[Saint Op]

I went to a fast food joint today and those greedy fools had fries right there on the menu already made & wanted me to pay more just to eat them.
Never mind the fact that all this other food was available & they made me buy all of it.
I got so mad I just left & went to the super market & went to buy a burger & fries...would you believe those SOBs made me to pay extra for mustard, ketchup,pickles and buns...screw that.

Yeah I know it's not the same...but it is..
A business can do whatever they want & you don't NEED to have mustard & they don't make you buy pickles...You choose to.
Just understand that already.

[Phaedon]

You guys must love Telltale games, by the way.

[Vieuxcruex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Because there buying a second hand copy that would not have the redeem-able code to get the dlc that the person who bought the new copy got that's why that's how they did it with zaeed and that's how they should have done this one its pathetic.

You as well have seemed to miss my point. FROM ASHES is not the me3 version of the Cerebus Network. The ALLIANCE Network is the me3 version of the Cerebus network. From ashes is the Me3 Version of Kasumi, not Zaeed or Firewalker.

Multiplayer is the me3 version of firewalker, and instead of getting 1 character for your 1200+ points, your actually getting 6+ and the ablitiy to play with your friends all around the world. Your also getting whatever preorder bonus's you decided to pay for.

[Texhnolyze101]

nelly21 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Because there buying a second hand copy that would not have the redeem-able code to get the dlc that the person who bought the new copy got that's why that's how they did it with zaeed and that's how they should have done this one its pathetic.

I asked why it should only apply to used copies. Why MUST the dlc be included in the new copies of games? It was designed to be day one dlc. Why do you believe it has to be?

Because the content is already on the damn disc have you not heard what the prothean sounds like this stuff was taken from the demo in other words content intentionlly taken out to sell.

[Blarty]

Atakuma wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

This character should most definitely be free for everyone who buys a new copy of the game. Both collector's and regular editions. Give people incentive to buy new, do not try to gouge them for more. This is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

The incentive to buy the game new is the online pass already included. This is additional content. Additional content that will be included in your CE (which you paid more for).

As Phaedon said. No one can come up with a reason for why this dlc should be free other than: I want it.

It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

How long do you think it takes to write, design, develop and test DLC for a game, not just this game but any game on this generation of platforms? Do you think they start this process off after a game is released, what about when it goes for final QA, what about discerning the resources and schedules of the people who will be developing both the main game and any other areas such as DLC or even the multiplayer aspect? 

The basic fact is this stuff takes time, and each section will be budgeted accordingly... perhaps this DLC was ready for a December release, and if the game had come out, as originally planned last year, you wouldn't be making such an issue out of it, hey perhaps this DLC was written as a side project in case investigations into the multiplayer proved fruitless and therefore this would have stepped in as the online pass/Alliance Network DLC.

[Texhnolyze101]

Vieuxcruex wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Because there buying a second hand copy that would not have the redeem-able code to get the dlc that the person who bought the new copy got that's why that's how they did it with zaeed and that's how they should have done this one its pathetic.

You as well have seemed to miss my point. FROM ASHES is not the me3 version of the Cerebus Network. The ALLIANCE Network is the me3 version of the Cerebus network. From ashes is the Me3 Version of Kasumi, not Zaeed or Firewalker.

Multiplayer is the me3 version of firewalker, and instead of getting 1 character for your 1200+ points, your actually getting 6+ and the ablitiy to play with your friends all around the world. Your also getting whatever preorder bonus's you decided to pay for.

I don't care about MP so i really don't see that as an incentive to wan't to buy new at all.

[RocketManSR2]

A few sound bites is far from the full meal deal. Another statement based on assumptions.

[Saint Op]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Because there buying a second hand copy that would not have the redeem-able code to get the dlc that the person who bought the new copy got that's why that's how they did it with zaeed and that's how they should have done this one its pathetic.

I asked why it should only apply to used copies. Why MUST the dlc be included in the new copies of games? It was designed to be day one dlc. Why do you believe it has to be?

Because the content is already on the damn disc have you not heard what the prothean sounds like this stuff was taken from the demo in other words content intentionlly taken out to sell.

Damn so like how there is a Extended version of a movie or a directors cut that you pay more for...unbefrickenleavable...I know they didnt go bad and film extra the greedy suckafish... 

[Blarty]

Dormin wrote...

DLC extending games is fine I'll gladly pay for it, asking people to pay for a character that is likely to be very very important lore wise on day one is not.

There are some that believe Kasumi's grey-box may be very important lore-wise as well

[Atakuma]

Phaedon wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

As opposed to content intentionally seperated because it doesn't fit, and just gets dumped, after development.

Dozens of GBs of earlier content are scraped or improved upon during release. What if some of them are sold seperately or even developed seperately? They could have also made the entire series ONE game. They didn't. So what?

This isn't something that got scrapped and reapropriated into dlc. They made this with the intention of selling it instead of including it in the game, this is extortion.

[ironcreed2]

essarr71 wrote...

It's childish to think anything involving a video game is despicable. Grow a pair and don't buy it.

I preordered a CE last summer, because I'm pretty confident Bioware will continue to entertain me. If you've got issues with them, you're an idiot for buying their products. If you can't afford it, reprioritize or budget better. We're talking about $10, not interest rates on a house.

It is not the $10.00, it is the principle. Where I come from, not having principles is also deemed childish. I could easily afford it and I do indeed have the game pre-ordered. I simply feel that this is day one milkage on a character who should have been a part of the game to begin with.