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[Vieuxcruex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Because the content is already on the damn disc have you not heard what the prothean sounds like this stuff was taken from the demo in other words content intentionlly taken out to sell.

I'm curious, how excatly did they manage to add 600+ megabites of data for just that single character in a demo that was only 1.5 gigs, yet managed to have three other squadmates with you at that stage. I mean, if all 600+ megabytes was just for the protherian, then Garrus and Liara alone must have increased the size to 2.1 gigs. Then with Wrex and Anderson, not to mention data for both ashley and Kaide, that must have increased the demo unto 4.2 gigs

[Saint Op]

ironcreed2 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

It's childish to think anything involving a video game is despicable. Grow a pair and don't buy it.

I preordered a CE last summer, because I'm pretty confident Bioware will continue to entertain me. If you've got issues with them, you're an idiot for buying their products. If you can't afford it, reprioritize or budget better. We're talking about $10, not interest rates on a house.

It is not the $10.00, it is the principle. Where I come from, not having principles is also deemed childish. I could easily afford it and I do indeed have the game pre-ordered. I simply feel that this is day one milkage on a character who should have been a part of the game to begin with.

Bottom line is this is the most fan freindly way or getting more profit....movies raise ticket prices...the cost of every good or service has gone up in the last 20 years yet video games stayed the same..the cost to make them has gone up 3 or 4x the amount.
At least you get a choice...we don't get the choice to pay the price from 20 years ago for anything else..

[Dragoonlordz]

ironcreed2 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

It's childish to think anything involving a video game is despicable. Grow a pair and don't buy it.

I preordered a CE last summer, because I'm pretty confident Bioware will continue to entertain me. If you've got issues with them, you're an idiot for buying their products. If you can't afford it, reprioritize or budget better. We're talking about $10, not interest rates on a house.

It is not the $10.00, it is the principle. Where I come from, not having principles is also deemed childish. I could easily afford it and I do indeed have the game pre-ordered. I simply feel that this is day one milkage on a character who should have been a part of the game to begin with.

"Should" is subjective and personal. Would be nice would be more inline but this is not day one DLC for all, it is content to make the CE worth paying more for and not excluding the rest of which can pay that little bit extra to obtain what the ones who paid more for get.

[nelly21]

Atakuma wrote...

 They made this with the intention of selling it instead of including it in the game, this is extortion.

No it isn't. You are not forced to buy it. Do you even know what extortion means?

[Il Divo]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Well i have the CE reserved so it doesn't affect me but wanting people to pay 10$ for a dlc that in fact SHOULD be in the new copy is wrong period they way they handled the zaeed thing imo was perfect this is just dumb.

It's not going to be in the new copy merely because people want it in the new copy. That's not how a business functions. The entitlement is pretty hilarious.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 février 2012 - 04:58 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Blarty wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

This character should most definitely be free for everyone who buys a new copy of the game. Both collector's and regular editions. Give people incentive to buy new, do not try to gouge them for more. This is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

The incentive to buy the game new is the online pass already included. This is additional content. Additional content that will be included in your CE (which you paid more for).

As Phaedon said. No one can come up with a reason for why this dlc should be free other than: I want it.

It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

How long do you think it takes to write, design, develop and test DLC for a game, not just this game but any game on this generation of platforms? Do you think they start this process off after a game is released, what about when it goes for final QA, what about discerning the resources and schedules of the people who will be developing both the main game and any other areas such as DLC or even the multiplayer aspect? 

The basic fact is this stuff takes time, and each section will be budgeted accordingly... perhaps this DLC was ready for a December release, and if the game had come out, as originally planned last year, you wouldn't be making such an issue out of it, hey perhaps this DLC was written as a side project in case investigations into the multiplayer proved fruitless and therefore this would have stepped in as the online pass/Alliance Network DLC.

Im pretty sure the content was cut this is EA people the same EA who told PC gamers they weren't going to sell them dead space 2 dlc and but sell it to console gamers but the funny thing is all that dlc was already on the disc on both the console versions and PC versions so they locked out content than told the PC half of ther fanbase they won't be getting something already on there disc that they payed for.

[AkiKishi]

Appologies if I already posted this (two similiar threads).

CE's should contain "toys" and other collectables not DLC.

I've got a Troll from WitN but my game is the same as anyone elses.

[Vieuxcruex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I don't care about MP so i really don't see that as an incentive to wan't to buy new at all.

Then your showing your inherent Bias. As much as some might not like it, there are many who would buy the game simply for the multiplayer portion, so they can have a good time with their friends. There might be many new players to the game who don't know what a protheran is, and thus don't particularly care about the version of a squadmate.

