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Atakuma wrote...

Do you? I used the word correctly.


From Webster's

Extort: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power : wring; also : to gain especially by ingenuity or compelling argument

Is EA forcing you to buy it? Are we being intimidated to buy it? Are they doing something illegal? No.

So they are not extorting anyone.

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Thoth_Amon wrote...

Bioware: $10-15 for one character.

CDProjektRed: New characters, new locations and more for free.


Yes indeed, I am very much looking forward to The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition. Puts things into perspective, does it not?

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Bonus character? DLC? did I miss something?? what bonus character? I preordered the collectors edition. I know I am supposed to get some gear and looks for squadys and a mech dog...but I havent heard or seen anything about a bonus DLC character? can someone point me in the right direction? thanks!

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Not having the Prothean squadmate does not affect your ability to complete the game at any level, therefore, within the context of the game you do not REQUIRE it, just because you WANT it doesn't mean that to by not being able to implicitly play it will leave you with a broken game experience.

Of course people feel that it is important from a Lore perspective, but that lore is based on Prothean civilization of 50000 years ago, and yes, having the character may fill in some blanks regarding the Protheans but in a similar fashion no-one would know about Grey boxes, if it weren't for Kasumi

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nelly21 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you? I used the word correctly.


From Webster's

Extort: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power : wring; also : to gain especially by ingenuity or compelling argument

Is EA forcing you to buy it? Are we being intimidated to buy it? Are they doing something illegal? No.

So they are not extorting anyone.


Pwned

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Il Divo wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

How is it entitlement to want something intentionally cut from the game your buying just because there greedy?


Because it's their product, to do what they want with, including establishing terms of sale. You're the consumer; you vote with your wallet. If you go to a market and find they are doing a two for one sale on apples, you don't get to complain that you're entitled to that same deal for the rest of your life, merely because they changed the service. You either accept the terms offered to you, or you don't.

Likewise here. Buy the character. Or don't. 


I honestly hope nobody actually buys the dlc than so it will send a message but unfortunately that will not happen.

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forget it

Modifié par Atakuma, 22 février 2012 - 05:12 .


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101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I honestly hope nobody actually buys the dlc than so it will send a message but unfortunately that will not happen.


Always a possibility. Admittedly a very difficult one to pull off, since boycotts tend to require either substantial organization or for everyone to hate the product on offer (in this case, the dlc), but you never know.

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Memo to Bioware:

In future, please release DLC 8 days after release, and tell people it only took you a week to write it.

Regards,

BSN

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ironcreed2 wrote...

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How about the fact that the Protheans were established as an integral part of the story in Mass Effect 1. Is that not reason enough that this character should have just been included in the game, or at the very least, included with every new copy of the game? 

Is the very specific Prothean we are talking about so integral to Mass Effect 3, that the original product doesn't make sense or isn't worth the 60 dollars?


I simply think the fact that he is a Prothean carries enough weight that he should have just been a part of the game. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, I am not here to whine, as I know die-hard fans will defend paying more for day one DLC until the end of time. I just wanted to say that there are those of us who do not feel entitled for more, just entitled to what easily could have (and in the old days very much would have) just been a part of the game.

In summary, this "pay more for this, pay a little more for that" day one DLC appraoch is simply getting ridiculous for some of us. That is all I am going to say on the matter here. Enjoy your Prothean, as well as the game. I'll just enjoy the game without it as a matter of principle.


You are not entitled to anything more than what is advertised and sold as the product offered of which you can chose to buy. It's not people being die hard fans of DLC. If the content was ready to go prior to retail and not availble on either CE or standard edition I may be more in agreement on would of been "nicer" but (not entitled to) having it available inside one of the products being sold, but this is CE content and you have the same option of gaining that content as those with the CE. In this case I think it is more okay than former case just mentioned. No-one here knows how integral the content is to the main game as no-one here has it, if it was integral to the story then it would be needed in both editions but this is not the case so goes against that assumption. It all comes down to what you would like as personal preference so throwing around entitlement is not going to win you over many here. Hell, I want DLC content made for the missing six months and trial (starting from time on ship at end of ME2) which I feel is lacking in my personal preference from beginning of tha game but I am not entitled to it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 05:15 .


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All you people ****ing need to go play capcom games and chill the **** out. You wanna get nickle and dimed? Play any recent capcom fighter.

There is nothing wrong with this. If you want him buy him, if you don't, then don't. I got my collectors edition just cause they said you'd get and extra character and I wanted him. it's the way the world is now. All sorts of industries do this, from food to electronics.

Deal with it.

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It's a collectors edition bonus. Did people flip out like this over Shale? Which was actually $15!

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It just boggles my mind on how a PROTHEAN squadmate, A FREAKING PROTHEAN, one of the most important races in the Mass Effect lore, is being exclusive to the CE owners and being in the form of DLC for the other customers. Why cant they make Vega a DLC character instead?

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Atakuma wrote...

the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.


Thank you for agreeing with me.

They have not commited a crime. Ergo, not extortion.Posted Image

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Mike Shepard wrote...

It's a collectors edition bonus. Did people flip out like this over Shale? Which was actually $15!

Shale was free for any new purchase, this is not.

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Crafting games is expensive and it won't be getting cheaper. Quite the opposite. That next gen of consoles coming up? Expect dev costs to jump by quite a bit. When it comes down to it, devs will do whatever they have to to keep their families fed. Some are rich execs, true, but most don't make anymore that you do. If that means selling CE DLC separately to non-CE purchasers for an extra $10, they'll do it.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 22 février 2012 - 05:17 .


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Blarty wrote...

Not having the Prothean squadmate does not affect your ability to complete the game at any level, therefore, within the context of the game you do not REQUIRE it, just because you WANT it doesn't mean that to by not being able to implicitly play it will leave you with a broken game experience.

Of course people feel that it is important from a Lore perspective, but that lore is based on Prothean civilization of 50000 years ago, and yes, having the character may fill in some blanks regarding the Protheans but in a similar fashion no-one would know about Grey boxes, if it weren't for Kasumi


Thank you for helping to make the gaming industry an even slimier place.  It's this awful line of thinking that is only going to further games getting chopped up and sold piece by piece.  Our only cause of action is to support quality devs who don't price gouge their games before they're even released.

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Doozie80 wrote...

It just boggles my mind on how a PROTHEAN squadmate, A FREAKING PROTHEAN, one of the most important races in the Mass Effect lore, is being exclusive to the CE owners and being in the form of DLC for the other customers. Why cant they make Vega a DLC character instead?


They could have. They decided not to. As it is their intellectual property, they have that right.

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If I pay 60$ for the game, (which I am only doing simply for the multiplayer this time around, sadly.) I expect to get all the content you made for it, especially on PC. Instead I have to get the game through other methods so I can play all the content that you made for it on day one.

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Atakuma wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

It's a collectors edition bonus. Did people flip out like this over Shale? Which was actually $15!

Shale was free for any new purchase, this is not.


As has been said numerous times before - the multiplayer component of ME3 is free for any new purchase but will need purchasing for pre-owned, so in this instance, the multiplayer component is 'Shale' or Cerberus Network from ME2 - the Prothean DLC is nothing to do with this status quo

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RocketManSR2 wrote...

Crafting games is expensive and it won't be getting cheaper. Quite the opposite. Oh, and that next gen of consoles coming up? Expect dev costs to jump by quite a bit. When it comes down to it, devs will do whatever they have to to keep their families fed. Some are rich execs, true, but most don't make anymore that you do. If that means selling CE DLC separately to non-CE purchasers for an extra $10, they'll do it.

Bioware is not some starving artist, they are part of a billion dollar corporation.

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Mike Shepard wrote...

It's a collectors edition bonus. Did people flip out like this over Shale? Which was actually $15!


Shale/Wardens keep came free with the standard game.

I've got nothing devs/publishers doing that it's an incentive to buy new over used. But when you have so many "packs" and a lack of CE's I get a bit cynical about the whole thing.

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ironcreed2 wrote...

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It's childish to think anything involving a video game is despicable. Grow a pair and don't buy it.

I preordered a CE last summer, because I'm pretty confident Bioware will continue to entertain me. If you've got issues with them, you're an idiot for buying their products. If you can't afford it, reprioritize or budget better. We're talking about $10, not interest rates on a house.


It is not the $10.00, it is the principle. Where I come from, not having principles is also deemed childish. I could easily afford it and I do indeed have the game pre-ordered. I simply feel that this is day one milkage on a character who should have been a part of the game to begin with.



But the Prothean was likely only finished after the disc had been finalized and shipped off to the printers.

Would you feel better if they waited 3 months before releasing this DLC?

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Blarty wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

It's a collectors edition bonus. Did people flip out like this over Shale? Which was actually $15!

Shale was free for any new purchase, this is not.


As has been said numerous times before - the multiplayer component of ME3 is free for any new purchase but will need purchasing for pre-owned, so in this instance, the multiplayer component is 'Shale' or Cerberus Network from ME2 - the Prothean DLC is nothing to do with this status quo

Why doesn't it though? other than wanting more money there's no reason the Prothean shouldn't be part of the online pass.

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Atakuma wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

It's a collectors edition bonus. Did people flip out like this over Shale? Which was actually $15!

Shale was free for any new purchase, this is not.


Fair point. But it is a Collectors Edition bonus. I don't like it any more than you do but I just want to understand where the hate is coming from. For all anyone who hasn't read the leaks knows (that includes me) then he might be a NPC for people without the DLC where as people with it can recruit him. That is my theory. It makes some sense. I've seen it done before in other video games where a character that is normally an NPC becomes recruitable if you have DLC installed. can't for the life of me remember the name but I know I've seen it.