Besides, if I remember correctly, there is a certain other SPOILER squadmate available according to rumor and such, one that many wouldn't quite expect. If anything, I prefer to think of THAT squadmate as the version of Zaeed, rather then the Protheran. Only this time, since the game was pushed back, they had the time to finish them, rather then having to add that stuff in later through the Alliance Network.

[Texhnolyze101]

Il Divo wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Well i have the CE reserved so it doesn't affect me but wanting people to pay 10$ for a dlc that in fact SHOULD be in the new copy is wrong period they way they handled the zaeed thing imo was perfect this is just dumb.

It's not going to be in the new copy merely because people want it in the new copy. That's not how a business fucntions. The entitlement is pretty hilarious.

How is it entitlement to want something intentionally cut from the game your buying just because there greedy?

[nelly21]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Im pretty sure the content was cut this is EA people the same EA who told PC gamers they weren't going to sell them dead space 2 dlc and but sell it to console gamers but the funny thing is all that dlc was already on the disc on both the console versions and PC versions so they locked out content than told the PC half of ther fanbase they won't be getting something already on there disc that they payed for.

Now we're getting to the root of your argument.

[Blarty]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Blarty wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

This character should most definitely be free for everyone who buys a new copy of the game. Both collector's and regular editions. Give people incentive to buy new, do not try to gouge them for more. This is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

The incentive to buy the game new is the online pass already included. This is additional content. Additional content that will be included in your CE (which you paid more for).

As Phaedon said. No one can come up with a reason for why this dlc should be free other than: I want it.

It was content that was intentionally seperated from the main game to be sold as an "extra", I think that qualifies as a good reason.

How long do you think it takes to write, design, develop and test DLC for a game, not just this game but any game on this generation of platforms? Do you think they start this process off after a game is released, what about when it goes for final QA, what about discerning the resources and schedules of the people who will be developing both the main game and any other areas such as DLC or even the multiplayer aspect? 

The basic fact is this stuff takes time, and each section will be budgeted accordingly... perhaps this DLC was ready for a December release, and if the game had come out, as originally planned last year, you wouldn't be making such an issue out of it, hey perhaps this DLC was written as a side project in case investigations into the multiplayer proved fruitless and therefore this would have stepped in as the online pass/Alliance Network DLC.

Im pretty sure the content was cut this is EA people the same EA who told PC gamers they weren't going to sell them dead space 2 dlc and but sell it to console gamers but the funny thing is all that dlc was already on the disc on both the console versions and PC versions so they locked out content than told the PC half of ther fanbase they won't be getting something already on there disc that they payed for.

This may well be true - but the From Dust DLC isn't on the disc it is a separate 600Mb download, the multiplayer portion is on disc and it is the multiplayer that is the online pass equivalent.

[Texhnolyze101]

nelly21 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Im pretty sure the content was cut this is EA people the same EA who told PC gamers they weren't going to sell them dead space 2 dlc and but sell it to console gamers but the funny thing is all that dlc was already on the disc on both the console versions and PC versions so they locked out content than told the PC half of ther fanbase they won't be getting something already on there disc that they payed for.

Now we're getting to the root of your argument.

As a note im a console gamer and i just find that dead space 2 thing pretty disgusting.

[Razorsedge820]

Cry moar plox.

[Atakuma]

nelly21 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

 They made this with the intention of selling it instead of including it in the game, this is extortion.

No it isn't. You are not forced to buy it. Do you even know what extortion means?

Do you? I used the word correctly.

[LiZaRdChaSE]

All these people keep complaining that they are getting dumped on so they are going to post that they are cutting ties to the company that they invested in.
your not being forced to buy anything.
well if you were such an epic fan to begin with, you should have pre-ordered the Collectors Edition.
I mean you are saying that your such great fans of the franchise?
right?

[essarr71]

ironcreed2 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

It's childish to think anything involving a video game is despicable. Grow a pair and don't buy it.

I preordered a CE last summer, because I'm pretty confident Bioware will continue to entertain me. If you've got issues with them, you're an idiot for buying their products. If you can't afford it, reprioritize or budget better. We're talking about $10, not interest rates on a house.

It is not the $10.00, it is the principle. Where I come from, not having principles is also deemed childish. I could easily afford it and I do indeed have the game pre-ordered. I simply feel that this is day one milkage on a character who should have been a part of the game to begin with.

Don't buy Bioware products if you feel this way, then.  That's the point of all of it. Complaining/writing a "letter" in a forum isn't going to turn any heads or change any business strat if people still pony up. That's a principle, too. 

[ironcreed2]

Phaedon wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...
How about the fact that the Protheans were established as an integral part of the story in Mass Effect 1. Is that not reason enough that this character should have just been included in the game, or at the very least, included with every new copy of the game? 

Is the very specific Prothean we are talking about so integral to Mass Effect 3, that the original product doesn't make sense or isn't worth the 60 dollars?

I simply think the fact that he is a Prothean carries enough weight that he should have just been a part of the game. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, I am not here to whine, as I know die-hard fans will defend paying more for day one DLC until the end of time. I just wanted to say that there are those of us who do not feel entitled for more, just entitled to what easily could have (and in the old days very much would have) just been a part of the game.

In summary, this "pay more for this, pay a little more for that" day one DLC appraoch is simply getting ridiculous for some of us. That is all I am going to say on the matter here. Enjoy your Prothean, as well as the game. I'll just enjoy the game without it as a matter of principle.

[RocketManSR2]

You are getting a full game for your $60. People are so focused on the DLC that you can't see that, apparently. Wanting something like the (not so) secret character & mission on top of that for free is entitlement, plain and simple. Greed shows itself on both ends of the deal, seller and consumer alike.

[AkiKishi]

ironcreed2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...
How about the fact that the Protheans were established as an integral part of the story in Mass Effect 1. Is that not reason enough that this character should have just been included in the game, or at the very least, included with every new copy of the game? 

Is the very specific Prothean we are talking about so integral to Mass Effect 3, that the original product doesn't make sense or isn't worth the 60 dollars?

I simply think the fact that he is a Prothean carries enough weight that he should have just been a part of the game. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, I am not here to whine, as I know die-hard fans will defend paying more for day one DLC until the end of time. I just wanted to say that there are those of us who do not feel entitled for more, just entitled to what easily could have (and in the old days very much would have) just been a part of the game.

In summary, this "pay more for this, pay a little more for that" day one DLC appraoch is simply getting ridiculous for some of us. That is all I am going to say on the matter here. Enjoy your Prothean, as well as the game. I'll just enjoy the game without it as a matter of principle.

I agree with that. A random merc dude is one thing but the Protheans have always been tied to the plot of ME.

[Thoth_Amon]

Bioware: $10-15 for one character.

CDProjektRed: New characters, new locations and more for free.

[Abirn]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Speaking of entitlement issues.......

Oh FFS.  Expectations and standards are not entitlement issues.

[Beefcake9000]

ironcreed2 wrote...

How about the fact that the Protheans were established as an integral part of the story in Mass Effect 1. Is that not reason enough that this character should have just been included in the game, or at the very least, included with every new copy of the game?

This! If this was just 'generic soldier squadmate' DLC people wouldn't be getting so pissy. This character, if you're a fan of the series, since ME1, ME2, the DLCs, the books etc etc, is kind of a big deal.

This isn't another Zaaed or Kasumi. Or at least I hope it isn't. I loved those characters, but I can see how you can play the game without them present. This 'optional' character on the other hand, has major lore implications and you would expect - a signifcant impact on ME3.

Or at least he should. I really don't see how what may be the last surviving Prothean could not be considered important enough to be included as standard. I guess I'll find out when I get the game, because as a fan of the series, I don't want to miss out on this addition to ME lore. But I don't like feeling forced into paying extra for something like this, something that in lore terms is a bigger deal than just a merc or a thief - and Zaaed, let's not forget, was free for buying new, not used.

Sure, you can argue that ultimately, the choice is on us to buy or not to buy - but that doesn't mean we can't gripe about it   It also doesn't make it right!

[Il Divo]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

How is it entitlement to want something intentionally cut from the game your buying just because there greedy?

Because it's their product, to do what they want with, including establishing terms of sale. You're the consumer; you vote with your wallet. If you go to a market and find they are doing a two for one sale on apples, you don't get to complain that you're entitled to that same deal for the rest of your life, merely because they changed the service. You either accept the terms offered to you, or you don't.

Likewise here. Buy the character. Or don't. 

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 février 2012 - 05:05 .

[LiZaRdChaSE]

essarr71 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

It's childish to think anything involving a video game is despicable. Grow a pair and don't buy it.

I preordered a CE last summer, because I'm pretty confident Bioware will continue to entertain me. If you've got issues with them, you're an idiot for buying their products. If you can't afford it, reprioritize or budget better. We're talking about $10, not interest rates on a house.

It is not the $10.00, it is the principle. Where I come from, not having principles is also deemed childish. I could easily afford it and I do indeed have the game pre-ordered. I simply feel that this is day one milkage on a character who should have been a part of the game to begin with.

Don't buy Bioware products if you feel this way, then.  That's the point of all of it. Complaining/writing a "letter" in a forum isn't going to turn any heads or change any business strat if people still pony up. That's a principle, too. 

^This

plus if your think your such an important and large fan, OP, you chould have pre-order the CE
your not being forced to buy anything.

Modifié par LiZaRdChaSE, 22 février 2012 - 05:06 .